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kenrayc

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why is this board so quiet, the bone 107.7 KSAN rocks, the blaze 105.1 KKBZ rocks they both have been playing those song that the regular so called classic like the fox don't play from classic hair metals to the all time cuts that are great.
 
kenrayc said:
why is this board so quiet,

Maybe because there is no controversy or big changes in the Classic Rock genre. The CR stations keep on keeping on and getting respectable, if not exceptional, ratings.
 
nightfly61 said:
Because it's the same old same OLD, literally.

You may be accurate in referring to CR's playlists but IMHO CR was the most innovative single genre of modern music (with the exception of the metal sub-genre) since the pop explosion of the middle/late 50's.
 
landtuna said:
Maybe because there is no controversy or big changes in the Classic Rock genre.

Actually the format has changed over the years. It used to be '60s and '70s based until about 15 years ago. It's been moving forward and now it's '70s corporate rock and '80s hair bands. The new version is ok, but I miss the old style more.
 
RMarino said:
Actually the format has changed over the years. It used to be '60s and '70s based until about 15 years ago. It's been moving forward and now it's '70s corporate rock and '80s hair bands. The new version is ok, but I miss the old style more.

One problem with the label 'classic' (as in 'rock' and 'country') is that it means "what I grew up with" to people. Therefore, it ages just like its original audience. Shouldn't be like that (although I understand why stations have to do it or lose listeners).

Classic should always have a set date reference:

Classic Rock mid-60's thru early 80's but not to include grunge or hair band noise.

Classic Country mid-50's through early 80's perhaps (I'm not a Country listener so guessing on dates here).

Oldies (which is a classic genre) mid-50's through very early 80's but not including Disco.

Fortunately, great portable music players came out just in time so we don't have to depend upon PD's to follow the rules. ;)
 
landtuna said:
IMHO CR was the most innovative single genre of modern music (with the exception of the metal sub-genre) since the pop explosion of the middle/late 50's.

Not quite sure what you mean...are you saying the classic rock format was innovative, or the music that's now known as classic rock was innovative?

If the former, nothing particularly innovative there...just an oldies format for a different audience. If the latter, yeah some of the music was innovative in its day, some not so much. I certainly wouldn't consider 70s arena rock (Kansas, Journey, Van Halen, etc.) particularly innovative for example. Doesn't necessarily make it bad but it was pretty formula.
 
Oldbones said:
...are you saying the classic rock format was innovative, or the music that's now known as classic rock was innovative?

Music.

Oldbones said:
I certainly wouldn't consider 70s arena rock (Kansas, Journey, Van Halen, etc.) particularly innovative for example. Doesn't necessarily make it bad but it was pretty formula.

Each of the bands you mention, as well as most others, have a "signature" that pretty well describes their music. While there is similarity within a single band's music it was the genre I was talking about. Within the genre there was enormous experimentation and diversity which ran from Country-Rock, Folk-Rock, Pop-Rock, "psycho-rock", vocal-centric and even some instrumental.

Today's pop, rap and hip-hop sounds like elevator music in comparison.
 
And where's the fine line between hair band "noise" as you put it and "good old classic rock?
Since Def Leppard's "On Through The Night" album was out before ythe term "hair band" or Heavy Metal, is that excluded, yet once the band got hot they are no longer good?
Same with INXS, Honeymoon Suite, anything post Zeppelin from Robert Plant off "Now & Zen", and another great example would be Van Halen. Pre 1984 Van Halen is okay, but Jump, I'll Wait, Drop Dead Legs, etc are "metal"?
Same with WhiteSnake & Bon Jovi.
 
Actually I believe that KANSAS was a pretty innovative, progressive band. "Carry On My Wayward Son" was dramatic and "Dust In The Wind" was very sophisticated.
 
One of the best classic rock stations that plays all those bands you listed is 97.1 The Drive in Chicago. I mean, they literally play EVERYTHING.
 
Some classic rock stations are boring and stale and rely on the same 300-400 songs played over and over again. The good classic rock stations, in my opinion, are the ones that will mix the popular anthems with the occasional obscure track and isn't afraid to play something from the '90s that may fit in with the core '70s tracks. The major difference between classic rock and oldies, aside from the music, is the target audience. I think while oldies has constantly been adjusting to play more '70s and '80s songs to keep that target 35-64 demo, classic rock stations, for the most part, have been keeping the timeframe of the music more or less the same while the demo keeps getting older and older. However, one major adjustment for classic rock is the addition of older hard rock/metal songs from the 70s from bands like AC/DC and Black Sabbath, and dumping mellower artists like Billy Joel and Elton John, and even the Beatles to some extent. Perhaps classic rock stations are trying to attract younger listeners by playing the harder tracks. In addition, over the past decade there has been the crop of "classic rock that really rocks" stations or "The Brew"-type stations that focus on late '70s, '80s, and '90s songs, but I don't consider these true classic rock stations. I think Sirius/XM's "Classic Rewind" has it right by the mix it plays, not focusing too much on the hair metal of the '80s but actually playing what was on the Album Rock Tracks chart, like Steve Winwood, Journey, and the Police. I wouldn't be surprised that in about 5 years or so, there will be a major overhaul of classic rock as we know it, as the target demo will be getting smaller and smaller (not to sound too morbid), or that many traditional classic rock stations disappear. But for now, light 'em up and let's hear "Freebird" again!

Jacko
 
Over here The Classic Rocker has been adding more Beatles and Elton John. Sounds alot like an oldies station now. And Our Classic Hits is starting to sound like what the Classic Rocker did.
 
kenrayc said:
why is this board so quiet, the bone 107.7 KSAN rocks, the blaze 105.1 KKBZ rocks they both have been playing those song that the regular so called classic like the fox don't play from classic hair metals to the all time cuts that are great.
I haven't heard ZZ Top "Legs" in over a week, so I have nothing to complain about.
 
Quote from: landtuna on April 07, 2010, 07:50:14 PM


Today's pop, rap and hip-hop sounds like elevator music in comparison.

More like junk in comparison.
I think it's pretty one dimensional to only like the same old same old mainstream, overplayed "classic rock" cuts that were wore out 21 years ago. At least today's pop, rap, hip-hop & crossover country are SOMETHING NEW. ::)
 
nightfly61 said:
I think it's pretty one dimensional to only like the same old same old mainstream, overplayed "classic rock" cuts that were wore out 21 years ago. At least today's pop, rap, hip-hop & crossover country are SOMETHING NEW. ::)

Music is an individual taste of course but I don't know many people who listen exclusively to only one music genre. Since this is a classic rock thread I was addressing that...but.....

In my personal library I've got about 200 entries in the "rock" genre and another several hundred in a "soft rock" classification. (I don't have a "CR" designation in my library.) My library consists of almost 2,000 songs total so maybe one-quarter of the total would be considered "classic rock". These 500-odd songs are my favorites but I don't listen to them exclusively. There are 1,500 other songs out there that range from 50's be-bop, 60's surf/British Invasion/protest/folk rock, 70's (even a couple Disco) through the early 80's. There are a few....very few....more current songs as well, mostly New Age.

My library probably differs a lot from any CR playlist you've ever come across. When was the last time you heard "The Breakup Song" or "Hey Little Girl" played on music radio? There are lots more of those in my library.

Today's pop music "stars" tend to be as much or more video oriented as audio and the poor quality and repetitive nature of their music shows. Rap isn't music but virtually every rap and hip-hop "song" I've heard (I have two teen daughters remember) sounds similar to the last. So does most Techno. There are exceptions of course but then there are musicians who specialize in cloning Standards as pop. Not sure what the purpose of that is other than to make a cheap buck. The artist may be new and the genre may be newer (than CR) but there is little to no new music or innovation there.

I grew up with musicians who were not content to follow the crowd and music was their only product. They didn't do videos, most didn't do movies and they didn't spend their off-hours posing for TMZ or just posing their bling. There are very few musicians like that today and even fewer worth listening to.

My two cents of course and YMMV.
 
Oldbones said:
Not quite sure what you mean...are you saying the classic rock format was innovative, or the music that's now known as classic rock was innovative?

If the former, nothing particularly innovative there...just an oldies format for a different audience. If the latter, yeah some of the music was innovative in its day, some not so much. I certainly wouldn't consider 70s arena rock (Kansas, Journey, Van Halen, etc.) particularly innovative for example. Doesn't necessarily make it bad but it was pretty formula.

It was the music, of course. There's never anything innovative about radio formats.

As for most of the music in the classic rock era being "formula", that's not the fault of the musicians. That's the fault of the radio programmers and record company suits who would only pick one or two "formula" songs off of albums to release as singles and to push for airplay. Listen to anyone who only listened to what he was spoon fed by the radio suits, and it's easy to think all the music of that era was "formula". Listen to anyone who actually listened to the the entire albums, and you'll get the truth.
 
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