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ClearChannel Parking Call Signs For CW

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effseesee

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In today's list of call sign changes issued by the FCC, there are a few interesting call sign changes involving ClearChannel facilities:

KBDK (Satellite of KSAS (FOX) Wichita, KS) changes to KOCW
KMTX-TV (Satellite of KMTR (NBC) Eugene, OR) changes to KTCW
KMTZ (Satellite of KMTR (NBC) Eugene, OR) changes KUCW

One would guess that either KOCW or KTCW will end up on ClearChannel's UPN affiliate in Tulsa.

In addition, LIN's Low Power on Channel 28 in Hartford took the call sign WXCW-CA.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by effseesee on 02/16/06 06:54 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> In today's list of call sign changes issued by the FCC,
> there are a few interesting call sign changes involving
> ClearChannel facilities:
>
> KBDK (Satellite of KSAS (FOX) Wichita, KS) changes to KOCW
> KMTX-TV (Satellite of KMTR (NBC) Eugene, OR) changes to KTCW
>
> KMTZ (Satellite of KMTR (NBC) Eugene, OR) changes KUCW
>
> One would guess that either KOCW or KTCW will end up on
> ClearChannel's UPN affiliate in Tulsa.

I'm also beginning to suspect that too, if WLMT-30/Memphis, KUWB-30/Salt Lake City, and KASN-38/Little Rock comes into play.

> In addition, LIN's Low Power on Channel 28 in Hartford took
> the call sign WXCW-CA.

Speaking of LIN, one gets the feeling that KNVA-54/Austin and WNLO-23/Buffalo could also land The CW.
 
On this subject, while it's a longshot, I still wonder if Seattle's UPN11 might change longtime call KSTW to KSCW after the changeover. The latter is an open callsign.
 
Hasn't Seattle/Tacoma's Channel 11 been known as KSTW since the 1950's??
 
KSTW -> KSCW?

> On this subject, while it's a longshot, I still wonder if
> Seattle's UPN11 might change longtime call KSTW to KSCW
> after the changeover. The latter is an open callsign.
>

You're right; it's a long shot. OK, make that slim and none.

K Seattle Tacoma Washington

Replace the "T" and you can be sure there will be people around Tacoma that will get their noses severely out of joint. They'll get over it after a while, but would you really want the bad publicity? I don't think it'll be as easy as "Protest over here, under our KSCW sign."

If they land the CW affiliation and decide to change calls to incorporate "CW" they'll need to make it neutral.<P ID="signature">______________
Dave</P>
 
Re: KSTW -> KSCW?

> > On this subject, while it's a longshot, I still wonder if
> > Seattle's UPN11 might change longtime call KSTW to KSCW
> > after the changeover. The latter is an open callsign.
> >
>
> You're right; it's a long shot. OK, make that slim and none.
>
>
> K Seattle Tacoma Washington
>
> Replace the "T" and you can be sure there will be people
> around Tacoma that will get their noses severely out of
> joint. They'll get over it after a while, but would you
> really want the bad publicity?

With all due resepct, I highly doubt that people would get so out of shape over a set of tv call letters. You know? I think people have more important things on thier minds these days, (like shelling out $50 to fill the tank of their SUV).
 
KSTW's Original Call Letters

> Hasn't Seattle/Tacoma's Channel 11 been known as KSTW since
> the 1950's??
>
I believe CH. 11's original call letters were KTNT back in the 50's & 60's. As I recall the call letters were changed to KSTW in the early 70's.<P ID="signature">______________
"I look out for me and mine."-Capt. Malcom "Mal" Reynolds in Serenity</P>
 
CW name change?

> > Hasn't Seattle/Tacoma's Channel 11 been known as KSTW
> since
> > the 1950's??
> >
> I believe CH. 11's original call letters were KTNT back in
> the 50's & 60's. As I recall the call letters were changed
> to KSTW in the early 70's.
>

Didn't someone report soon after the new CW story broke, that the CW name was only going to be temporary? That doesn't seem likely now that there are so many callsign changes. Any ideas?
 
Re: KSTW -> KSCW?

> With all due resepct, I highly doubt that people would get
> so out of shape over a set of tv call letters. You know? I
> think people have more important things on thier minds these
> days, (like shelling out $50 to fill the tank of their SUV).
>

You'd be surprised. Never underestimate the ability of some people to take offense at the most trivial of matters. Especially when civic pride is at stake. Why do you think the Phoenix Cardinals had to change their name to the Arizona Cardinals? And don't even think of naming a team the Minneapolis xxxxxxxxx!

Yes, even for something as seemingly trivial as a set of call letters, although as I said before, the issue would eventually die down.

OT side note:

I have no sympathy for anyone shelling out $50 to fill the tank of their SUV. Did they really think gas was going to be 99 cents/gal forever?<P ID="signature">______________
Dave</P>
 
Hi everyone:

> On this subject, while it's a longshot, I still wonder if
> Seattle's UPN11 might change longtime call KSTW to KSCW
> after the changeover. The latter is an open callsign.

Not gonna because Tribune doesn't own that station and in order for KSTW to get the CW as per the agreement with CBS, Tribune would have to buy it (and doing that would mean dumping Q13 beforehand to keep the feds off their back).

The CW will go on Ch. 22 in Seattle (the current WB affiliate) and KSTW 11 will revert back to being an Indie.

Cheers :)

Pat
<P ID="signature">______________
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http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/
Radio? Uhh.....What's THAT?? :)</P>
 
Re: KSTW's Original Call Letters

> I believe CH. 11's original call letters were KTNT back in
> the 50's & 60's. As I recall the call letters were changed
> to KSTW in the early 70's.

The KTNT call letters reflected the original owners of the station: The Tacoma News-Tribune. When they sold the station to Gaylord Broadcasting in 1974, the call letters were changed to KSTW.
 
> Not gonna because Tribune doesn't own that station and in
> order for KSTW to get the CW as per the agreement with CBS,
> Tribune would have to buy it (and doing that would mean
> dumping Q13 beforehand to keep the feds off their back).
>
> The CW will go on Ch. 22 in Seattle (the current WB
> affiliate) and KSTW 11 will revert back to being an Indie.

You might want to read the press releases announcing the new network before you make this sort of statement, because you are 100% wrong.

In markets which have both a Tribune-owned WB station and a CBS-owned UPN station, the two groups decided to split the different -- Tribune gets the CW in some markets, CBS in others. This deal was made public the day that the CW was unveiled...and made clear that CBS-owned KSTW is getting the CW in the Seattle/Tacoma market.
 
Re: KSTW -> KSCW?

Well considering that Channel 11(and also Channel 13) are licensed to Tacoma and not Seattle, it may cause a bit of a stir.

"Second Cities" like Baltimore (to DC) St Paul (To Minneapolis), Fort Worth (to Dallas), Oakland and San Jose (to San Francisco) to name a few are pretty sensitive to having their city named "yanked" out of things.

Not that they could do anything about it.<P ID="signature">______________
Once I figured out the meaning of life....Then I forgot to write it down.</P>
 
> Not gonna because Tribune doesn't own that station and in
> order for KSTW to get the CW as per the agreement with CBS,
> Tribune would have to buy it (and doing that would mean
> dumping Q13 beforehand to keep the feds off their back).
>
> The CW will go on Ch. 22 in Seattle (the current WB
> affiliate) and KSTW 11 will revert back to being an Indie.

WRONG!

KSTW will be the official CW affil for Seattle come September 2006. KTWB will become a indie.
 
Re: CW name change? / KSTW calls

> > I believe CH. 11's original call letters were KTNT back in
> > the 50's & 60's. As I recall the call letters were changed
> > to KSTW in the early 70's.

Indeed... which makes me wonder: if they were at all keen on billing themselves as a Tacoma station, why did they pick "KSTW" over "KTSW" and have Seattle come first? Was the latter already used on another station at that point? (I just checked the FCC database, and no TV stations are currently using the KTSW calls.)

The thing is, it's just a callsign. KSTW (like so many others) doesn't really mention theirs on-air anymore, save for a tiny legal ID. I doubt there'd be outrage against changing those calls to KSCW or whatever else they might pick, as discussed in the other branch of the thread. Face it, callsigns just aren't as high-profile as names for pro sports teams. And I'm sure that, of those who do know that the station's calls are KSTW, a lot of them still haven't put two and two together and figured out the calls' meaning.

And considering that, nowadays, KSTW is no more a Tacoma station than, say, KIRO or KING, the fact that its calls contain a "T" for Tacoma (or that "Tacoma" comes before "Seattle" in the legal ID) means absolutely squat.

> Didn't someone report soon after the new CW story broke,
> that the CW name was only going to be temporary? That
> doesn't seem likely now that there are so many callsign
> changes. Any ideas?

I should hope that they're not gonna stick with a name as god-awful as "the CW".<P ID="signature">______________
Derek
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.tvvancouver.cjb.net>TV.Vancouver</a>: Covering TV stations in Vancouver, BC</P>
 
Correction

> In addition, LIN's Low Power on Channel 28 in Hartford took
> the call sign WXCW-CA.

That LPTV is in Springfield, MA. The COL just says Hartford, the TX is up in the Holyoke Mountains somewhere.

(It's north-east of the main tower cluster)
 
Re: KSTW -> KSCW?

> Well considering that Channel 11(and also Channel 13) are
> licensed to Tacoma and not Seattle, it may cause a bit of a
> stir.
>
> "Second Cities" like Baltimore (to DC) St Paul (To
> Minneapolis), Fort Worth (to Dallas), Oakland and San Jose
> (to San Francisco) to name a few are pretty sensitive to
> having their city named "yanked" out of things.
>
> Not that they could do anything about it.
>
Good Grief! They run KSTW out of a small office in a suburb between Seattle and Tacoma. Who actually cares about call letters these days? I bet most people couldn't remember station call letters.

BTW, Seattle/Tacoma may be an exception because most of the stations have pronoucable names (e.g. KING/KONG/KOMO/KIRO) and the newscasts actually branded with the stations' call letters (i.e. KING 5 News, KOMO 4 News, KIRO 7 News, KING 5 News on KONG 6/16, even Q13 News at 10 for KCPQ).
 
Re: KSTW -> KSCW?

You're kidding? Somebody at KING TV was actually cute enough to come with idea of having a sister station named KONG?

I'm glad there's not a KYIN and KYNG, or a KBRT and KRNE somewhere...

> > Well considering that Channel 11(and also Channel 13) are
> > licensed to Tacoma and not Seattle, it may cause a bit of
> a
> > stir.
> >
> > "Second Cities" like Baltimore (to DC) St Paul (To
> > Minneapolis), Fort Worth (to Dallas), Oakland and San Jose
>
> > (to San Francisco) to name a few are pretty sensitive to
> > having their city named "yanked" out of things.
> >
> > Not that they could do anything about it.
> >
> Good Grief! They run KSTW out of a small office in a suburb
> between Seattle and Tacoma. Who actually cares about call
> letters these days? I bet most people couldn't remember
> station call letters.
>
> BTW, Seattle/Tacoma may be an exception because most of the
> stations have pronoucable names (e.g. KING/KONG/KOMO/KIRO)
> and the newscasts actually branded with the stations' call
> letters (i.e. KING 5 News, KOMO 4 News, KIRO 7 News, KING 5
> News on KONG 6/16, even Q13 News at 10 for KCPQ).
>
 
Re: KSTW -> KSCW?

> BTW, Seattle/Tacoma may be an exception because most of the
> stations have pronoucable names (e.g. KING/KONG/KOMO/KIRO)
> and the newscasts actually branded with the stations' call
> letters (i.e. KING 5 News, KOMO 4 News, KIRO 7 News, KING 5
> News on KONG 6/16, even Q13 News at 10 for KCPQ).

Actually KIRO-7's newscast title is "KIRO 7 Eyewitness News".
 
Re: KSTW -> KSCW?

> You're kidding? Somebody at KING TV was actually cute enough
> to come with idea of having a sister station named KONG?
>
> I'm glad there's not a KYIN and KYNG, or a KBRT and KRNE
> somewhere...
>

For many years in Arizona, KOOL-TV in Phoenix and KOLD-TV in Tucson were co-owned CBS affiliates. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Gene Autry's ownership group that changed Tucson's KOPO-TV to KOLD-TV in the 1950s?

To answer formeraa's point about people not remembering call letters, that's true in many cases. But when somebody wants to be offended, it's amazing what trivial matters they can latch on to.

Then again, if call letters are so unimportant, why are we talking about call letters incorporating "CW" anyway?

It's a crazy world; somebody oughtta sell tickets. :)<P ID="signature">______________
Dave</P>
 
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