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Classic Hits 92.9 One-Year Anniversary

It was one year ago today that WBPM flipped from oldies "Cool 92.9" to "Classic Hits 92.9" as of 1:00 PM that afternoon on February 1st, 2007. Clear Channel was sold to Pamal and went on to an okay start.

Since day one, the station does okay playing a number of songs from the 60's through the 80's on the pop side, Jack Hammer was doing mornings since it first began and then the Ran-Man Randy Turner from WCZX was in afternoons as well.

After a few months on the format, the station is targeting a more rock leaning approach and go after WPDH which is a station that plays classic rock. I usually listened to this, but now this station does not do really well in the first ratings in the Spring and then the Fall Arbitron, the station does poorly.

Since it demise, many of the former "Cool 92.9" listeners might end up listening to WCZR's "Cruisin' 93.5" which it doesn't come out in the Poughkeepsie area and WGNY-AM 1220 which is down in Newburgh.

Right now, HV has no oldies station, except WKNY has oldies on Saturday afternoons with Warren Lawrence for about 6 hours and WABC's "Saturday Night Oldies Show" with Mark Simone for 4 hours except just a half hour or 15 minutes prior to Rangers Hockey and Army Football.

When I was listening to "Classic Hits 92.9", the station was playing songs that are not hits, but some songs that do fit the format and a lot of them that don't fit the station as well. Look at CBS-FM for example, they got a good format going, but as for WBPM, the station is going nowhere, because it's hurting WPDH, but it does sounded a lot like the former WRKW which was probably from the "Quality Rock" era since it was first launched in 1999 that Strauss owned at the time prior to CC took over from 92.9 WRKW to "92.9 Rock" back in 2003.

Anyone noticed about the one-year anniversary of WBPM's "Classic Hits 92.9"?

I don't like the station so much, too many voiceovers doing liners which it sounded a lot like the former WCZX's "Oldies 97.7" and WBPM's former "Cool 94.3" when it was oldies from many years ago prior to a country station. I wish they should fix the music at anytime, just play only the hits, not just the rock hits, but it sounded a lot like "Jack" where CBS-FM did that since 2005. Make it a mainstream hits station, don't play the extremes for example "Radar Love" by Golden Earring. This station has no Motown songs to play, I mean come on! This is the one-year anniversary of the station.

Plus, the station had some audio dropouts, but it didn't do well, but some listeners tuned to WPDH to find a classic rock station out there, but the audio sounds fine.

By the way, I don't listen to WBPM 24/7, it stinks! Give it a thumbs down, to a one-year anniversary of the station.
 
yes, very difficult to follow your rants.
actually if you're close enough to the catskills to get it, WVOS at 95.9 does an amazing job at oldies.
they have a terrific music mix without being "too old" or too rock which WBPM is, IMHO.
really good job guys, and gals!
 
I know that! That should be my rant on what the station does poorly. WVOS-FM does a great job for an oldies format, but in Poughkeepsie, they still had no oldies station in the HV area. People making complaints about the music was getting too old and tired. If you want a station like "Cool 92.9" does, make it a greatest hits station like CBS-FM does, not the classic rock crap. I was listened to it yesterday that "Classic Hits 92.9" is playing too much classic rock crap, but it sounded a lot like the old WRKW does when it was on 92.9. Give me a break! It's hurting WPDH. I hate the Ran-Man, I hate the format, and I hate WBPM so much! I guess that maybe someday, the WBPM calls goes back to 94.3 to its original home and it would do a lot better than 92.9.

I hope that WBPM should start playing 90's music soon.
 
Whatta friggin' headache...now, Disney- PDH is near or at the top every time, wbpm is at the bottom of the dumper....how can you say thay wbpm is hurting wpdh?? I think that Randy Turnip has the Harry Gregor syndrome- "hey lets send our music mix all over the place and Knock PDH off the pedestal?"... Turnip probably is sore because they gave him his walking papers over on pendell rd...thats the only reason I can think of when you advertise a classic hits format and actually sound line an old AOR station or classic rock station. They play plenty of stinkers that were not even close to being hits. Turnip had the right idea, but its execution stinks. Listen to CBS-FM; thats how a classic hits format should sound. To the dumper with it. Wonder how long Pamal will put up with the putrid ratings??? ???

c'mon jump on it....

warm590 ;D
 
Hey Warm and Disney… What did Randy Turner ever do to either of you? Warm, if you don’t like Randy TURNER, then don’t listen to his station - and stop with the nasty nickname you call him. And Disney, same for you and your comments from earlier this weekend. If either of you – who *claim* to be so smart about radio – think that you think that you could do so much better, then go apply for Randy’s job and take it away from him. If you’re doing something about it, then you’ve got a right to make the comments you do. Otherwise, shut up! Randy’s got 23 years of professional experience, he’s a solid professional broadcaster and coach and this has been his greatest success. If you don't like what Pamal is doing with WBPM, then you have a choice to not listen. Yes, I do know him, I know what he’s had to go through to get this station running and I respect him. Today's radio industry needs more people with his dedication and passion.

Y’know, you all seem to think that WBPM is just Randy’s personal creation, but his bosses are equally part of the product. Classic Hits 92.9 WBPM is specifically designed to capitalize on the weaknesses of WPDH, but also to target WDST (none of you ever mention that). And WPDH isn't nearly as great as you appear to think they are. WPDH is weak, they've let themselves become vulnerable, their programming is cluttered, their morning show is unfocused and they've been getting listeners by default for many years because, prior to WBPM's arrival, they had no significant competition.

It amazes me that you (Disney, Warm and a few others) all claim to be so smart but you display how ignorant you are with almost every post - especially in regard to ratings. How can you base the success or failure of the area's radio stations on the 12+ ratings? 12+ ratings are the most useless snapshot of a market and that's why Arbitron willingly hands them over - but no radio station every looks at that. How can you possibly weigh all stations equally? How can you measure the success of a CHR station against a format that's more adult oriented?? Do you really think that people who are 20 years old are listening to the same music or radio stations as people who are 45 or 50. If any of you had a clue about ratings, you would know that there are more specific ways to measure a radio station's success. If you look at adults 25-54 in Ulster, WBPM has gone from worst to 1st in Ulster County. You can't see that by looking at the 12+ ratings for Dutchess.

And, do any of you ever consider that WBPM's signal is only viable down to Poughkeepsie in Dutchess county and Arbitron sends more than half of the diaries south of POK which means WBPM doesn't ever have a chance of being stronger in Dutchess than in Ulster. How can you win in the main county of the Arbitron survey area when you don’t have full county coverage??

Regarding WBPM's format... they’re not trying to be WCBS-FM so why do you keep posting that their format sucks because they're not playing the same music as WCBS?? If that's what you want to hear, go listen to it! Same thing with WVOS - if they're playing the Motown music you want and think is so great then go listen to it. Those stations are doing a version of classic hits that is right for their area. WBPM’s version of the classic hits format is rock based with a generous blend of pop which is what they need to do here. This is a formula that is working for them. YOU may think that they're not playing hits and, yes, many of them weren’t Top 40 hits but many of the biggest rock songs weren't 'chart hits'. That doesn't mean they're bad songs.

Also... for Disney…
1. the WBPM call letters are not going back to 94.3FM so get over the whole B-94 thing - it's not coming back.
2. After ranting about how much WBPM sucks and how you now hate Randy TURNER… you wrote that you’re wondering when WBPM will be phasing in 90's music. Why do you care? Would that make you hate Randy and WBPM less? If you hate WBPM so much, why would you care when they’re going to play 90's music?

The bottom line is this -- If any of you posters here have a problem with WBPM (or any station), either do something about it (which doesn’t mean posting nasty messages here) or stop complaining. Randy and his team have worked really hard to turn WBPM into a revenue generating station (which it hadn't been for a long time under Clear Channel) and, for a station that’s got practically no budget and operates in a non-rated county, they’re doing a great job.
 
Thanks hv4everandever for this long comment. WVOS-FM doesn't come out well in the Poughkeepsie area as I said before, WGNY-AM 1220 had oldies on and WKNY has oldies on Saturdays but if you want to listen to a greatest hits station, check out CBS-FM and listen to it online.

http://www.wcbsfm.com

I'm not trying to mention the B-94 thing and the WBPM calls return to 94.3, it's not happening, you're not going to see the WBPM calls return to 94.3. It's been around since 2003, but it's now WKXP "The Wolf" and it's doing a great job with country music and I love Beth Christie a lot. let's forget about it! It's over! It's done!

As for WVOS-FM, they did a great job for an oldies/greatest hits format on 95.9, but as I said it doesn't reached from Poughkeepsie but it was splattered by WPKF's "Kiss-FM" at 96.1.

WTRY is still doing it's oldies format and you can listen to it online:

http://www.wtry.com

And WZCR's "Cruisin' 93.5" had a terrible signal and it doesn't come out well at all. There is no streaming. If you want to listen to an oldies station all you do is get a satellite radio and listen to it in your home and in your car.

As for speciality shows on WBPM, it was horrible, but it plays new wave and alternative rock from late 70's through the early 90's. That was one big stinker! The Electric Morning Show was bad and the rest was not good. Let's move on!
 
I really think someone qualified ought to get disney, warm590, hv4everandever, and Randy Turnip---er, TurnER ('scuse me, HV4E&E and/or RT) all together in a room somewhere and moderate and intervention of some kind.
 
[EDIT] Upfront I want to say I have no issue with Randy Turner. Some posters will continue to call him Turnip just to piss you off.
As far as the 12+ ratings we discuss is concerned we discuss it because that is all that is available to us. We would love to see the breakdown but since we can’t we have to make do. I have said in the past as a rim shot into Poughkeepsie that can never do well here, but the trend has still been down; furthermore a .9 doesn’t seem good.
As far as WBPM’s format is concerned , personally I listen to 92.9 most of the time(except I always listen to WCZX Back In The Day Cafe ) in part because I like most of their music , but it could be better. More 60’s pop hits would be great. If I could get a decent signal on WCBS-FM I would listen to them instead in a heartbeat, because they have a better music mix ,so I listen to WBPM by default.
I realize there are other hit lists, including rock, and I am a Classic Rock fan, yet WBPM plays some stuff I never heard of. Why portray themselves as classic hits which most people equate with the most popular songs overall if they want to be something else. You said Randy Is Trying to target WDST, which would explain the off beat songs. The question is why? Not many people mention them because they don’t have a big audience ( good demo‘s though). A few AAA songs thrown in won’t get WDST’s listeners to switch. You can’t be all things to all people.
Finally on the revenue end, granted I can’t see their books, so I don’t know their rates, but they have the lightest commercial load in the area. I don’t see how a station can make money with only one or two breaks per hour and only one or two commercials in each. It’s great for the listeners, but I don’t see a profit.


[EDIT-inflammatory]
 
:eek: WOW! I have never been hit with an edit for being inflammatory before.I didn’t think what I said was that bad, nor did I intend to be mean, but the powers that be saw it differently. I try not to be personal, as we are all are entitled to our opinions. My comment that was deleted referred to Disney's post. So, now having been chastened by admin I will rephrase. I think the gentleman frequently misspeaks. How's that?
 
To Mr Turnip-
mhv radiofan's remarks kind of echo what I have said. I do not listen to WPDH because I don't like the music, the backslappin' morning show and the only jock there worth anything is Shelly. I like the music of CBS-FM; I'm not saying that BPM should sound exactly like CBS, but as has been said, they play stuff u never heard of and therefore were not classic hits= stinkers. The music director who ever he/she is doesn't have a clue. And the spot load is light. Again, with ratings in the dumper, how long is mgt gonna put up with it before the ax falls???

Hey this board is all about opinions. 1 year and the ratings show wbpm is light in the loafers. maybe it needs more time before it takes off???

Fire away, ran man (barf)....I'll see you around town....

kevlar vest on....

warm590 ;D
 
Hey so do you guys work in radio since you know so much? Because I would hope that you would know that in one year WBPM went from worst to first in Ulster County, in adults 25-54, (Disney, thats your demographic!) which is the obvious demographic that WBPM is targeting. I think they've done a great job in creating a station full of music, fun, and less advertising than its competitors. Plus, taking cheap shots at Randy Turner is ridiculous and immature, whats the point? Time to get a life and stop pissing and moaning about something you'll never be able to control. Obviously management helped design the format and is proud of its product or something would have changed already...it has been a year.
 
warmdisney929 said:
Hey so do you guys work in radio since you know so much? Because I would hope that you would know that in one year WBPM went from worst to first in Ulster County, in adults 25-54, (Disney, thats your demographic!) which is the obvious demographic that WBPM is targeting. I think they've done a great job in creating a station full of music, fun, and less advertising than its competitors. Plus, taking cheap shots at Randy Turner is ridiculous and immature, whats the point? Time to get a life and stop pissing and moaning about something you'll never be able to control. Obviously management helped design the format and is proud of its product or something would have changed already...it has been a year.

So you're saying that the "less advertising" is by design? They went from "worst to first" (how Z100 of you), so that the new "worst" station could outbill it? How clever.
 
Reading comprehension at it's finest!

Prediction for 1/1/09:

Rain-Man Mr. Randle Turnbuckle and his 'stinker non-hits' format will be a distant memory.
 
hv4everandever said:
the WBPM call letters are not going back to 94.3FM so get over the whole B-94 thing - it's not coming back.

If you want to see it, why not go to 82 John St. in Kingston, NY in the corner of Crown St. and look at the sign that hangs on the banner it says:

WGHQ 92
NBC Radio

WBPM
Stereo 94.3

That would do a lot better.
 
At least the powers at 92.9 are not afraid to try anything different.

For years, the Hudson Valley market has been littered with the same homogenized, short-playlist, "safe," uncreative mundane garbage in the industry. Not beign far from a similarly-homogenized market (NYC) seems to tell programmers here to mirror that mrket rather than challenge it. For that, people complained on this board.

Finally, an experiment is made to try and turn around a virtually dead radio station and it seems to work, yet people still complain on this board.

Formats and ideas will fail, this does not maen that it's wrong to try and one of them might turn into a gold mine. I, for one, welcome some innovation rather than the bland radio we hear for the most part in the Hudson Valley.

If WBPM does not work in its current form, I only hope management will again choose inovation over another Celin Dion/AC, Safe Hip-Hop/Urban or Bland Oldies, etc. format.
 
Correct, lando, this was a new idea and like you say something different. Nothing wrong with that. And I already spoke my mind about the non hits that are being played on a station who bills themselves as a classic hits station. That said, time will tell as to whether it will work. And how long mgt will settle for mediocre books.... Don't forget, with the Arbs, everyone wins sooner or later......sure do need some competition here....the oldies format is there for the taking!!! Everybody has the option to change channels on the car radio. ;D

more discussion???? ???

warm590 ;D
 
disney fanatic said:
hv4everandever said:
the WBPM call letters are not going back to 94.3FM so get over the whole B-94 thing - it's not coming back.

If you want to see it, why not go to 82 John St. in Kingston, NY in the corner of Crown St. and look at the sign that hangs on the banner it says:

WGHQ 92
NBC Radio

WBPM
Stereo 94.3

That would do a lot better.


Disney, why don’t you see if you can buy the sign, and hang it in your room? Perhaps with your vast knowledge about B94 you could even open a museum or something.
 
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