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clear channel complaint

Alton said:
Sure, technically he works for that station if you're going to get nitpicky. He works for the company that owns the station, so yes, he works for that station.
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No, he works for that station, and the other stations he VTs for. It's not nitpicky. It's a fact. The local PD or OM selected him to do this. They have their pick from lots of PC people. They select the ones who they feel suit the sound of their station, as though they were hiring someone, and in fact they are.

And as I said, the listeners DON'T care, except for you, so there's no hosing going on. Most people have a lot more to be concerned with than where the DJ of some radio station is located. It's simply a staffing issue. Lots of people in other lines of work do this every day.
 
TheBigA said:
So I don't think the intent is to fool anyone.

By the same token, Pittsburgh has the Keymarket Froggy quadcast, where four stations are programmed with the same content.
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It is absolutely the intent.... frankly I never understood why CC doesn't present their product as national "superstar" radio.. one CHR lineup for the whole country... apparently they feel that the clients in the local markets will spend more on a "local" station.
 
Parttimer said:
I never understood why CC doesn't present their product as national "superstar" radio.. one CHR lineup for the whole country... apparently they feel that the clients in the local markets will spend more on a "local" station.
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They have some of that with Seacrest and Delilah. Fifteen years ago, most people assumed CC was going to do national formats 24/7 on all their stations. Then they didn't. Now people are assuming that's what Cumulus is going to do. We'll see.

But the fact is that clients spend more on the station that has the most listeners, regardless of its origination. If they can get a 7 share with Jack, great! It depends on the market, the heritage, and the format.

Going back to the first post in the thread, the idea is to give the local programmers the tools to do what's best for their market. To spend the money where it gives the most bang for the buck. The fact that there is someone locally who is making those decisions and targeting the station to the specific market, adjusting to the competition, is what differs OTA radio from everything else.
 
Aside from people who work in radio, nobody cares about voicetracking on a music station.

What difference does it make if the person saying, "Wrapping up five in a row with Elton John..." is in Pittsburgh or Maui?
 
Boss Radio said:
Aside from people who work in radio, nobody cares about voicetracking on a music station.

What difference does it make if the person saying, "Wrapping up five in a row with Elton John..." is in Pittsburgh or Maui?
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Completely agree.
 
I think the original point got sidetracked. There's nothing technically wrong with running a station from another market, just don't SUCK at it. That's what started the discussion. The argument is whether you can credibly run a station from another market. If you can't even pronounce the names of local towns and notables correctly, it makes a good case that you can't.
 
PT said:
If you can't even pronounce the names of local towns and notables correctly, it makes a good case that you can't.
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That's not a company thing. It's an employee thing. That an employee can read a name without doing simple research shows a lack of pride in one's work. I see it on CNN. The newsreader obviously didn't pre-read the script. He/she gets to a word or name and stumbles badly. Happens all the time. My view is that these people would screw up names or words even if they lived in the area.
 
Parttimer said:
It is absolutely the intent.... frankly I never understood why CC doesn't present their product as national "superstar" radio.. one CHR lineup for the whole country... apparently they feel that the clients in the local markets will spend more on a "local" station.
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I think because if they do that for one, they have to do it for all the stations they own or they'll look really stupid(er). In other words, this might work for Kiss, but really pointing out the fact that DVE isn't locally owned is a bad move. And what does the flashcube have on its side boys and girls? Not Clear Channel.
 
Quote from: Alton on Yesterday at 08:50:03 PM

Sure, technically he works for that station if you're going to get nitpicky. He works for the company that owns the station, so yes, he works for that station.

No, he works for that station, and the other stations he VTs for. It's not nitpicky. It's a fact. The local PD or OM selected him to do this. They have their pick from lots of PC people. They select the ones who they feel suit the sound of their station, as though they were hiring someone, and in fact they are.
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Excuse me BigA, but I wrote exactly this point, yet in your "I must argue with Alton" line of thinking...you write "No, he works for that station, etc"...I SAID THAT!

Technically, here's how the PC Talents were chosen. Premium PC OPS managers asked the top market PDs suggestions of which talent in their market should be asked or selected to voicetrack for the other (smaller in most caes) markets that were blowing out people. These people were asked by the PC Ops PDs (of which two are no longer at CC...ironically, blown out!). So, for an extra 18 cents a day, certain members of this market and others voicetrack shows heard in these other markets. They did so because of the thinking it could secure them more in their jobs. I don't blame them. (so, please, don't make something out of this because of your need to always counteract what I say).

And as I said, the listeners DON'T care, except for you, so there's no hosing going on. Most people have a lot more to be concerned with than where the DJ of some radio station is located. It's simply a staffing issue. Lots of people in other lines of work do this every day.
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Well, that's really not a true statement, is it? First of all, do I really care? Not really. I just want you to know that from what I read and know from several voicetrackers who were told to make it all generic, yeah, I do think this whole voicetracking idea is done with a lot of "pretending". Ask any local PC voicetracker.

A typical BigA irrelevent "I want to sound smart" statement of yours..."most people have a lot more to be worried about". This is irrelvant to this discussion. You just wrote it to make whatever point you're trying to make sound more important. Duh! Of course there are more important things to worry about in life". Especially, in this economy. You do this throughout all conversations, just to try to sound like you are the authority.

Do listeners really care? Well, it sounds dumb when people mispronounce cities. I think it makes the whole station sound dumb. There used to be standards, but this is the way radio is in 2012. Which, is actually the mission statement of CC: "Less is More".

Okay, now it's your turn to go and twist my words around.
 
TheBigA said:
PT said:
If you can't even pronounce the names of local towns and notables correctly, it makes a good case that you can't.
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That's not a company thing. It's an employee thing. .
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When a high percentage of employees do it, it's a company thing. It's a culture that tolerates sloppiness, whether it's out-of-towners butchering names and places, or the local staff having 5 things running at once, followed by an hour of dead air.
 
TheBigA said:
PT said:
If you can't even pronounce the names of local towns and notables correctly, it makes a good case that you can't.
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That's not a company thing. It's an employee thing. That an employee can read a name without doing simple research shows a lack of pride in one's work. I see it on CNN. The newsreader obviously didn't pre-read the script. He/she gets to a word or name and stumbles badly. Happens all the time. My view is that these people would screw up names or words even if they lived in the area.
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How long has Darieth Chisolm Been in western Pa.. She still Mispronounce's local Names.
 
When a high percentage of employees do it, it's a company thing. It's a culture that tolerates sloppiness, whether it's out-of-towners butchering names and places, or the local staff having 5 things running at once, followed by an hour of dead air.
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Right on Parttimer!! Well said.
 
Parttimer said:
When a high percentage of employees do it, it's a company thing.
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I've heard it done by locally owned stations too. And I've heard streets mispronounced by local residents. Hey, a guy I work with has been mispronouncing my last name for five years. He hears other people say it right, and he still says it wrong. It happens. You learn not to worry about it. We had a President who pronounced "nuclear" as "nu-cu-lar." This guy has the button to start an atomic war. You'd think someone would correct him. No one did. So you find something else to worry about.

I was in Montreal recently and ordered some of their famous local cider. I pronounced it the American way. They looked at me like I was an idiot. I pointed to it on the menu, and they said, "Oh, you mean SEE-der." That's how the French Canadians pronounce it there. I thought "what an a-hole."
 
I thought "what an a-hole."
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I was so tempted not to reply, but I just can't help myself. I think they probably thought the same thing! Ha! ;)
 
TheBigA said:
Parttimer said:
When a high percentage of employees do it, it's a company thing.
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Hey, a guy I work with has been mispronouncing my last name for five years. He hears other people say it right, and he still says it wrong.
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Reminds me of an all-time great Simpsons moment where the Stray Cats' Brian Setzer was conducting a guitar
class in which Homer was a student.

Homer: "Mr. Seltzer?"
Setzer: "It's Setzer. My name is Setzer."
Homer : (long pause--) No, I think it's Seltzer
 
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