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Cleveland's ESPN 1540/1300?

We now know affirmatively that Roger Brown reads both this board and Ohio Media Watch. We discussed this idea of a split 1540/1300 ESPN affil over a month ago, shortly after the 1540 purchase was announced.

If Roger's going to blatantly rely on the informed and well-reasoned opinions of those of us here and at OMW who discuss such things, I wish he'd (a) cite us, and/or (b) come out of the closet and register a username.

This "word is" crap is getting old. If we said it, source us. If Mike Luczak says it, source him. If Ronnie duncan says it, source him. If Chuck Booms says it, source him.

Ruses like that only work if you actually have a secret source. Roger's "sources" have been open about this for weeks.

And one more thing--way to be timely there Rog.
 
Believe it or not, I'm going to cut Roger a break here. :D

For one, he has one trump card in this situation. He reported the interest of Mr. Karmazin entering the Cleveland market long before anyone.

OK, so he was wrong about the stations - he was talking about Craig buying either WKNR/850 or WWMK/1260. But Karmazin's name got mentioned in his column first, long before any of us talked about it.

It's reasonable to assume that he has a source somehow connected to him, if not Karmazin himself.

The 1300 speculation - which OMW brought up weeks ago - is reasonable to assume, considering what his Milwaukee outlet does on 1290. If Roger is just repeating our speculation, he's a bit late in doing so.
 
If it is true that WABQ will be handling the daytime broadcasts of ESPN radio, then WABQ needs to upgrade their signal. Right now, it is 1,000 watts (high on the dial where you need more power to get out) transmitting from a tiny little tower in a bone dry (not good for AM) area behind a church on Euclid Avenue near Cleveland Clinic.

This makes for a very good inner city signal, but WABQ drops off pretty fast when you get into even the close-in suburbs.

I wonder if WABQ's transmitter and antenna could move, up power, directionalize, and cover greater Cleveland better. They would still be day-only, but I don't know how this ESPN deal is going to work with their present limited signal.
 
HHH, welcome back.. Long time, no posting.

I think your questions, along with others posted here, cry out for an answer by the chief engineer of WABQ who posts here from time to time.

Chris, we need you!!!
 
Chris has a lot of solid information.

We've kicked this around before, between myself, Chris, Scott Fybush and others who actually know what they're talking about (i.e. those two and others, not me :D)...

The upshot is that any upgrade to WABQ would have to be a narrow directional signal and they really couldn't get a lot out of it. My own guess at their best shot would involve taking 1540/Uhrichsville and 1540/Niles dark, neither of which seems possible, and shooting north into the lake from south of Cleveland. That still doesn't solve their east/west problems, though.

I didn't get the idea from talking to Mr. Quinn that he's involved in the process at all. He doesn't seem to expect to be kept on by the new ownership at WABQ. He has been a big help in defining the current parameters, and possible upgrade potential, of 1540.
 
If the 1540's in Niles and Urichsville went dark (presumably Karmazin could buy them), a daytime signal upgrade could be undoubtedly done. The greater problem will still remain.... daytime only status. Among the problems is CHIN Toronto's 30kw nighttime signal pointed right at Cleveland.... plus some possible adjacent channel issues with 1550 in Windsor and 1530 in Cincinnati.

If Karmazin wants to be a contender, he's going to need a better stick.
 
SonoSational18 said:
If the 1540's in Niles and Urichsville went dark (presumably Karmazin could buy them), a daytime signal upgrade could be undoubtedly done. The greater problem will still remain.... daytime only status. Among the problems is CHIN Toronto's 30kw nighttime signal pointed right at Cleveland.... plus some possible adjacent channel issues with 1550 in Windsor and 1530 in Cincinnati.

If Karmazin wants to be a contender, he's going to need a better stick.

All of that noise above tells me that they'll probably end up aiming directional north into as much of Greater Cleveland as they can hit...but in my non-technical head, the pattern looks roughly similar to what WCUE/1150 Cuyahoga Falls squeezes out, adjusted for where those other stations are.

Not really competitive, in other words, and probably cutting out some of the farther west and east suburbs.

Karmazin likely believes his rumored 7 PM-6 AM LMA possibility with WERE would "fix" his nighttime problems, despite the overlap problems we discussed earlier. (I hope ESPN's Mike and Mike don't mind not being heard until 7:45 AM in the winter, for one...)

The best possible solution would be for him to end up on 1260, but I see no evidence Disney/ABC would even swap out for a station with its own affiliation. RD is on 24/7 sticks, period, and they would not live with the 2 station solution that Karmazin would.
 
I keep reading all this speculation about improving 1540 WABQ's signal so
I thought it was time to post here and put an end to all these "what if"
scenarios. As WABQ's Chief Engineer, I have been involved in extensive
signal improvement studies. The fact remains that no matter what is done
with the daytime signal, WABQ will never be a 24/7 operation. That is because the protected 50% nighttime skywave signal contour of KXEL 1540
in Waterloo, Iowa, falls on the east side of Cuyahoga County at the Lake
County line. WABQ's transmitter would have to be located even further east
for night operation at micro (1-5 watts) power level. At that point, there is
NO way that WABQ would cover its city of license (CLE) with that signal.
While not totally impossible, I do not see KXEL being willing to negotiate to
go to a lower power level than their 50 KW blowtorch just so WABQ could
stay on with a few negligable nighttime watts at their current location.
Now the daytime situation. AM stations have to worry about co-channel
(same frequency) stations, and both lower and upper 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
adjacent channel stations. This means 1510, 1520, 1530, 1540, 1550, 1560, and 1570 all have to be taken into account protection wise.
Co-channel stations on 1540 to be considered are WRTK Niles, WBTC Uhrichsville, and WBCO Bucyrus, all in Ohio. WECZ in Punxsutawney, PA, and CHIN Toronto are both far enough away as not not be a problem. For
co-channel stations WABQ's 0.5 mV level cannot touch their 0.025 mV level
and vice versa. There is already negotiated interference overlap between WABQ and WRTK and WBTC. NO additional interference would be allowed.
WBCO is directional and has a null towards Cleveland so they are not a
major problem. To move WABQ's transmitter south from where it is now,
you would have to 1) buy both WRTK and WBTC and take them dark (which I doubt will happen) 2) find a reasonably sized piece of property
(probably 6-12 acres) not hampered by zoning restrictions, and 3) design
and build a directional antenna system which will fill all protection requirements. This would be an EXTREMELY expensive project. On both
1510 and 1570, WABQ's 25mV signal contour cannot touch the same signal
level on those stations. The closest 1510 is WLKR in Norwalk and 1570 is
WANR in Warren. Both are far enough away as not to be a problem. 1520
and 1560 cannot have their 5mV contour touched by WABQ's 5mV signal.
Any transmitter move would have to consider WJMP 1520 in Kent because
their main lobe beams slightly west of north up towards Cleveland. Since
WATJ in Chardon went silent a few years ago, the closest 1560 is now WTOD in Toledo which would not be a problem. That leaves 1530 and 1550. WABQ's 0.25mV contour cannot touch those stations 0.5 mV signal
and vice versa. On 1530 stations to be considered are WYNE Mercyhurst,PA,
WLSP Lapeer, MI, and WCKY Cincinnati. While these stations don't present
a problem currently, any move of WABQ's transmitter would require a
re-analysis of signal contour levels. Finally, and probably the biggest daytime problem for WABQ is CBE 1550 from Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
The same signal levels apply to 1550 as to 1530. There is already a signal
overlap with 1550 over Lake Erie and a very small amount over Ontario land
east of Windsor and north from Cleveland. Any improvement to WABQ
would require NO further land interference in Canada. Over the water, it's
acceptable. So you can see from all this, that ANY type of improvement
to WABQ's signal would not only be extremely costly, it'd be a damn miracle!!! I hope this answers everybody's questions once and for all.
Chris Quinn, Chief Engineer
WABQ 1540
Cleveland
member & former Vice-Chairman & Secretary of NE Ohio Chapter 70
Society of Broadcast Engineers
 
Jim Natoli and Family won't sell 1540 WBTC or 95.9 FM WNPQ anytime soon.

1540 is his favorite station to be at all the time.
 
Jim Natoli and Family won't sell 1540 WBTC or 95.9 FM WNPQ anytime soon. 1540 is his favorite station to be at all the time.

Yeah, but isn't Jim Natoli like 90 years old? How much longer can he be around it unless they disturb the ground system with a 6-foot deep hole.
 
Jim Natoli is certainly not a young man.

But it seems rather ghoulish to talk about this. He's around, he's hanging onto the stations, period, from what I've heard.
 
Wasn't Jim a camera man at WKYC at one time? ??? ( Oh now wait....it would be Ghoulish if he was a camera man at WJW from 1964-1967!!!)
 
But it seems rather ghoulish to talk about this. He's around, he's hanging onto the stations, period, from what I've heard.

Not ghoulish... just being realistic. Nobody lives forever. Hate to break the news, but Paul Harvey is probably going to buy the farm sometime soon, too.
 
SonoSational18 said:
Not ghoulish... just being realistic. Nobody lives forever. Hate to break the news, but Paul Harvey is probably going to buy the farm sometime soon, too.

Oh, I know. Reality is reality.

I guess I was put off by talk of what happens to a certain Alliance-based AM/FM combo just days after the owner/patriarch died, even before his funeral!
 
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