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COMCAST MOVES WFSB from Channel 2 to Channel 3

Why not? there's no more RF on channel 3 which is why they moved it to 2, to prevent all the noise and ghosting and whatnot.
 
In my area channel 3 alway been on 3, since day one.btw what will happen with cable ch13 and 15 shots.are they using the bandwidth for digital purposes.
 
Ken said:
Cox didn't move WTNH off cable 7 yet. Im surprised they didn't move them to 8 like they did to WFSB.
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They just fliped-flopped WFSB and COX Sports TV. (their own mostly infomercial channel). In my opinion Channel 2 is too valuable real estate to go to waste like that. As would HSN being on Channel 7 if they moved WTNH to 8 and they just flip-flop them like they did with WFSB.

What COX should do is move CPTV from Channel 5 to Channel 2. Move WRDM-LP from Channel 20 to Channel 5. Move WGBY from Channel 17 to Channel 7. Move WPIX to 13. Move HSN to 17. Move CTN to 20. Move COX Sports TV to 23. And of course move WTNH to 8. Move WSAH from Digital 75/73 to Analog 19. Move TV Guide Channel to 65 and TV Land to 64.
 
WTNH used to be on COX Channel 8 nearly a decade ago, but they moved it to Channel 7 in August, 2000. They put TV Guide Channel on 8, but moved that shortly after too. As far as WFSB is concerned, I can't see why they decided to have it on Channel 2 for all those years. Back in the '90s, I watched the Prevue Guide all of the time (I was obsessed with it), and COX had it on Channel 3, and I remember I would get frustrated because at certain times, the picture would constantly interfere with WFSB on 2. On a rare occassion, WFSB would actually appear fully on 3 because the signal was so bad. Generally, if you were watching Prevue Guide, you saw a ghost like view of WFSB constantly rolling left to right across the screen. The point I'm trying to make is why didn't they put the Prevue Channel (when it was around) on 2 so WFSB can have 3? It's more logical to have the guide on the first channel.
 
WTNH never been on cable 8 for Cox as long as I could remember. What used to be on cable 8 was WSAH with Shop At Home. WTNH used to be on cable 10 then moved to 7 where WFSB was for along before making the move to cable 2.

As for Marc you got a lot of channel moves might make some people lost. Some are good. One channel I'd like to see is moving The Weather Channel down to channel 20 for the people that have basic they should be able to get that channel. Also I added WCBS as WPIX shouldn't be the only NY channel. And people in CT should be able to see the the Jets and Pats.

My line-up idea:
2 - WCBS
3 - WFSB
4 - WVIT
5 - CPTV
6 - WTIC
7 - WGBY
8 - WTNH
9 - WCTX
10 - WTXX
11 - WPIX
12 - ion
13 - CTN
14 - local access
15 - local access
16 - local access
17 - WRDM
18 - WUVN
19 - HSN
20 - The Weather Channel
21 - CSPAN
22 - CSPAN2
23 - TBS
 
TV38Fan said:
The point I'm trying to make is why didn't they put the Prevue Channel (when it was around) on 2 so WFSB can have 3? It's more logical to have the guide on the first channel.
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It wasn't WFSB on Cable (2) that was interfering with it on 3. What was killing it on 3 was the over the air signal. If they had WFSB on 3 in those areas, than you'd see the ghost of the over the air signal on top of the cable signal. I believe the Needham, MA cable system had (or maybe still does?) their local channels on different channels for the same reason, being close to the towers.
 
Ken said:
WTNH never been on cable 8 for Cox as long as I could remember. What used to be on cable 8 was WSAH with Shop At Home. WTNH used to be on cable 10 then moved to 7 where WFSB was for along before making the move to cable 2.

As for Marc you got a lot of channel moves might make some people lost. Some are good. One channel I'd like to see is moving The Weather Channel down to channel 20 for the people that have basic they should be able to get that channel. Also I added WCBS as WPIX shouldn't be the only NY channel. And people in CT should be able to see the the Jets and Pats.

My line-up idea:
2 - WCBS
3 - WFSB
4 - WVIT
5 - CPTV
6 - WTIC
7 - WGBY
8 - WTNH
9 - WCTX
10 - WTXX
11 - WPIX
12 - ion
13 - CTN
14 - local access
15 - local access
16 - local access
17 - WRDM
18 - WUVN
19 - HSN
20 - The Weather Channel
21 - CSPAN
22 - CSPAN2
23 - TBS
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Well WTNH was on 8 in the Manchester/Newington area back then. That's the way I remembered it.
 
TV38Fan said:
Back in the '90s, I watched the Prevue Guide all of the time (I was obsessed with it), and COX had it on Channel 3, and I remember I would get frustrated because at certain times, the picture would constantly interfere with WFSB on 2. On a rare occassion, WFSB would actually appear fully on 3 because the signal was so bad. Generally, if you were watching Prevue Guide, you saw a ghost like view of WFSB constantly rolling left to right across the screen. The point I'm trying to make is why didn't they put the Prevue Channel (when it was around) on 2 so WFSB can have 3? It's more logical to have the guide on the first channel.
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I think you might have just answered your own question. When faced with the choice on what would be the inferior channel between WFSB and Prevue, they picked the latter.
 
Putting channels "offset" of their main channels is old school, cable systems across the country have done it for years, because of the severe problems with "ingress" on the cable plants. (Outside signals getting into the cable wiring). Theoretically a cable system is "closed", and in an ideal world, it is. No RF goes into , and the cable RF does not leak out. However any TV engineer can tell you, this isn't the case. Bad TVs, splitters from Radio Shack, people using twin-lead for cable tv, etc., can all cause these problems. The signal on the cable system will arrive at the TV slightly differently than the signal from the transmitter, so you get horrible beats, noise and lines in the picture. The signal from the transmitter gets into the cable plant, "beating" against the cable company's own signal. In Seekonk, for example, the old cable lineup at WJAR on channel 20 and WPRI on 22. As Jeff Lehmann pointed out the Newton cable system did the same thing, offsetting them. This was also why it was very common to see cable systems with nothing on cable channels 18-20 which fall into the public safety bands. In Great Barrington, there was a horrible problem with cable channel 19, which at the time was Sportschannel New England, where anytime the local police department would key up on 155.775, it would cause a horrible beat in the picture. You could hear the audio being picked up in the FM section during it as well. Cable companies also had ways to try and fight this style of interference as well, including using HRC (Harmonically Related Carriers) to offset the entire plant by +4mhz. With digital, VHF Hi ingress still exists, but instead of seeing beats, it looks like you have a weak channel. With digital cable, ingress causes the picture to just break up or drop out completley.
The other thing to note is usually where there is ingress, there is cable leakage (the cable signal "transmitting" outward)., and the FCC has very strict restrictions on cable leakage levels, due to the interference it can cause to public safety and FAA transmissions. Most cable companies (Comcast and COX at least do), have "leakage" patrols where vehicles literally drive around to detect this.
 
Radio engineers can say the same thing, especially in a system that doesn't maintain it's lines properly or uses inferior lines to begin with. Comcast here in Middletown should have been far enough away from WFSB not to have to worry about ingress on RF channel 3, but it had such massive problems with it that it was cable access for many years (I understand now they have moved WFSB to 3 as well). Over time, they naturally had to make changes and improvements to the system and much of this crap wire was replaced but that doesn't mean there haven't been or won't continue to be problems throughout. As engineer for WESU, back in the late 80's when much of this crap wire still existed, I had a pretty regular load of complaint calls regarding ingress to Fox 61 (Cable RF channel 6) by WESU. I didn't bother the cable company with the calls as I knew that yes they were fixing things and they were already overloaded with the process. The only thing I could do was inform the cable subscriber that the problem was not caused by WESU, (we were here first after all) and to call the cable system and report the problem, and if that failed they could contact either the state DPUC or the FCC and that we were not going to sign off just so they could watch their NFL Sunday Football, and they were free to report us to the FCC if they liked as we were not the ones with a compliance problem of any sort.

I did however tell each one that I had a friend in the cable company who did install/repairs and that I could forward their name, address and phone number to them to help resolve the issue faster. It was a very helpful thing and something that helped alot with this issue.
 
In my area channel 3 was loaded with co-channel interference with the ota signal ,after a couple of rebuilts they cleaned Ch3 up.now it looks good for now.
 
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