i turned on my tv today and wjar was moved to ch 99 and wwdp ws in its place on ch 10,and 19!! My question is why would Comcast move wjar to digital feed and off basic cable,Now i live in southeastern mass and sometimes wjar is covering news that relates to my area then the Boston channels!!
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comcast moves wjar to ch 99?
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What part of southeastern MA do you live in? Bristol County, Plymouth County, or the Cape/Islands?
If you live in one of the latter two, then you are in the Boston TV market and Comcast does not need to carry the Providence affiliates in those areas.
If you live in one of the latter two, then you are in the Boston TV market and Comcast does not need to carry the Providence affiliates in those areas.
whdh1920 said:
Yeah, Norfolk County is also in the Boston TV market, and none of the Providence channels, including WJAR, have "significantly viewed" status in Norfolk County, so Comcast doesn't really have a ton of leverage in carrying WJAR in your area.
I'll trade TV markets though. I live in Attleboro yet the FCC/Nielson thinks I need to get my news out of Providence/Rhode Island and not Boston/Massachusetts...
sonicdoommario said:
Norfolk County is a fine example of how this business of defining market areas by "county" sometimes falls flat. Particularly in New England, where counties are mostly irrelevant and everything (culturally, administratively, etc.) is based on what town/city you live in. Yes, Norfolk County includes municipalities that are directly adjacent to the city of Boston (i.e. Brookline, Quincy, Dedham, etc.). These are places which clearly have little interest in affairs having to do with Providence and Rhode Island.
But, the county also includes the likes of Wrentham, Plainville and Bellingham. These are communities which border Rhode Island and which would have equal interest in viewing newscasts from Providence as they would newscasts from Boston. You get some commuters to Rhode Island who live in areas like these and, there's a natural interest because Providence is as little as 1/3 the distance from these areas as Boston is. So, the county model tends to fall apart on this one.
It's not much better when you take Bristol County into consideration either. Much of the county (Taunton, Norton, etc.) is more interested in viewing Boston stations than they are Providence, yet Seekonk and Attleboro are clearly an integral part of the Providence area. As for Fall River, it could go either way. This is an area that could be in either TV market and which should probably be split between Providence and Boston (by town), while having access to media from each.
Another example of how hard and fast rules are sometimes rendered ridiculous by the details.
BRNout said:
It's funny how hopping from one town to another can make all the distance. Jumping from North Attleboro to Plainville, or Mansfield to Foxboro, or even from Easton to Stoughton makes all the difference in which DMA channels are prioritized are your cable.
If we got all of the Boston channels in HD where I live, this wouldn't be too much of a problem. Like on Comcast, we don't get FOX 25 or WLVI on the HD lineup, yet a couple towns over get those channels. We do get the big 3 from Boston in HD though at least.... (WBZ, WHDH, and WCVB).
A better example is Brattleboro, VT. It's 87 miles west-northwest of Boston, if you draw a straight line. The entirety of Windham County, VT is a portion of the Boston/Worcester DMA. My guess this is because of viewing habits and that the town is often associated with Keene, NH (Cheshire County, NH is in the Boston/Worcester, DMA as well).
In my opinion, Windham County, VT should be a part of the Burlington/Plattsburgh DMA. Windsor County, VT, which borders Windham County on the north, already includes WNNE-TV (NBC) channel 31 of White River Junction, VT. That station is in Burlington's market.
Bennington County, VT borders Windham County on the west. In their case, it's a portion of the Albany/Schenectady DMA. Geographically, that makes sense, since Bennington is much closer to Albany than it is to Burlington.
With that being said, I guess Brattleboro is at an advantage for being a town having only 12,046 people. Their analog cable lineup includes (included?) the following stations:
2- WGBY-TV (PBS) channel 57 Springfield, MA
3- WCAX-TV (CBS) channel 3 Burlington, VT
4- WBZ-TV (CBS) channel 4 Boston
5- WCVB-TV (ABC) channel 5 Boston
7- WHDH-TV (NBC) channel 7 Boston
9- WMUR-TV (ABC) channel 9 Manchester, NH
11- WVTA-TV (PBS) channel 41 Windsor, VT
12- WFXT-TV (FOX) channel 25 Boston
13- WNNE-TV (NBC) channel 31 White River Junction, VT
14- WBIN-TV (IND) channel 50 Derry, NH
15- WSBK-TV (MY) channel 38 Boston
16- WEKW-TV (PBS) channel 52 Keene, NH
17- WNEU-TV (TEL) channel 60 Merrimack, NH
19- WCDC-TV (ABC) channel 19 Adams, MA
20- WVBK-CA (IND) channel 2 Manchester, VT [analog]
99- WYDN-TV (REL) channel 48 Worcester, MA
Amazing! I live in New Britain, CT, population of 71,254. We also have Comcast. The only out-of-market station we get is WGBY-TV. Getting back to Brattleboro, their lineup also seems a bit unbalanced. 3 ABC stations, 2 CBS stations, 2 NBC stations and 3 PBS affiliates? I can't see why they carry the Daystar station from Worcester or the Telemundo station from Merrimack, NH. It seems to me that one of them should be replaced with a CW station, the one network which is missing in Brattleboro. ???
In my opinion, Windham County, VT should be a part of the Burlington/Plattsburgh DMA. Windsor County, VT, which borders Windham County on the north, already includes WNNE-TV (NBC) channel 31 of White River Junction, VT. That station is in Burlington's market.
Bennington County, VT borders Windham County on the west. In their case, it's a portion of the Albany/Schenectady DMA. Geographically, that makes sense, since Bennington is much closer to Albany than it is to Burlington.
With that being said, I guess Brattleboro is at an advantage for being a town having only 12,046 people. Their analog cable lineup includes (included?) the following stations:
2- WGBY-TV (PBS) channel 57 Springfield, MA
3- WCAX-TV (CBS) channel 3 Burlington, VT
4- WBZ-TV (CBS) channel 4 Boston
5- WCVB-TV (ABC) channel 5 Boston
7- WHDH-TV (NBC) channel 7 Boston
9- WMUR-TV (ABC) channel 9 Manchester, NH
11- WVTA-TV (PBS) channel 41 Windsor, VT
12- WFXT-TV (FOX) channel 25 Boston
13- WNNE-TV (NBC) channel 31 White River Junction, VT
14- WBIN-TV (IND) channel 50 Derry, NH
15- WSBK-TV (MY) channel 38 Boston
16- WEKW-TV (PBS) channel 52 Keene, NH
17- WNEU-TV (TEL) channel 60 Merrimack, NH
19- WCDC-TV (ABC) channel 19 Adams, MA
20- WVBK-CA (IND) channel 2 Manchester, VT [analog]
99- WYDN-TV (REL) channel 48 Worcester, MA
Amazing! I live in New Britain, CT, population of 71,254. We also have Comcast. The only out-of-market station we get is WGBY-TV. Getting back to Brattleboro, their lineup also seems a bit unbalanced. 3 ABC stations, 2 CBS stations, 2 NBC stations and 3 PBS affiliates? I can't see why they carry the Daystar station from Worcester or the Telemundo station from Merrimack, NH. It seems to me that one of them should be replaced with a CW station, the one network which is missing in Brattleboro. ???
KML, you should see the Comcast HD lineup in Attleboro when it comes to locals:
802: WGBH HD (PBS)
803: WPXQ HD (ION)
804: WBZ HD (CBS)
805: WCVB HD (ABC)
806: WLNE HD (ABC)
807: WHDH HD (NBC)
809: NECN HD
810: WJAR HD (NBC)
811: WNAC HD (FOX)
812: WPRI HD (CBS)
813: WLWC HD (CW)
814: WSBK HD (MYTV)
818: WGBX HD (PBS)
819: WSBE HD (MYTV)
820: WNAC 64.2 HD (MYTV)
So on our HD lineup, we have 2 CBS HD feeds, 2 ABC HD feeds, 2 NBC HD feeds, and 2 MYTV HDs.
802: WGBH HD (PBS)
803: WPXQ HD (ION)
804: WBZ HD (CBS)
805: WCVB HD (ABC)
806: WLNE HD (ABC)
807: WHDH HD (NBC)
809: NECN HD
810: WJAR HD (NBC)
811: WNAC HD (FOX)
812: WPRI HD (CBS)
813: WLWC HD (CW)
814: WSBK HD (MYTV)
818: WGBX HD (PBS)
819: WSBE HD (MYTV)
820: WNAC 64.2 HD (MYTV)
So on our HD lineup, we have 2 CBS HD feeds, 2 ABC HD feeds, 2 NBC HD feeds, and 2 MYTV HDs.
That's all well and good, but I didn't exactly mean HD though. What I meant is that even a subscriber to limited basic cable there, at the fringe of a given TV market would still get all of those stations. Here we get the locals in SD on the old analog lineup, with no converter. With my TV's QAM tuner, I get all the locals in HD when available plus an SD-only feed of WGBY-TV (PBS) channel 57 from Springfield, MA.
Here in New Britain, CT (outside of Hartford), I have a 26" Sanyo LCD HDTV from 2006. I do not use any cable converter from Comcast. At present, I still get a limited analog cable lineup (example Nutmeg Public Access on cable channel 5). Putting the same TV onto its digital tuner gives me my locals, QVC, TBS and The Weather Channel (national feed) in HD. Since the TV is older, the QAM assignments are usually random. As such, my TV receives the HD feed of WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford on channel 45-1, while 45-2 ends up being the HD feed of WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61 of Hartford. My mother also uses a 26" Sanyo LCD HDTV. However, since her model is newer, she can tune the locals directly, such as "0"-"3" and it'll tune WFSB-TV and display "WFSB-TV 3-1."
Here in New Britain, CT (outside of Hartford), I have a 26" Sanyo LCD HDTV from 2006. I do not use any cable converter from Comcast. At present, I still get a limited analog cable lineup (example Nutmeg Public Access on cable channel 5). Putting the same TV onto its digital tuner gives me my locals, QVC, TBS and The Weather Channel (national feed) in HD. Since the TV is older, the QAM assignments are usually random. As such, my TV receives the HD feed of WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford on channel 45-1, while 45-2 ends up being the HD feed of WTIC-TV (FOX) channel 61 of Hartford. My mother also uses a 26" Sanyo LCD HDTV. However, since her model is newer, she can tune the locals directly, such as "0"-"3" and it'll tune WFSB-TV and display "WFSB-TV 3-1."
Whoops, didn't notice that, thanks.
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KML-224 said:
Well If you think that's an impressive lineup, take a look at Comcast's lineup in Kittery, ME:
2-WGBH-TV (PBS) Channel 2 Boston, MA
4-WBZ-TV (CBS) Channel 4 Boston, MA
5-WCVB-TV (ABC) Channel 5 Boston, MA
6-WCSH-TV (NBC) Channel 6 Portland, ME
7-WHDH-TV (NBC) Channel 7 Boston, MA
8-WMTW-TV (ABC) Channel 8 Poland Springs, ME
9-WMUR-TV (ABC) Channel 9 Manchester, NH
11-WENH-TV (PBS) Channel 11 Durham, NH
12-WLVI-TV (CW) Channel 56 Boston, MA
13-WGME-TV (CBS) Channel 13 Portland, ME
14-WSBK-TV (MNTV) Channel 38 Boston, MA
15-WPXG-TV (ION) Channel 21 Concord, NH
16-WFXT-TV (FOX) Channel 25 Boston, MA
17-WMEA-TV (PBS) Channel 26 Biddelford, ME
18-WPME-TV (MNTV) Channel 35 Portland, ME
19-WNEU-TV (TEL) Channel 60 Merrimack, NH
20-WMFP-TV (MeTV) Channel 62 Lawrence, MA
21-WUTF-TV (TF) Channel 66 Boston, MA
23-WYDN-TV (Daystar) Channel 48 Worcester, MA
96-WWDP-TV (ShopNBC) Channel 46 Norwell, MA
Now THAT is a much more impressive lineup than Brattleboro has on their comcast system!
Things stand out with this lineup:
Kittery, ME is the southern extent of the Portland/Poland Spring DMA. With that said, where are the following?
WPFO-TV (FOX) channel 23 Waterville
WPXT-TV (CW) channel 51 Portland
Now to nitpick the rest! Ha ha!
WMTW-TV (ABC) channel 8 is licensed to POLAND SPRING, ME
WLVI-TV (CW) channel 56 is licensed to CAMBRIDGE, MA
WMEA-TV (PBS) channel 26 is licensed to BIDDEFORD, ME (Grandma's home town...)
WPME-TV (MY) channel 35 is licensed to LEWISTON, ME
WUTF-TV (FUT) channel 66 is licensed to MARLBOROUGH, MA
As for Brattleboro, I think they get plenty for a remote area because they're at the fringe of one market (Boston/Worcester) and damn close to three others (Burlington/Plattsburgh, Albany/Schenectady, NY and Springfield, MA).
Kittery, ME is the southern extent of the Portland/Poland Spring DMA. With that said, where are the following?
WPFO-TV (FOX) channel 23 Waterville
WPXT-TV (CW) channel 51 Portland
Now to nitpick the rest! Ha ha!
WMTW-TV (ABC) channel 8 is licensed to POLAND SPRING, ME
WLVI-TV (CW) channel 56 is licensed to CAMBRIDGE, MA
WMEA-TV (PBS) channel 26 is licensed to BIDDEFORD, ME (Grandma's home town...)
WPME-TV (MY) channel 35 is licensed to LEWISTON, ME
WUTF-TV (FUT) channel 66 is licensed to MARLBOROUGH, MA
As for Brattleboro, I think they get plenty for a remote area because they're at the fringe of one market (Boston/Worcester) and damn close to three others (Burlington/Plattsburgh, Albany/Schenectady, NY and Springfield, MA).
KML-224 said:
Comcast in Brattleboro carries (and carried when the above quote was initially posted) the following two OTA stations:
18- WPXG-TV (ION) channel 21 Concord, NH
98- WLVI-TV (CW) channel 56 Cambridge, MA
When I moved to Brattleboro in 1985, the cable lineup (on what was then Time Warner) was a little different, though there were still 3 ABCs and 3 PBSs in the lineup.
From memory (OTA stations only):
2- WGBH-TV 2 Boston (PBS)
3- WFSB-TV 3 Hartford, CT (CBS)
4- WBZ-TV 4 Boston (NBC)
5- WGGB-TV 40 Springfield (ABC)
9- WMUR-TV 9 Manchester, NH (ABC)
10- WCDC-TV 19 Adams, MA (ABC)
11- WVTA-TV 41 Windsor, VT (PBS)
12- WCAX-TV 3 Burlington, VT (CBS)
13- WNNE-TV 31 Hartford/Hanover (NBC)
15- WSBK-TV 38 Boston, MA (IND)
16- WEKW-TV 52 Keene, NH (PBS)
I used to camp (in a trailer) just outside of Brattleboro in the early 1980s and WFSB used to boom in using regular rabbit ears on a portable B&W set, especially at night. I think it had to do with being in the Connecticut River Valley with the signal reflecting off of the hills on either side of the river. We could even get a few whispers of WTNH, channel 8 in New Haven, at times on a clear, late night. So maybe WFSB had many viewers in Brattleboro in the pre-cable days for CBS viewing. I doubt WCAX was receivable from Burlington, and I'll bet you needed to be positioned just right to get WNAC, channel 7 (the CBS affiliate back then) from Boston. This may explain the cable lineup from that era.KML-224 said:
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