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Clear Channel Audio Processing Sounds Horrible!

I was in the Seattle/Tacoma area, a few days ago, and was surprised by how horrible the Clear Channel stations are sounding. The stations are much too loud and compressed, especially KUBE 93 and 106.1 Kiss FM. Is Clear Channel trying to drive listeners away from the radio?

106.1 Kiss FM sounded much better when it was owned by CBS!
 
KUBE is loud but horribly compressed, I agree. They really don’t sound good on properly mastered songs (which is contradictory to what should be the case)

radioxpert said:
106.1 Kiss FM sounded much better when it was owned by CBS!

This part I must disagree. KBKS was always over modulated with CBS and in the final 3 months there was no low end in the processing at all. They sound mildly better right now, though it really is a shame that the frequency is never done right. Seattle's KISS is a horribly processed CHR, no matter who the ownership title belongs to.

ALTHOUGH! Everyone is better than the vast flatland that is known as KPLZ. Just yuck from a engineering standpoint!

On a quick note while we are talking about CHR type stations, KQMV has appeared to make a few minor changes in the past few weeks and are sounding the best hands down IMO (which is really to no surprise as that’s what’s been discussed before on this board)
 
I just moved here a month ago and I'm amazed at how horrid the audio is on FM stations here. All of them sound crunchy and distorted to me. I can't listen for long.
 
Seattleradiodude said:
ALTHOUGH! Everyone is better than the vast flatland that is known as KPLZ. Just yuck from a engineering standpoint!

But not from a ratings (and more importantly a billing) standpoint.

Here's the former Fisher DOE's take on what happened when they changed to a "vast flatland" sound: http://bit dot ly/8ed4Yw (replace dot with .)
 
"If you shout, they gotta listen!!"

I've been here more than 5 years and have to agree with Beachguy. Makes me think most of the people in charge of the stations here used to work at top 40 AM stations, and think loudness and intense EQ makes their station "pop out" on the dial and, thus, irresistable. Must be the same reason behind all of the goofy sound effects and positioning liners on KOMO, instead of compelling content delivered in a calm and confident tone of voice. Maybe people who like to listen to TV commercials screaming at them because it makes them feel alive are the only intended audience for these stations. I think they forego a lot of people who'd really like to try to listen but get tired quickly of all of the bluster and over processed audio.

I'd like to listen to "The Mountain," but its procesing sounds just like all the other desperate signals. Keeping the "adult" out of the "adult alternative" format. I don't need my genitals to vibrate everytime they run a liner to remind me who they are, in case I dare to forget for five minutes.

Same goes for overprocessed talkers KIRO-FM, KOMO-FM, KUOW-FM, and even KXOT (91.7), with the first two pushing the volume beyond what is needed to be heard while driving on I-5's noisy pavement. Makes the announcers sound asthmatic every time they inhale, too. On the other hand, KXOT often operates at about 1/3 volume of what would be considered normal. Same with CBC Radio 2 from Victoria (92.1). Anybody paying attention there?

And KIXI-AM 880 is so over processed it distorts much of their music. Gotta guess the VU meter rarely dips below 90% there, too. Not convinced that helps old folks who are hard to hearing to listen longer, either.

Perhaps KPLU (88.5) is one of the few around Seattle-Tacoma with a clean sounding signal, on both music and voice. Maybe KING-FM (98.1) too, but the perceived volume on their produced commercials seems out of whack with the music format, and I gotta think they could be a little "classier" for a classical format.

Anybody in station management here care about how clean their signal sound on decent stereo equipment? So many stations sound like the aural equipvalent of a big flashing ugly electronic billboard like the ones that distract motorists on I-5 in Fife, pushing used RVs and casinos, where there would otherwise be a close-up view of Mt Rainier. Sad, really, what people have done to both the landscape and views around otherwise scenic Seattle. Gotta say I think there's a parallel with a lot of the local radio industry here, too, as to how far they've gone to make the AM and FM dials unattractive and irrelevant to more and more people every year.

There isn't something for everyone on the Seattle dial, since the commercial broadcasters, all seem to chase the same ad accounts with the same agency buyers for the same young, low-brow, low educated demographic. Or maybe that's just reflecting the plaid-pant culture of the chosen few who get to run the stations on our public airwaves.

Happy new year. Hoping for some "upgrades" on our local radio dial in the new year in both technical quality and content.
 
If you think KISS audio sounded better under CBS ownership you are hereby disqualified to comment further on such matters.
 
KPLU is above and beyond the BEST sounding station in Puget Sound these days. CHQM comes in a close second and even KRWM doesn't do too bad.

Worst?.....Ugh! Where do I EVEN begin? The worst of all is without a doubt KBRC's FM translator on Camano (102.1 MHz), barely 8kHz telephone quality

But a lot of that (even on the better sounding stations) has to do with the recordings themselves. You have to remember what passes for mastering these days would have been considered incompetent 20 years ago. It's all about VOLUME - Gotta rip your ears off with even the TINIEST note blaring from those cheap laptop/MP3 player speakers. Even TM Century and other radio music distributors never seem to get the levels balanced right. And that's primarily the fault of the recording industry. When you add that to the compression stations already use, KPLZ's decision to "flatline" doesn't seem so bad. KAFE is also pretty flat (but then again, they've ALWAYS been that way......)
 
Checked out "Entertainment Tonight" for first time in a long time --- THAT audio sounds like everyone is talking into a pillow. In my book it is UN-AIR-ABLE. And that doesn't even factor in that the content is worthless and also un-nece-ssary! They used to do a lot of industry background pieces (about production shoots, people who contribute to projects) and it was very interesting. At some point they converted to the tabloid approach and now the whole show is teases and about 3 minutes of so-called "substance" with a buttload of "whoosh" transition effects, and delivered/hyped as if they were peeking in everyone's bathroom windows in BelAir. Way-ta-Go, Paramount! (Not to mention what they spent on that set could probably pay down the national debt by about 80%).
 
I hate to blame Ibiquity HDRadio, but I can't help but notice that almost every Seattle station has their equipment.

Tonight on a trip through the "twin cities" of Centralia and Chehalis, I was lucky enough to hear the most 'natural' sounding FM station I've heard in this region - "Live 95." I had my speakers booming bass during B52s "Love Shack," which I haven't probably haven't seen happen for years. Clearly they allow both highs and lows to come out of their transmitter!
http://www.live95.com/

Not only did they sound good processing wise, they had a live personality in the studio on a Sunday evening. He was giving current weather information, temperature and teasing new music. It was great. Also, I know he was there as I called in and he answered the phone.
 
I agree for the most part, most of the stations around here don't sound as good as they could. I must also point out the wide variety in the the quality of the source material these days is huge, especially for top40. We (KMIH) only import audio that arrived from the record companies as uncompressed WAV files or real CDs and even then some of them sound like poo upon arrival. The thing that makes me most sad about most stations is that the really deep low end is gone as are the clean highs that are in some songs.

If anyone gets a chance to listen to 88.9/94.5 with a good tuner I would be interested in hearing input...


-John
 
John,
While I just moved out of the area, I can personally vouch for KMIH sounding quite good. It's so good that coworkers were discovering and leaving "hot Jams (94.5)" on as their P1. These were women that generally choose "MoVin" as their second choice, even though this board doesn't understand that 92.5 is a winner for Sandusky. ;-)
 
I was up in Seattle, last week, and noted that "Hot Jamz" was airing crisp, clean full quality source material. No station should ever play MP3's, when it's so easy to get WAV copies. I also noted that 94.5 has much better coverage of Seattle, compared to 88.9. I hope that "Hot Jamz" will eventually be able to serve Tacoma, as well. It's a great sounding station!
 
SeattleObserver said:
These were women that generally choose "MoVin" as their second choice, even though this board doesn't understand that 92.5 is a winner for Sandusky. ;-)

Totally agree with that assessment now that you qualified it as a "winner for Sandusky", not as a "winner in the Seattle/Tacoma market".
 
I know it's not CC but KIRO FM sure sounded bad this morning. Dave Ross sounded like he was in a well or something. The people on the phone sounded much better. Not the first time I have noticed this. Why not do something about it... or is it because they are on FM now but the equipment is for AM? Does this matter?
 
Goldilocks has it right about CBC radio 2 Victoria. Their volume is way too low. But maybe a low power station is causing some interference.
 
jensenbay said:
I know it's not CC but KIRO FM sure sounded bad this morning. Dave Ross sounded like he was in a well or something. The people on the phone sounded much better. Not the first time I have noticed this. Why not do something about it... or is it because they are on FM now but the equipment is for AM? Does this matter?

Dave is "vacationing" this week at his parents' home in Westchester County, NY and is "dialing in" with a Tieline or a Comrex box. That's why he sounds so bad.
 
JakeMott said:
Goldilocks has it right about CBC radio 2 Victoria. Their volume is way too low. But maybe a low power station is causing some interference.

Well, it is/was a (mostly) classical station. And with the dynamic range of CDs, classical stations in general aren't very loud to begin with. They play a bigger variety of music in general on CBC Radio 2 these days, but with the classical still in the format, it's doubtful anyone considered doing anything in the processing end.

The processing is the same on the CBC Radio 2 Vancouver station of 105.7, which somehow comes in a LOT better than the one in Victoria. I also think the way the Victoria signal is patterned, they may actually be deliberately trying to get into Seattle with that one, I don't know. Somehow, the 105.7 signal is clearer than the 92.1 signal from Everett on up......
 
Speaking of CBC Radio 2 from Victoria, I have brought it to the attention of the CBC chief engineer for BC on multiple occasions on the past few years. Even mentioned it to programming mgt, who eventually realized what I was talking about a few yrs ago. They told me their computer that receives the signal from the CBC's Toronto centre (like that spelling, eh?) kept defaulting to a low setting. Apparently, it still does. No one at CBC in BC is even looking at the tech parameters for the station, apparently. Or listening, I must presume.

I've given up bringing it to their attention anymore, since I no longer listen to what used to be my very favorite station, since they made massive staff and programming changes designed to drive away discriminating listeners like me. David Wisdom, Jurgen Gothe, and Dannielle Charbonnaut, where are you now??

The low volume on that frequency is also not an issue related to classical music programming (with they have scant little of anymore, and the non-classical is no longer compatible "crossover" material, but odd "Canadian Idol" style pop and off-jazz, not even groovy chill out material). If anything, it sounds tinny and shrill, albeit at 1/3 standard volume. And has for the better part of a year now.

But, again, I digress.

The Radio 2 tower is on Salt Spring Island, which causes a little blockage getting thru the island hills toward Bellingham, but shoots a nice clean signal toward Edmonds. It also comes in with a decent signal in much of Seattle, especially on a west facing hill, but the low volume issue makes it seem as if the signal is weaker than it actually is. You can listen to it all the way from Seattle to Vancouver without much fading, but a little multipath.

The other Vancouver transmitter for Radio 2 on 105.7 is north of the city with the rest of them, and also gets down to Everett OK. But when I compare it with the signal on 92.1, it usually sounds better - cleaner and at a proper volume.

Lately, I've been enjoying the upgraded signal of Espace Musique (the Radio-Canada cultural service ) from Victoria on 88.9. The weeknight music programming is usually sublimely wonderful, with a mix of classical, blending with world music by 7pm, then evolving into mostly jazz by 10pm most nights. And the mid evening announcer's nicotine stained voice is actually wonderful to listen to speaking French. (I think his name is Daniel Bergman.) I find it much more satisfying to listen to than the same old same old everywhere else, and more imaginative than most of what's on TV. Good music for reading or dining or hot tubbing or whatever. Any of you listen to it yet? I think the emphasis on downtempo is a big part of how the mix seems to fit the evening daypart. Sunday afternoons are often like that, too, with a little more jazz standards in the mix. Sure would be nice to hear a Seattle non-comm try something like that.

I do wish the CBC Radio 2 people paid better attention to how their French counterparts from Montreal mix up fine arts music with ancillary genres, so they might sound less forced and artificial, and learn how to segue music without all of the 'trainwrecks.'
 
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