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I wish you had a life other than posting the BS in here...
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K.M. Richards
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However, you lack the professional credentials to be able to render that judgment. That is what makes you appear hopelessly out of place in these discussions, and why the only people who agree with you are similarly outside the industry and also lacking the credentials to render a judgment.
I bet that if I was able to get Jeff Smulyan, Lew Dickey, Robert Pittman, Dan Mason, Lenard Liberman, Bruce Reese, Jose Valle, and David Field in a room with you they would unanimously decide within five minutes to throw you out the window.
Avid, that is such a lame response. Obviously to know if something is not correct, a person must understand the correct procedure to understand what is not right about it. Unless you can support your remarks I can only suspect your comments are unfounded and not based in fact. Perhaps I should ask what is wrong, specifically? To qualify that, briefly how is such testing conducted? Have you attended, moderated or been involved in any? Have you been privy to any such testings to show you have knowledge they are flawed?
Although Lee Abrams, if he's still in the "I'm sorry about Superstars, really I am" mode he was in when he allowed XM channels to play just about everything, research be damned, might have given Avid a vigorous "Hear hear!" Then BOTH of them would have been thrown out the window.
His argument is that music testing has never been done correctly, by anyone. But he has no idea how it should be done, other than that the results of such testing must produce the findings that people really want to hear a whole lot of music from the '60s and '70s, everything that hit Billboard's top 10 at the bare minimum, and nothing from later than 1990, when popular music turned to talentless, computer-created garbage that nobody in the universe likes. That's your challenge, suits. Get cracking!
He also wants it for free. I don't work for free.
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Avid Listener
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How much knowledge does it take to recognize that the ball wasn't thrown to where it needed to be thrown to?
While I have been very deeply involved in market research testing for consumer hard goods and other marketing ventures, I've never been involved in testing songs for a radio station, except as a participant/subject. But knowledge of how the sausage is made is not required to know if the sausage produced tastes good or not.
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You're trying to talk about more than just one particular play. You're trying to be an expert on the entire game. You're not qualified.
A professional athlete doesn't need some fan in the stands telling him he missed his intended receiver. He already knows that. He has a much better view than anyone. So it's useless information.
So you're admitting that this is really a matter of personal taste? Because if that's all it is, then get in line with all the other people who want radio to play what they want. You're no different than any of them.
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K.M. Richards
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I had hoped it wouldn't come to this, but ...
Many of you know that David (Eduardo) Gleason and I are colleagues in the industry and that we talk and e-mail often as a result of that professional friendship.
This evening I received an e-mail from him saying that, because the management of RadioDiscussions has not been responsive to numerous complaints by him about Avid's constant offensive attitude toward those of us in the industry who have tried to maintain the professional side of the discussion, he is no longer going to be a participant.
The last straw, he tells me, is management's failure to rein in Avid after his recent post essentially calling David a thief, cheat and liar. That was the straw that broke the camel's back, although he is also upset that another moderator told him to stay out of a discussion on streaming, even though David's primary client operates about 80 streams in conjunction with their on-air operation.
David also has advised that he has heard from many of you in the industry who are similarly dismayed that people like Avid are not told to calm down or go away due to their offensive attitudes towards radio people and the industry.
So he is now gone, and with him goes an encyclopedic knowledge that will no longer be accessed as part of these discussions. All because of one little twit who management won't shut down despite his abusive behavior toward everyone.
You all have likely noticed that my signature has contained an advertisement for my consulting business for the past few weeks. That is the result of an advertising agreement I made with Streamline in the hopes of keeping this site available as an industry resource by my support. However, with David having left, I have advised Boz that unless changes are made I will also be departing and cancelling that agreement. I feel I have little choice under the circumstances.
I expect the rest of the professionals will not be far behind David and myself. So congratulations, Avid, you win. RD will become a happy little place where you can bitch to your heart's content about what radio is doing wrong, free of us nasty "suits" and the real world. That is, until Streamline realizes they no longer have an industry-oriented site and shuts it down again.
I have David's complete permission to speak for him on this by quoting him from his most recent e-mails, and anyone who doubts I have that permission can contact him directly via the AmericanRadioHistory.com website.
As Edward R. Murrow used to say ... Good night, and good luck.
Many of you know that David (Eduardo) Gleason and I are colleagues in the industry and that we talk and e-mail often as a result of that professional friendship.
This evening I received an e-mail from him saying that, because the management of RadioDiscussions has not been responsive to numerous complaints by him about Avid's constant offensive attitude toward those of us in the industry who have tried to maintain the professional side of the discussion, he is no longer going to be a participant.
The last straw, he tells me, is management's failure to rein in Avid after his recent post essentially calling David a thief, cheat and liar. That was the straw that broke the camel's back, although he is also upset that another moderator told him to stay out of a discussion on streaming, even though David's primary client operates about 80 streams in conjunction with their on-air operation.
David also has advised that he has heard from many of you in the industry who are similarly dismayed that people like Avid are not told to calm down or go away due to their offensive attitudes towards radio people and the industry.
So he is now gone, and with him goes an encyclopedic knowledge that will no longer be accessed as part of these discussions. All because of one little twit who management won't shut down despite his abusive behavior toward everyone.
You all have likely noticed that my signature has contained an advertisement for my consulting business for the past few weeks. That is the result of an advertising agreement I made with Streamline in the hopes of keeping this site available as an industry resource by my support. However, with David having left, I have advised Boz that unless changes are made I will also be departing and cancelling that agreement. I feel I have little choice under the circumstances.
I expect the rest of the professionals will not be far behind David and myself. So congratulations, Avid, you win. RD will become a happy little place where you can bitch to your heart's content about what radio is doing wrong, free of us nasty "suits" and the real world. That is, until Streamline realizes they no longer have an industry-oriented site and shuts it down again.
I have David's complete permission to speak for him on this by quoting him from his most recent e-mails, and anyone who doubts I have that permission can contact him directly via the AmericanRadioHistory.com website.
As Edward R. Murrow used to say ... Good night, and good luck.
Here's one avid listener (no caps, please) who'll miss David and his insider's views. I've learned a lot about the medium I've been a fan of for so many years through him, K.M. and Michael Hagerty -- who I believe has already left this board. I hope he reconsiders someday.
That's really a shame that a foul-mouthed bully, the kind of person that stands with his fists up in a back alley taking sucker punches at anyone who disagrees with his warped stance, has chased off one of radio's great ambassadors.
I spent 23 years in the business, having never experienced music testing as the stations I worked at were programmed at a corporate level. But, for the last 19 years, I've been a full-time wedding & event DJ entertainer, making far more in one wedding 20 years ago than I ever did in radio. But, I've learned over the years to LISTEN to my CLIENTS, much like CONSULTANTS listen to their station's LISTENERS. Clients/listeners tell you the music they like. In my case, each event has many of the same songs that engage people to have fun and dance. But, there are those unique selections that are unique to any particular client. Much like radio stations have songs that test well in one market that may not test well in another market.
I was questioned by someone in the industry as to why the database of songs that my clients choose their music from only contained 8200+ songs, spanning all formats and back as far as the Big Band era. My response was that I didn't want my clients to have to choose from the 90,000 song default database, rather a database of songs that contains the songs people recognize and enjoy. That's what radio strives for...to play the songs people love and know and enjoy.
Hopefully, this ad-nauseum argument will finally come to an end and we'll see the return of David and that K.M. will remain as well.
I spent 23 years in the business, having never experienced music testing as the stations I worked at were programmed at a corporate level. But, for the last 19 years, I've been a full-time wedding & event DJ entertainer, making far more in one wedding 20 years ago than I ever did in radio. But, I've learned over the years to LISTEN to my CLIENTS, much like CONSULTANTS listen to their station's LISTENERS. Clients/listeners tell you the music they like. In my case, each event has many of the same songs that engage people to have fun and dance. But, there are those unique selections that are unique to any particular client. Much like radio stations have songs that test well in one market that may not test well in another market.
I was questioned by someone in the industry as to why the database of songs that my clients choose their music from only contained 8200+ songs, spanning all formats and back as far as the Big Band era. My response was that I didn't want my clients to have to choose from the 90,000 song default database, rather a database of songs that contains the songs people recognize and enjoy. That's what radio strives for...to play the songs people love and know and enjoy.
Hopefully, this ad-nauseum argument will finally come to an end and we'll see the return of David and that K.M. will remain as well.
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BOZ Profit
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I've had my nose under the hood with another project for the site, among other things I do to put food on the table. So, I get an email tonight from KM explaining the above. REALLY? I thought you guys were all getting ready to send each other Valentine's greetings..
I'll have a response tomorrow (errr, later today) to all the reported posts (the most we got on one thread all year!), threats of quitting and defections to the "other" site, etc.
This drama is better than HBO. I'll cook up some pop corn when I come back. Anyone else want some?
I'll have a response tomorrow (errr, later today) to all the reported posts (the most we got on one thread all year!), threats of quitting and defections to the "other" site, etc.
This drama is better than HBO. I'll cook up some pop corn when I come back. Anyone else want some?
These respected professionals aren't looking for pop corn. Nor is this some pay cable fiction. Fact is, ol' Boz, none of this is new. It's been an issue for months. You and Frank have had more than enough opportunity to take action. Tell us, why should we believe you'll do anything other than offer up another yellow box at the top of the page sermon now?
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BOZ Profit
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That's right, none of this is new and it's a shame that grown adults act like little children on the Internet. Very few people change their minds based on Internet arguments, and yet people argue as if they will change minds. The Court of public opinion has been established. It won't change. Radio pros need to understand that. However, that is not to say that there won't be people seeking genuine answers that the pros can answer. But for those dissatisfied with radio, you will not get them to appreciate what you do, especially when you belittle them in "public".
No one has to believe anything. Not even that the sky is blue if you don't want to. It does not matter what action I end up taking. There will always be the dissatisfied. Someone will say I acted against them, or still have not done enough.
Now honestly, most of you could have easily put Avid Listener on IGNORE, and he could have done the same to those who "troll" his posts. But you all are too egotistical to do so. Each of you have to be right...sadly this is a case where you all are wrong.
If you are a radio professional, you think the fans are wrong. If you are a radio fan, you think the radio pros are wrong. I will elaborate soon.
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BOZ Profit
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See, we have a different view there. I do not view him as arguing with me. I view it as a discussion to make things better. He just is blunt. He really is a nice guy just like all of you are! ... But I tend to focus on the good, rather than the faults. I have my faults, I'd rather you all focus on my good.
So, no one can offend me unless I choose to take offense... that seems to be the rub here. People are choosing to be offended.
So, you choose to keep a blunt, NICE guy (your description) who continuously calls respected industry professionals liars and suits rather than terminate the situation so those respected industry professionals stay or return?
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