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CMF's website

I understand the suits at Entercom have bigger, more important issues on their agenda at the moment. But once they get this WEASE situation under control, they might want to check out the station's website a little more closely.

Being out of the market, I checked for a listen "stream" this morning. No opportunity to listen, but I did notice under the logo at the top of the page, they have a small banner promoting Dave Kane's "Workforce Blocks" and Dino's "Five O'clock Free Ride" among other features.

Oops!
 
I understand the suits at Entercom have bigger, more important issues on their agenda at the moment. But once they get this WEASE situation under control, they might want to check out the station's website a little more closely.

The devil's always in the details. It's likely E'com just plopped more work on the webmaster at no extra pay. He/she will get around to it. Never heard 'CMF streaming. It may have at one time, but...

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So, now the CMF website is "under construction"...

1) Does it mean that WEASE and the station did not come to an agreement and they're redesigning it to remove all references to their "former" morning man?

2) Are they just playing with us and their listeners trying to build the drama and tension (a cheap ratings ploy!) to make us thing WEASE is gone and then in a few days break the news that WEASE is back?

3) Or are they just simply updating the website?

I guess we'll have to wait for the all-knowing John Gault to fill us in.
 
So, now the CMF website is "under construction"...

1) Does it mean that WEASE and the station did not come to an agreement and they're redesigning it to remove all references to their "former" morning man?

There was a lot of flotsam on the CMF site and Entercom may have a standardized template for their stations.

Are they just playing with us and their listeners trying to build the drama and tension (a cheap ratings ploy!) to make us thing WEASE is gone and then in a few days break the news that WEASE is back?

It would be a classic set-up to announce the return of Wease... or Bob & Tom... or Dave Kane or whatever they decide.

Or are they just simply updating the website?

Well, it did need updating, given the changes over the last few weeks.

I guess we'll have to wait for the all-knowing John Gault to fill us in.

He may be busy calculating percentages at the moment... "Let's see... half a loaf or nothing at all... decisions, decisions." Give him time.
 
I have no idea :D

But I will try to find out something.
 
I think Radknowski really does know what he's talking about on this one.

Entercom does indeed have an excellent web presence for their radio stations. I like it a lot. It may be the best out there. They are on it with Podcasts, Direct Marketing, Loaded with up to date content and very customizable. Way beyond the typical medium market church-bulletin style web page.

As to the big "Bob & Tom" announcement, I'd hate to be the GM who put his neck on the line for that pro forma weather forecast.

Even Clear Channel had the sense to know those guys are not Rochester.
 
Tick, Tick, Tick

The clock is running. The book begins tomorrow.

There's no way that Entercom pays Wease "mid 6-figures". If he gets over $200K, he's making more than any other jock in the shrinking WNY market.

If he has another option, it's time for him to exercise it. I don't see his act working anywhere but Rochester, and I don't see Clear Channel taking on that kind of salary at a time when they can't move the stations that they have in the market.

Bob & Tom could be the "replacement for the legend". They buy Entercom time for Wease to discover his "potential", or put together a replacement (Kane & Co. anybody?). If Bob & Tom do OK, problem solved. If they don't, Entercom rides to the rescue with either a sadder but wiser Wease, or a new team of local personalities that offers more music and less prima donna.
 
JohnGault said:
I think Radknowski really does know what he's talking about on this one.
Speaking for those of us who have been here longer than a week... he normally does.
 
"Bob & Tom could be the "replacement for the legend". They buy Entercom time for Wease to discover his "potential", or put together a replacement (Kane & Co. anybody?). If Bob & Tom do OK, problem solved. If they don't, Entercom rides to the rescue with either a sadder but wiser Wease, or a new team of local personalities that offers more music and less prima donna"

IF this happens, and they try a syndicated morning show with no history and no ties to the market to replace a well known and well liked local personality, it shows several things; 1) that local management is not calling the shots, but Philadelphia corporate brass instead; 2) Philly doesn't get the market and thinks the shows they run are replaceable parts, while anyone who's spent time in Rochester knows that homegrown plays even stronger here than in most places--we're kind of like New York City and Boston in that regard; 3) No one in the business outside of the CBS boardroom has learned anything from the disaster of the CBS New York City cluster, which had to be rescued from total destruction after the ousting of similarly iconic programming. That should have been a lesson to major broadcasters everywhere that you don't kill a beloved cash cow, especially while it's still giving you a hell of a lot of milk.

Syndicated doesn't work in morning drive in Rochester. Even a movie-star act like Stern didn't make it. To try it with someone nobody knows...well, we all know what happened to Rover, don't we?

There's also a hell of a big risk that if the mistake persists for any length of time, the WCMF brand will be so poisoned by a move like this, that the damage won't be repairable and the property diminished to little more than stick value.

Makes you wonder, why did they go through so much trouble to buy the thing in the first place when they immediately set about killing the most important revenue stream in the whole CBS Rochester cluster they bought?
 
Replacement

One more time, for those who missed it:

If Entercom & Wease don't come to terms, the replacement doesn't have to be better than Wease. The replacement just has to be better than the competition - and in this case the competition that doesn't belong to Entercom.

The next move by Entercom isn't necessarily the final move. Would you want to be the one taking the flack for replacing Wease? Or, would you like to be the one who "brings live and local radio back to Rochester"?

Nobody lasts forever, and damn few go out on their own terms. Ask Danny Neaverth, Clint Buelhman, or any other legendary morning jock in Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, NY, Boston, LA, or any market you can think of.
 
If Entercom & Wease don't come to terms, the replacement doesn't have to be better than Wease. The replacement just has to be better than the competition

Sorry Roxalot I do think you are somewhat savvy, but that's pretty thin. It might play in Peoria, but will not play in Philadephia, or on WALL STREET. That sounds like the pitch a thrifty manager would make to the suits, hoping he's right. I know a bunch of mangers like that who used to be in Radio.

Bob1370's post was so near dead-on I thought he was me. I assure you he was not though, as I would tweak his thoughts a bit.

David has tried the Bob & Tom like replacement elsewhere with DISASTROUS results. I'm sure he hasn't forgotten. So that edict coming from Philly would surprise me.
 
Field Day

John, I'm sure that the salary structure at 'CMF surprised David Field. I also doubt that WALL STREET would find the salaries at 'CMF acceptable in Market #54, especially since they've had one really good book in the last couple of years - and a summer book at that.

One other thought... Nobody says that they HAVE to keep 'CMF. They have to spin off three FMs. I doubt that there'd be a problem if they decided to substitute 'CMF for WRRM. Yes, it would need federal approval, but that's why Entercom has lawyers.
 
The following is a complete conspiracy theory by someone who works in radio currently, and is paranoid (cough me)

I just really think the higher ups don't look at it like "Well, Wease brings in a lot of cash, so lets really try and work something out..." I really believe it goes more like this... "Well, Wease brings in a lot of cash, but think of how much we can save yearly if we 86 him and the rest of his staff! Then we can have a cheaper, syndicated substitution, so what it doesn't bring in AS much as Wease, we still make up for it with all the money we save..." The LESS is MORE crap still lingers in the mind of corporate radio, as much as it failed for Clear Channel, in dwindling markets like Rochester, it seems corporations still practice this theory in hopes to "cut there loses"

I guess I just don't have enough faith in common sense. Then again, what you and I on the "content" side see, is completely different then a suit would see looking at numbers on a piece of paper. If Wease was really bringing in enough money to justify his out of control salary, would CBS had sold the cluster? Doubt it... Looking at that salary you'd think the guy was syndicated in at least 3 markets, regionally... And sure, that might have been the idea at some point, but clearly it didn't work out... and now Entercom is coming into a situation where they are going to look at Money In vs. Money Out... and I just don't think Wease brings in enough money to make over 100k a year anymore let alone the astronomical amount he recieved previous...

I could just be stating the obvious here, but I just thought I'd share my two cents since I often read but rarely post...
 
SSkub:

David Field is actually quite smart, not dim at all. Yes it is a classic case of hardball. Yes it is about numbers, but cash flow is king, and anything that interrupts it won't be done on purpose.

CBS sold all non major markets as part of corporate strategy . Eventually CBS may sell all radio. Right now it needs the cash flow.
 
"I just really think the higher ups don't look at it like "Well, Wease brings in a lot of cash, so lets really try and work something out..." I really believe it goes more like this... "Well, Wease brings in a lot of cash, but think of how much we can save yearly if we 86 him and the rest of his staff! Then we can have a cheaper, syndicated substitution, so what it doesn't bring in AS much as Wease, we still make up for it with all the money we save..."

Ask FORMER CBS Radio Division chief Joel Hollander how well that strategy worked out in the markets where he tried it. That's why their clusters in places like NYC crashed, and tens of millions in billing vanished...and that's why Les Moonves tied the can to him and he's out of a job.

Ask his successor, Dan Mason, how well things worked out when he completely undid the damage, opened up the company checkbook and brought back live and local personality programming. Can you say, "doubled billing, tripled ratings and top-5 ranking 12+ and 25-54", kids?

Some folks don't learn from the example of others who've tried and failed...they seem to have the urge to make the same mistakes for themselves for the same reasons. Go down this road far enough, and you're only a short distance from a "for sale" sign on the door, with the powers that be happy to get stick value...because without Wease and his morning show, there really isn't a whole lot left to pull money into WCMF any more, the rest of the bench has either been cleared or may soon be. The only way this makes any sense is for TPTB to have changed plans, and decided to let both CMF and PXY (which they've decimated staff-wise) go to other buyers, to keep the Feds happy while holding on to Warm 101.3.
 
Long Look

Please note that Dan Mason did not bring back the original WNBC staff, and indications are that the current staff is not being paid at the same level as the old (in more ways than one) WNBC staff.

Today's WNBC is not the WNBC of old. If the old WNBC had be reformatted to resemble today's WNBC, there would have been howls of protest - much as there are still howls of protest that the "new" WNBC isn't the "old" WNBC. The difference is that the majority of listeners are happy to have a "taste" of the old WNBC, while the station has improved its 25-54 demos considerably.

If you want to talk Machiavellian Conspiracy Theories, it's possible that Entercom perceives 'CMF as an old and tired classic rock station built around a single, aging personality. They may actually be looking at the long run, and intend to blow it up, give people a chance to miss it, then bring it back in an updated form with some original elements - just like WNBC.

Classic Rock as we know it is coming to its day of reckoning. The demos are getting older - too much older. The format has to evolve toward a younger audience, just as the Oldies format evolved toward Classic Hits. Entercom may have made the decision to bite the bullet in the short term in order to rebuild the station for the long term. Dropping a couple of million into Wease's lap ain't part of the plan.
 
Ooops!

BTW, that should be WCBS-FM in the post above, not WNBC. Brain fart on my part, and you can't go back and edit a post if more than a few minutes has elapsed since you hit the "Post" button.
 
SirRoxalot
Classic Rock as we know it is coming to its day of reckoning
Now you stepped in it.

Classic Rock is younger than oldies, and just as loyal. The point Bob1370 was making is that it turns out that blowing up oldies was misguided. Not only that, but Dan Mason undid damage not just at one radio station, but throughout the company, reversing the crammed down cookie cutter ideas led by Hollander. The previous poster was referring to Masons undoing of pie in the sky cost saving moves that caused CBS revenues to tank.

The PPM is incredibly kind to WCBS-FM, and also to Classic Rock. Baby Boomers will probably be the biggest audience Terrestrial Radio ever has. The future after that will be Internet.

Advertisers will increasingly crave younger demos, but they will get them anywhere but old fashioned radio.

I do hope that if you hold any position of authority in this business, you work for my competitors. The problem with your ideas is that they are driven by your emotion, with all the strategy of "checkers" in a "chess game".
 
Gamesmanship

JohnGault said:
The PPM is incredibly kind to WCBS-FM, and also to Classic Rock. Baby Boomers will probably be the biggest audience Terrestrial Radio ever has. The future after that will be Internet.

Advertisers will increasingly crave younger demos, but they will get them anywhere but old fashioned radio.

I do hope that if you hold any position of authority in this business, you work for my competitors. The problem with your ideas is that they are driven by your emotion, with all the strategy of "checkers" in a "chess game".

Mr. Gault, please fill us in on your exalted position in the industry. How about showing us your credentials before you expect us to take your judgements as fact, not just another opinion.

First of all, Oldies is toast. The new CBS-FM bears about as much resemblance to the old CBS-FM as a BMW 325 resembles a '65 Mustang. Even they know that they're Classic Hits, not Oldies. The music is decades newer in its focus. If you've looked at a rating book recently, you'll find that the primary demos for Classic Rock are 45+. Unless the music shifts to newer decades, which will alienate older listeners, 25-54 numbers will fade in the coming years.

It has been discussed at length why Baby Boomers are the biggest audience for terrestrial radio. They grew up with radio as their most immediate source of music and information. Corporate radio has abandoned younger demos, concentrating on short term revenue gains, with no thought about the long term. Not only that, the "iPodization" of radio formats (see Jack) has removed the element of relatable air personalities from the equation, reducing the added value that radio offered in the past. Boomers still listen to radio out of habit. Youngsters have no reason to get into the habit.

Recording techology is nothing new. The average MP3 is recorded at such a low bitrate that it's probably not much better fidelity than a cassette. Yes, an MP3 player can hold more music, but it still requires you to load up all that music, and add new music while blowing out stuff that you no longer want to hear. In other words, it requires time, expertise, and access to new music. Even with all that, you still don't find out about new music unless somebody introduces you to it. Radio survived other recording technologies because it offered something (besides commercials) in addition to the music.

Some terrestrial radio stations still offer more than just music. In many cases, you'll find them at the top of the ratings list. Sooner or later, after some of the "geniuses" follow Hollander's crash and burn path to obscurity, radio will again reinvent itself - as it did in the '40s with the advent of high-fidelity recording technology, in the '50s with the advent of TV, in the '70s with the advent of FM, and in the '90s with the advent of reliable digital technology. It will again become relevant, ubiquitous, and relatable to the young people of today who'll be saddled with jobs, families, homes, and all the other accoutrements of "growing up" that will eat up the time they have to dedicate to loading MP3 players.

Radio is a delivery system, with widely available inexpensive receiver technology that has a vast installed user base. Even today, Arbitron shows that the majority of younger demos still sample radio. Their TSL is down because the product doesn't serve them. Advertisers will still want 25-54s in ten years, and smart programmers will find a way to attract them to terrestrial radio.

Yes, other techologies are coming. WiFi Internet access is spreading like a virus that Dopie and Agony could only dream of. Cellular and old-line phone companies will use WiMax to extend high-speed Internet to an ever-widening group of people. Yet with all that availability, there are still problems to solve.

How do you make Internet radio pay? Subscriptions? HAH. Advertising? Show me an independent Internet radio station that makes money. And, we haven't even talked about the geniuses at the RIAA and Future of Music Coalition's attempt to price Internet delivery out of the market.

Who's best positioned to provide content - especially live and local content - to Internet listeners? Gee, that would be terrestrial radio stations, who already have content, sales forces, traffic departments, and the people required to handle the myriad "little things" required to create a profitable enterprise.

John, perhaps the suits need to invest a little emotion into their decisions, and stop treating radio stations like real estate that they buy low, cut costs, pump up the bottom line, then sell before it crashes because they destroyed the foundation. Perhaps they need to realize that their real product isn't "the next format", but the relationships that some talent are capable of building with listeners. Perhaps they need to understand that syndication, voice-tracking, and jockless formats are not in their best interests in the long term.

BTW, with your point of view, why SHOULD Entercom pay Wease twice the going rate for the market if terrestrial radio is in decline anyway? Your POV is that revenues are going to fall, so why commit to a long-term deal that will become more onerous as time goes on.

I realize that Wease is a talent - in Rochester at least - and that I'm advocating paying talent. I also realize that CBS built the entire radio station around Wease - much as a number of stations built themselves around Stern when he was syndicated on terrestrial radio. I believe that Wease, at this stage of his career, has declined in popularity, and that he's not worth what they paid him 10 years ago. On top of that, he's aging, has had health problems, and is rumored to have a few other problems that are likely to cause significant stress in the coming years. Stress ain't good for guys in Wease's shape. Not only that, he really has limited options in the market.

As I said before, he held CBS's feet to the fire during the last negotiation. This time around, karma has come back to bite him in the ass. His options are much more limited, and his pay is likely to be as well.
 
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