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C'mon WTAM

Isn't it about time you removed Glenn from your WTAM.com streaming fill promos?

Apparently Metheny's quest to rid Oak Tree of all such references wasn't complete enough.
 
Whatever. I think there should be more TrivStar spots.


> Isn't it about time you removed Glenn from your WTAM.com
> streaming fill promos?
>
> Apparently Metheny's quest to rid Oak Tree of all such
> references wasn't complete enough.
>
 
Triv star reports are another indication that his show needs writers..b/c that bit is absolutely terrible. People always send in terrible bits they hear on their local radio into opie and anthony - they would have a field day with Triv's stuff. Good show, but terrible bits.
 
> Isn't it about time you removed Glenn from your WTAM.com
> streaming fill promos?
>
> Apparently Metheny's quest to rid Oak Tree of all such
> references wasn't complete enough.
>

Hey, anything to shamelessly help out both WHLO and WEOL. Maybe Pig Virus/Vomit doesn't know this, or he doesn't want to let people in on Jerry's *dismal* ratings on WTAM..

[ sarcasm mode off... ]

- nate81
<P ID="signature">______________
Nathan Obral
University Partnership Representative: LCCC Student Senate, Elyria, Ohio

Soon-to-be-webmaster - http://www.lcccradio.com</P>
 
> Triv star reports are another indication that his show needs
> writers..b/c that bit is absolutely terrible. People always
> send in terrible bits they hear on their local radio into
> opie and anthony - they would have a field day with Triv's
> stuff. Good show, but terrible bits.
>
the triv star bits take a humorous look at what's happening in cleveland-ie the browns losing a game they could have won--using the format of gm's onstar ads. since rado does most of the voiceover for trivstar, he does need to tighten his editing. nonetheless, may of the trivstar bots are a real howl--david5258
 
> Hey, anything to shamelessly help out both WHLO and WEOL.
> Maybe Pig Virus/Vomit doesn't know this, or he doesn't want
> to let people in on Jerry's *dismal* ratings on WTAM..

And obviously you know lots about the business.
 
> > Hey, anything to shamelessly help out both WHLO and WEOL.
> > Maybe Pig Virus/Vomit doesn't know this, or he doesn't
> want
> > to let people in on Jerry's *dismal* ratings on WTAM..
>
> And obviously you know lots about the business.
>

Hey, I should have put in the disclaimer here that I was SARCASTIC. I wasn't serious here. And THANKS for challenging my knowledge about the market and the business. That was real fun.

All I'll say w/o my brain up my butt is this: WTAM dumped Glenn Beck for Jerry Springer. Why, I don't know. The ratings for Jerry's first book were terrible, and if they don't improve, he will be WTAM's albatross.

I doubt his ratings will improve, because Jerry's show isn't good. Which makes Glenn Beck spots on WTAM's stream f*ing hilarious. Will Methany learn his lesson? I doubt it.

- nate81<P ID="signature">______________
Nathan Obral
University Partnership Representative: LCCC Student Senate, Elyria, Ohio

Soon-to-be-webmaster - http://www.lcccradio.com</P>
 
> All I'll say w/o my brain up my butt is this: WTAM dumped
> Glenn Beck for Jerry Springer. Why, I don't know. The
> ratings for Jerry's first book were terrible, and if they
> don't improve, he will be WTAM's albatross.

I'm more than willing to let the jury have two or three full ratings books on this one...as I've said before, if ANY station can make Jerry work in middays without tanking the place, it's WTAM. They could put "Traffic and Weather Together On The 10s, 20/20 Sports, Surrounded By Elephant Noises" on and still get a 4 share.

(No, that isn't a shot at Triv. :D)

(Elephants at least don't eat in front of an open microphone, as far as I know.)

Anyway, the biggest problem I have with the move is that Jerry is just NOT THAT GOOD. Even for the core audience, which has to find him on the same station that carries Rush Limbaugh, he's not all that good. He's better than he was on day one, but that didn't take much...and frankly, sometimes he sounds bored.

I'm not a huge fan of him, but if it were someone like an Ed Schultz instead of Springer, or someone who can at least uphold the radio end of doing a talk show, WTAM may have a better shot at this "liberal/conservative" mix. If Jerry Springer were Jerry Smith, and wasn't the host of the popular TV sleazefest, he doesn't have this show. If Jerry Springer weren't offered by Clear Channel, and have some name recognition here in Ohio, he wouldn't be on 1100.

All that said, it'll be interesting to see if 'TAM can pull it off.

I'll note this - remember last book, when sister talk WHLO/640 Akron appeared in Cleveland's ratings (12-plus full day) for the first time in memory? They're back in Summer '05, with a slight uptick.

OK, so it's still down at the bottom, and it's not like 640 is tearing up the Cleveland market. But it would appear possible that Beck listeners in the Cleveland market followed him to Akron in larger numbers...that's just a guess on my part. In those infamous 12-plus vanity numbers (disclaimers all over), WHLO got a higher number than any other Akron station, including WNIR and WONE, which both make semi-regular appearances at the bottom of the Cleveland book...

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
> > All I'll say w/o my brain up my butt is this: WTAM dumped
> > Glenn Beck for Jerry Springer. Why, I don't know. The
> > ratings for Jerry's first book were terrible, and if they
> > don't improve, he will be WTAM's albatross.
>
> I'm more than willing to let the jury have two or three full
> ratings books on this one...as I've said before, if ANY
> station can make Jerry work in middays without tanking the
> place, it's WTAM. They could put "Traffic and Weather
> Together On The 10s, 20/20 Sports, Surrounded By Elephant
> Noises" on and still get a 4 share.

Don't forget the horrific eight minute spotload. "LIM," my butt.

> Anyway, the biggest problem I have with the move is that
> Jerry is just NOT THAT GOOD. Even for the core audience,
> which has to find him on the same station that carries Rush
> Limbaugh, he's not all that good. He's better than he was
> on day one, but that didn't take much...and frankly,
> sometimes he sounds bored.
>
> I'm not a huge fan of him, but if it were someone like an Ed
> Schultz instead of Springer, or someone who can at least
> uphold the radio end of doing a talk show, WTAM may have a
> better shot at this "liberal/conservative" mix. If Jerry
> Springer were Jerry Smith, and wasn't the host of the
> popular TV sleazefest, he doesn't have this show. If Jerry
> Springer weren't offered by Clear Channel, and have some
> name recognition here in Ohio, he wouldn't be on 1100.

That's really what has me dubious about Jerry's chances of succeeding on WTAM, period. And I agree: if there was an Ed Schultz in this spot - or even a Randi Rhodes - then WTAM would win, running away. Just think, of all the people they could have sought to replace Glenn, they got Jerry?

And if it WAS a corporate move, then I have to focus the same wrath I've laid on Feec and Luczak of late and place it on WTAM's Methany and Davis. They are THAT powerless and unimaginative?
[ *rhetotical question* ]

> All that said, it'll be interesting to see if 'TAM can pull
> it off.

If they DO, I'll walk to the Oaktree Compound and (with security clearance, of course) apologize to Kevin Methany right then and there. No muss, no fuss - because he will have achieved the impossible.

That being said, I'd like to see WTAM going the local route if Jerry tanks. First off, the time needed to see this though will not justify Glenn returning, especially if he gets decent followings at WHLO and WEOL. Plus, WTAM needs to actually air a *real* local weekday talk show sometime in this millenium...

> I'll note this - remember last book, when sister talk
> WHLO/640 Akron appeared in Cleveland's ratings (12-plus full
> day) for the first time in memory? They're back in Summer
> '05, with a slight uptick.
>
> OK, so it's still down at the bottom, and it's not like 640
> is tearing up the Cleveland market. But it would appear
> possible that Beck listeners in the Cleveland market
> followed him to Akron in larger numbers...that's just a
> guess on my part. In those infamous 12-plus vanity numbers
> (disclaimers all over), WHLO got a higher number than any
> other Akron station, including WNIR and WONE, which both
> make semi-regular appearances at the bottom of the Cleveland
> book...

I'd also note that WHLO's signal, while decent in Avon, is really aimed -- away -- from Cleveland, in an upside-down mushroom shaped signal. Come nighttime in the winter, say bye-bye to 640.

That reason alone is why I see WHLO's performence as astounding. It's one thing to try to turn in to a local station with a miserable signal (re: WERE/1300). But to listen in to a station from another market with an equally bad signal in your area, and that says something.

- nate81<P ID="signature">______________
Nathan Obral
University Partnership Representative: LCCC Student Senate, Elyria, Ohio

Soon-to-be-webmaster - http://www.lcccradio.com</P>
 
WTAM, Middays and Libtalk

> That's really what has me dubious about Jerry's chances of
> succeeding on WTAM, period. And I agree: if there was an Ed
> Schultz in this spot - or even a Randi Rhodes - then WTAM
> would win, running away. Just think, of all the people they
> could have sought to replace Glenn, they got Jerry?

Well, if they did really think there was a need to "turn left" in middays (which I don't think was their focus), neither of the above hosts are available 9-noon without doing nearly a full-day tape delay.

And as much as I like and listen to Stephanie Miller on Akron's WARF/1350 in that slot (for the same reason I check in with Beck on WHLO/640 in the same slot), I don't think she'd work in the hammock between Wills and Coleman, and Rush...primarily for that reason. Both Schultz and Rhodes are more compatible, show-style wise, and Schultz often gets called the "most Rush sound-alike" in the libtalk field.

No, I don't think the move was driven by ideological "we need to get a liberal talker on to tap that market" reasons. I don't think it happens in any other universe than getting the name "Jerry Springer" on the air.

> And if it WAS a corporate move, then I have to focus the
> same wrath I've laid on Feec and Luczak of late and place it
> on WTAM's Methany and Davis. They are THAT powerless and
> unimaginative?
> [ *rhetotical question* ]

I still can't figure out why Beck's reported double-digit share was allowed to walk. But I don't have the ratings books in front of me, so I can't second-guess what happened on Oak Tree.

(BTW, you'll notice I don't get involved in the Q104 discussion, mostly for the same reason...though I have much better experience and grounding in news/talk radio than Hot AC...)

I don't think it's a CC corporate move for at least one reason - the company hasn't placed Springer on a significant number of its "mainstream" talkers. In fact, I believe a CC talker in the Sarasota/Bradenton, FL market is the only other non-libtalker carrying Springer.

> That being said, I'd like to see WTAM going the local route
> if Jerry tanks. First off, the time needed to see this
> though will not justify Glenn returning, especially if he
> gets decent followings at WHLO and WEOL. Plus, WTAM needs to
> actually air a *real* local weekday talk show sometime in
> this millenium...

Making the assumption that the Springer Experiment won't pan out long term - I'd also love to see a strong, local midday show. I'm very curious to see how long they hang onto Springer, and how much of a chance they give him to pick up the ratings.

> I'd also note that WHLO's signal, while decent in Avon, is
> really aimed -- away -- from Cleveland, in an upside-down
> mushroom shaped signal. Come nighttime in the winter, say
> bye-bye to 640.

Oh, indeed. It's not even really a rimshot Cleveland market signal. Assuming our assumptions are correct, and it's Beck's listeners following him from WTAM that are providing these numbers, the bulk of those numbers has to be coming from places like Independence, Brecksville and other southern suburbs within direct range of the strongest WHLO signal.

Again, it's very hard to tell from a small 12-plus showing, but it's probably no coincidence that WHLO shows up in the Cleveland book for the first time in ages immediately after Beck makes the move (and informs listeners about it on 1100 before he's gone, BTW).

> That reason alone is why I see WHLO's performence as
> astounding. It's one thing to try to turn in to a local
> station with a miserable signal (re: WERE/1300). But to
> listen in to a station from another market with an equally
> bad signal in your area, and that says something.

If there's any ratings traction to be gained in Northeast Ohio by liberal talk (not Springer), one would expect 1350 to start showing in the lower end of the Cleveland book in a similar manner, with its much better Cleveland market signal. But so far, not yet...we'll have to see.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
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