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Clarifying ID rules

M

mjlarochelle

I have been in contact with the CRTC and Industry Canada to clarify what the rules are with regards to station identification in Canada. The following is an exerpt from Section 7.3.1 of Industry Canada's Broadcasting Procedures and Rules, from July 2004.

Pursuant to the Radiocommunication Regulations, section 22 and BETS-11, the holder of a Broadcasting Certificate shall identify by a voice announcement in English or French, giving the call sign by articulating each letter and number in the call sign, and the principal city or community that is served by the undertaking. For TV undertakings, the voice announcement may be replaced by a visual announcement of not less than three seconds in duration that identifies the call sign and the principal city or community that is served by the undertaking. The announcement is to be made every hour, on the hour. Where a program is of more than one hour in duration, the announcement shall be made within 10 minutes of the hour, except where it is necessary to retain the continuity of a program in its entirety without interruption, in which case the announcement may be made at the beginning and at the end of the program.

This follows with Section 7.3.2:

If a broadcasting undertaking is associated with a rebroadcasting undertaking that is unable to originate its own identification, the holder of the Broadcasting Certificate in respect to that rebroadcasting undertaking may comply with the requirements of Section 7.3.1 by having an arrangement between the rebroadcasting undertaking and the broadcasting undertaking wherein the broadcasting undertaking identifies the rebroadcasting undertaking at least once a day.

Care to comment, Calgary7News and CanadianRadioDude?

This means that most television stations across the country are breaking the rules. And what is gained?<P ID="signature">______________
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> Send for the Station Identification Police!
>
CRTC doesn't care anymore about anything. Send them an email letter, and they'll just find a creative excuse for not having to care, and type it up in an email response. Same with CAB and IC.


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"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
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> CRTC doesn't care anymore about anything. Send them an email
> letter, and they'll just find a creative excuse for not
> having to care, and type it up in an email response. Same
> with CAB and IC.
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...unless it involves Star Ray TV, or a company other than CTV, Global, CHUM, CBC, Rogers, or Quebecor.<P ID="signature">______________
From WNBC-TV New York this is Liiiiive at Fiiiiive!</P>
 
From the 'Flogging a Dead Horse' File...

> And what is gained?

Branding.

What is gained by running legal ids?

Nothing.
 
Re: Clarifying ID rules (i surrender)

*throws hands up*

Alright fine, you win. Every single freakin' television station in this country MUST give their call sign every hour of every day. And the CRTC should suspend the licence of every single one who's not complying.

there, happy? You got the response you wanted? Good. I hope the CRTC will finally buckle to your incessant whining about 3 or 4 letters which to 90% of the public means diddly squat.

I will put down $100 that you will buy a bottle of champagne to celebrate the moment television stations start IDing themselves again. And if I ever become fortunate to own a television station but not ID them every hour, I will definitely be expecting a letter from you.


> I have been in contact with the CRTC and Industry Canada to
> clarify what the rules are with regards to station
> identification in Canada. The following is an exerpt from
> Section 7.3.1 of Industry Canada's Broadcasting Procedures
> and Rules, from July 2004.
>
> Pursuant to the Radiocommunication Regulations, section 22
> and BETS-11, the holder of a Broadcasting Certificate shall
> identify by a voice announcement in English or French,
> giving the call sign by articulating each letter and number
> in the call sign, and the principal city or community that
> is served by the undertaking. For TV undertakings, the voice
> announcement may be replaced by a visual announcement of not
> less than three seconds in duration that identifies the call
> sign and the principal city or community that is served by
> the undertaking. The announcement is to be made every hour,
> on the hour. Where a program is of more than one hour in
> duration, the announcement shall be made within 10 minutes
> of the hour, except where it is necessary to retain the
> continuity of a program in its entirety without
> interruption, in which case the announcement may be made at
> the beginning and at the end of the program.
>
> This follows with Section 7.3.2:
>
> If a broadcasting undertaking is associated with a
> rebroadcasting undertaking that is unable to originate its
> own identification, the holder of the Broadcasting
> Certificate in respect to that rebroadcasting undertaking
> may comply with the requirements of Section 7.3.1 by having
> an arrangement between the rebroadcasting undertaking and
> the broadcasting undertaking wherein the broadcasting
> undertaking identifies the rebroadcasting undertaking at
> least once a day.
>
> Care to comment, Calgary7News and CanadianRadioDude?
>
> This means that most television stations across the country
> are breaking the rules. And what is gained?
>
 
> > CRTC doesn't care anymore about anything. Send them an
> email
> > letter, and they'll just find a creative excuse for not
> > having to care, and type it up in an email response. Same
> > with CAB and IC.
> ----------
> ...unless it involves Star Ray TV, or a company other than
> CTV, Global, CHUM, CBC, Rogers, or Quebecor.
>
Or even Corus for that matter...? (Chex tv Durham, to name one channel)

Star ray tv (fair or not) has no actual licence. I have yet to see ANY company with a licence right now get any dicipline from CRTC, and if they are...what's it for, and why them? What did the "Big guys" do differently?<P ID="signature">______________
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> Star ray tv (fair or not) has no actual licence. I have yet
> to see ANY company with a licence right now get any
> dicipline from CRTC, and if they are...what's it for, and
> why them? What did the "Big guys" do differently?
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Not necessarily television stations, but the CRTC has been known to discipline radio stations. Corus got disciplined for its London-ization of CKDK-FM Woodstock, after Standard Radio submitted a complaint to the CRTC. And remember, Standard has been around a lot longer than Corus.

Perhaps if CBC submitted a complaint against CTV, the CRTC might take it seriously.<P ID="signature">______________
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> And remember, Standard has been around a lot longer than Corus.
>
> Perhaps if CBC submitted a complaint against CTV, the CRTC
> might take it seriously.
>
Yes. Corus was Shaw radio before, but even when Shaw bragged about owning only 11 stations quite a while back, Standard was around alot longer.
Why should how long a business has been around have anything to do with obeying and disobeying regulation though? Regulation is regulation period.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Why should how long a business has been around have anything
> to do with obeying and disobeying regulation though?
> Regulation is regulation period.
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I agree with you there; the rules should apply to everyone. But companies like Rogers and Global have friends in high places, and with a good relationship with the CRTC and Industry Canada, they can enjoy some perks.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Why should how long a business has been around have
> anything
> > to do with obeying and disobeying regulation though?
> > Regulation is regulation period.
> -----------
> I agree with you there; the rules should apply to everyone.
> But companies like Rogers and Global have friends in high
> places, and with a good relationship with the CRTC and
> Industry Canada, they can enjoy some perks.
>
NO...they cant dude! See CH Hamilton...go back to the days of WIC and ON TV, the sale to Global, and let's take it from there.
Outside of that example, I too have no doubt that you are correct...unfortunantly.
 
> NO...they cant dude! See CH Hamilton...go back to the days
> of WIC and ON TV, the sale to Global, and let's take it from
> there.
> Outside of that example, I too have no doubt that you are
> correct...unfortunantly.
>
Good example...Any OTHER examples though? <P ID="signature">______________
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