Hi All as I watch in sadness the coverage of 9-11-01 on WCBS New York.At the end of the victims names been read then all the sudden WFSB Hartford crashes in with the Tennis coverage.Will I guess Tennis is more important then 911 coverage to Comcast.I guess there was nobody around at the controls to stop if the system was on automation mode.What Happen.
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Comcast Cuts WCBS 9/11 services to WFSB CBS Tennis coverage..
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bg02445 said:
So WFSB controls the entire network's program services!?
Raymie said:
Hum.Thats interesting.
bg02445 said:
Considering that WCBS and WFSB are under different owners (with the former being the flagship), I find it hard to believe -- I think the switchover was automated and by Comcast, switching over to WFSB and tennis as normally scheduled, even though the service on WCBS was still in progress.
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musicman3355
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bg02445 said:
Who cares what WFSB wants, that's just sad.
bg02445 said:
Comcast (or any cable provider for that matter) has control of sim-sub; not the station.
I'm confused. Was the original person watching WCBS out of New York and then got switched to WFSB programming? If so, does this happen when CBS programming is shown as sort of a syndex blackout to protect WFSB? What town was this person watching from? Out of market network programming is becoming more rare on cable every day and is almost non-existant on satellite. It's a shame because back in the late 70s and early 80s, before greed took over, almost every cable system had multiple affiliates of the same network from different cities. Funny, back then, the local stations still got their precious ratings and nobody in the broadcast industry really cared that out of market stations were on cable.
smaug07 said:
Thats me,yes I was watching WCBS New York.And yes syndex blackout rule does apply to WCBS.I think the local news coverage does not fall under the syndex blackout rule.I know the others WVIT,WTNH,WTIC and other locals dont do much with the syndex blackout rule.As I know.But I think that wasn't the problem on 9-11 coverage.I was talking to a buddy in the business today,He said the Tennis coverage or any other sports coverage is bread and butter for the networks.Which I agree with him.Also he was shocked about the switchover too.
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necrat123
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Usually the syndex switches are automated. So the switch occured automatically. I've seen this happen on other systems where the Priority station was not airing normal network programming (i.e. a telethon) and the secondary station was still airing normal programming. All of a sudden, at prime time, the secondary gets flipped to the primary, forcing the loss of the network programming from the secondary. Comcast has regional op centers all over, a call to WCBS, they would've called their head end tech and bypass the switch. (The NOC might even be able to switch it remotely).
It sounds like, if it switched to Tennis, that the local coverage had extended beyond the network coverage time, when the two would be simulcast.
This isn't WFSB's or WCBS's fault, it's strictly Comcast's for not monitoring what they switch.
It sounds like, if it switched to Tennis, that the local coverage had extended beyond the network coverage time, when the two would be simulcast.
This isn't WFSB's or WCBS's fault, it's strictly Comcast's for not monitoring what they switch.
I have another example of this. VS airs an infomercial at 12PM Monday-Friday. Several times in the last week right in the middle of the infomercial at about 12:15PM it switches to a local commercial break. Then after 2 spots it goes back to the infomercial.
Granted an infomercial isn't important like The 9/11 Memorial Service on WCBS, it still shouldn't be happening.
Granted an infomercial isn't important like The 9/11 Memorial Service on WCBS, it still shouldn't be happening.
MarcB said:
Apparently, the cable system pre-programs the time when the local ads would roll, instead of listening for the tones (kept on a the part of the channel that is silent to viewers) that would signal them to roll at flexible times.
At one time, during breaking news and other long form events such as the OJ Trial, CNN would run a ticker around the top and bottom of the hour, warning viewers that some cable systems would be breaking away for a minute for local ads.
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necrat123
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It is possible (because I've seen Comcast do this) that the informercial you're seeing isn't actually on VS, but rather a different feed.
Comcast used to break away from Animal Plant for a infomercial channel after 2am in the past. Its possible that Comcast is breaking away from VS to air this infomercial, but the cue tones are still hot, and still trip the local in local ad insertion.
There was a sporting event that aired many years back on ESPN that had a New England team (I forget which one). ESPN in all the non Boston markets aired the game, but the Boston market was blacked out. When it came time for the local in local insertion in Boston, the system would fire them across the state (and probably everywhere within the Comcast Boston NOC). Boston it would air correctly, but in Springfield, all of a sudden over the coverage of the game, you saw a break air. It was a glitch that was corrected.
Azumanga, it's possible the clients aren't using cue tones either. Some networks have switched to DPI PID splicing. Where the stream is fed through a cherry picker splicer and the network sends out a unique pid to switch the stream over to the cable commercial. The cue tones are slowly going away...
Comcast used to break away from Animal Plant for a infomercial channel after 2am in the past. Its possible that Comcast is breaking away from VS to air this infomercial, but the cue tones are still hot, and still trip the local in local ad insertion.
There was a sporting event that aired many years back on ESPN that had a New England team (I forget which one). ESPN in all the non Boston markets aired the game, but the Boston market was blacked out. When it came time for the local in local insertion in Boston, the system would fire them across the state (and probably everywhere within the Comcast Boston NOC). Boston it would air correctly, but in Springfield, all of a sudden over the coverage of the game, you saw a break air. It was a glitch that was corrected.
Azumanga, it's possible the clients aren't using cue tones either. Some networks have switched to DPI PID splicing. Where the stream is fed through a cherry picker splicer and the network sends out a unique pid to switch the stream over to the cable commercial. The cue tones are slowly going away...
I thought the TBS Sunday game was only carried by them and not the local sports network. I could be wrong about that.
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