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This is AMAZING to me. CC wants the FCC to expand the number of stations a single group can own in a large market to 10. Can you imagine? You would have 4 owners here and only 2 would matter.
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gspitslive said:
That is amazing. What did McLendon own, 25 stations ? & that was considered a big broadacster
in the 1960's.
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Yeah, not sure how many stations, "The Old Scotchman" had, but I do know that he, Liberty Broadcasting and a number of those who followed did a remarkable job building radio up into a remarkable medium over years and it has only taken the likes of CC to make it a delivery system for Muzak, has been's and never were's in one very short decade.
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gspitslive said:
Mr. McClendon was known as "The Old Scotsman".
I don't believe his preference for a particular liquor would come into play here.
To help their cause, Clear Channel says they're facing new 'competitors' now that they didn't have in 1996, like satellite radio, independent internet streaming, and podcasting--and that's true. Thing is, they don't want anyone concentrating on the fact that their company has certainly put its tentacles into all three of those specialized mediums, too.
You want more stations, CC? Go right back to those satellite, streaming, and podcasting efforts, and STFU about needing more terrestrial radio stations. Of all the gall...
You want more stations, CC? Go right back to those satellite, streaming, and podcasting efforts, and STFU about needing more terrestrial radio stations. Of all the gall...
Nate Wesley said:
And yet there are no regulations or restrictions on that ownership, nor on combining that ownership with broadcast. Demonstrates very clearly how dated and ridiculous the broadcast ownership laws are.
By the way, just because they're filing these comments, don't assume they're looking to buy more stations. There are lots of major markets where they're under the maximum. They're $20 bil in debt, and their investors aren't looking to add any more to it. And they still have lots of stations in the Aloha Trust. My take is they're simply filing their comments, as they're allowed.
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What I find truly amusing is that CC and the others have been involved directly with the "competition" they say is killing them: CC had (might still have), 6 dedicated channels on XM. The ONLY music stations that are allowed to run commercials. They got them because they were funding sat radio. Sirius and XM would probably have dies years ago if CBS had not allowed the Howard Stern , year long promotional campaign. The internet COULD have been dominated by the broadcasters if they had any vision whatsoever. Think about it, they had content AND money AND a huge audience. I hope the record labels break radio broadcasters in half.
gspitslive said:
The labels are the single reason why internet radio hasn't flourished. Their incredible greed has burdened internet operators with unreasonable royalties and regulations. That's the reason smaller broadcasters have stayed away from streaming. The big ones, on the other hand, are fine with paying royaltis. CBS and Clear Channel are two of the top payers to Sound Exchange. Only Pandora has them beat. If the labels get their way, they will do to OTA radio what they did to the internet, which is destroy it.
I think CC should have more stations, becasue they have done so many great things with the ones they have. Plus owning more stations will allow them to decrease the number of local individuals employeed in media. There are plenty of jobs out there, so CC would be doing these people a favor by pushing them from the nest so they can learn to fly.
Besides there are too many voices in the media as it is, remember those annoying days when citizens disenting from corporate control of our society could access media outlets? Thank god that is over. We deserve unbiased opinions with out all the rehtoric and they could deliver by flipping a stick to FOX NEWS RADIO.
I think staffing at radio will continue to drop regardless of ownership, just as staffing is dropping everywhere. You can blame it on CC, but the economy simply isn't growing.
As for dissent about the media, it's alive and well at PBS. I watched Bill Moyers a few weeks ago interviewing FCC commissioner Michael Copps, and it was a 1-hour non-stop attack on big media. But the fact is that big media is simply one small aspect of the overall consolidation of America, from retail with Wal Mart and Home Depot, to restaurants with McDonalds and other chains, even beer is owned by far fewer companies today than ten years ago.
The fact is that message boards like this one are where dissent really lives. No one is stopping you from saying whatever you want here.
As for dissent about the media, it's alive and well at PBS. I watched Bill Moyers a few weeks ago interviewing FCC commissioner Michael Copps, and it was a 1-hour non-stop attack on big media. But the fact is that big media is simply one small aspect of the overall consolidation of America, from retail with Wal Mart and Home Depot, to restaurants with McDonalds and other chains, even beer is owned by far fewer companies today than ten years ago.
The fact is that message boards like this one are where dissent really lives. No one is stopping you from saying whatever you want here.
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Gordon McLendon was known as the "Old Scotchman"...NOT "Scotsman".
And believe me, I DID research that simple but inisginificant fact.
And believe me, I DID research that simple but inisginificant fact.
Steve Eberhart said:
If you do a little more research, you find that "Scotsman" is the correct term for a Scot or one of Scottish ancestry; "Scotchman" is an old/archaec and sometimes offensive term for a Scot... or someone given to drinking a lot of Scotch whiskey. By "old" I mean the 15th Century.
dfaulkner said:
7 AMs at the high point, and less FMs.
At one point in time, it was KTSA, KILT, KLIF, WAKY, WYNR, KABL and WYSL. I believe KELP was sold to buy WYSL. Additionally, there were FMs in SF, LA, Detroit, Chicago. And a "sales agreement" for XETRA in Mexico.
In the 60's, the cap was 7 AM and 7 FM.
TheBigA said:
That's a terrific point!
In 1960, FM was a non-factor.
Dallas and Ft Worth were separate radio markets, and except for WFAA/WBAP and KRLD there really were no other stations covering both markets well (well, KLIF daytime and maybe WRR).
You realize that Dallas had vastly reduced competition when considering that KBOX, the Balaban station on 1480 was a challenger for #1... and we know what a dreadful signal that was then.
In 1961, per Chris' excellent Dallas radio history pages at http://www.dfwradioarchives.com/1960s.htm there were 13 AMs in the Dallas market and 6 were daytime... two Ft Worth signals were audible, besides the 820 of WBAP / WFAA.
Even if we debate what signals were listenable, we have to note that at night, there were barely a half dozen listenable signals on AM in the Dallas market of the time. And the #1 station had around a 20 share... today #1 is a 5 or 6 share. It takes 4 or 5 stations to equal what one had then... so comparisons are totally invalid.
keygrip said:
His name was not McClendon.
It was McLendon.
And in today's market, he probably would need at least a quart of Scotch daily to stay sane.
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