Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

[DToTheJ]

Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

The nominee's for this year's Emmy Awards were announced this week, and among those nominated for the category of Outstanding Variety, Music or Comedy Series is "The Tonight Show" - that is, "The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien." In fact, Conan's brief version of NBC's late-night series - which was supported by his new home later this year, TBS - received four Emmy nominations overall.

Meanwhile, NBC - which will broadcast this year's Emmy Awards telecast - submitted "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" for Emmy consideration, and it received a grand total of zero Emmy nominations.

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The former Denver Broncos offensive lineman with three Super Bowl rings (two with Denver, and one with the Redskins) has been working as an analyst with ESPN, appearing on TV as well as radio - including contributing to KKFN/104.3 The Fan, among other stations across the country.

Recently, Schlereth had signed a new contract with ESPN, which allows him to agree to be the co-host of The Fan's afternoon show, alongside Darren McKee and Alfred Williams.

"It's something I've wanted to do for some time now, but I was just too busy," says Schlereth. "I'm really excited about this."

Full story:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/cona...s-emmy-nominations-lenos-tonight-show-doesnt/

In addition, O'Brien had tweeted that the nominations "bode well for the future of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien."

 

[Skynet74]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

All is right in the world again. I hope Conan wins. That would just be the cherry on top!

 

[landtuna]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

Obviously a sympathy nomination. If O'Brien's show had been worthwhile it would have still been on-air.

 

[radiojomo]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

I loved what Leno said on the Tonight Show yesterday:
Did you hear? The Tonight Show got 4 Emmy Nominations...but none of them with my name on them. See, that just shows you, there's no "me" in Emmy

 

[LKellerIII]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

Obviously a sympathy nomination. If O'Brien's show had been worthwhile it would have still been on-air.

Sooo...I guess you're saying that ratings are the only determination of artistic merit. Therefore, when a show is cancelled, it must not have been worth watching in the first place.

There are a lot of fans of critically acclaimed, but ultimately unpopular shows that would disagree with you.

 

[landtuna]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

Obviously a sympathy nomination. If O'Brien's show had been worthwhile it would have still been on-air.

Sooo...I guess you're saying that ratings are the only determination of artistic merit. Therefore, when a show is cancelled, it must not have been worth watching in the first place.

There are a lot of fans of critically acclaimed, but ultimately unpopular shows that would disagree with you.

I didn't say anything of the sort. I merely said the nomination was a sympathy nomination. It certainly couldn't have been based on merit because the show was panned by virtually everyone who judges artistic merit.

Shows get cancelled for all sorts of reasons but mostly because they don't draw enough of the desired demos. I have been a fan of several such shows but then I'm a tightwad, confused, over-the-hill Olde Farte whose only demo is false teeth glue and caskets.

 

[Skynet74]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

Leno's latest ratings are worse than O'Briens were. Now what? LOL

 

[LKellerIII]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

Obviously a sympathy nomination. If O'Brien's show had been worthwhile it would have still been on-air.

Sooo...I guess you're saying that ratings are the only determination of artistic merit. Therefore, when a show is cancelled, it must not have been worth watching in the first place.

There are a lot of fans of critically acclaimed, but ultimately unpopular shows that would disagree with you.

I didn't say anything of the sort. I merely said the nomination was a sympathy nomination. It certainly couldn't have been based on merit because the show was panned by virtually everyone who judges artistic merit.

Shows get cancelled for all sorts of reasons but mostly because they don't draw enough of the desired demos. I have been a fan of several such shows but then I'm a tightwad, confused, over-the-hill Olde Farte whose only demo is false teeth glue and caskets.

OK - I'm not trying to start an argument 'Tuna, but you didn't say that it was panned by critics, you said "if O'Brien's show had been worthwhile, it would still be on the air." That's the premise I disagreed with.

By the way, as a fellow Olde Farte, I agree that Conan's Tonight Show was mediocre at best, and I was a fan of his Late Night show. If he takes his same staff to TBS and produces the same show, he's doomed to failure.

 

[Kenny Atkinson]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

The nominee's for this year's Emmy Awards were announced this week, and among those nominated for the category of Outstanding Variety, Music or Comedy Series is "The Tonight Show" - that is, "The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien." In fact, Conan's brief version of NBC's late-night series - which was supported by his new home later this year, TBS - received four Emmy nominations overall.

Meanwhile, NBC - which will broadcast this year's Emmy Awards telecast - submitted "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" for Emmy consideration, and it received a grand total of zero Emmy nominations.

Full story:
The former Denver Broncos offensive lineman with three Super Bowl rings (two with Denver, and one with the Redskins) has been working as an analyst with ESPN, appearing on TV as well as radio - including contributing to KKFN/104.3 The Fan, among other stations across the country.

Recently, Schlereth had signed a new contract with ESPN, which allows him to agree to be the co-host of The Fan's afternoon show, alongside Darren McKee and Alfred Williams.

"It's something I've wanted to do for some time now, but I was just too busy," says Schlereth. "I'm really excited about this."

Full story:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/cona...s-emmy-nominations-lenos-tonight-show-doesnt/

In addition, O'Brien had tweeted that the nominations "bode well for the future of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien."

I would love to see Conan open his new show on the debut carrying an emmy if he wins it and keep it on his desk for about a month.

That would be great.An emmy winning show on its debut. how funny would that be?

 

[Markxxx]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

Awards are pretty meaningless. Lots of shows never win Emmys and do fine. Other shows win and are cancelled.

 

[radiojomo]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

By the way, as a fellow Olde Farte, I agree that Conan's Tonight Show was mediocre at best, and I was a fan of his Late Night show. If he takes his same staff to TBS and produces the same show, he's doomed to failure.

I think Conan's biggest troubles will come from The Daily Show (which has recently been adding viewers). Conan will be a clear winner in the first few weeks but after that, who knows.
Also, many people claimed that much of Conan's viewership came from alternate souces such as Hulu, but as far as I know TBS doesn't offer full video streaming of their shows such as Lopez Tonight so who knows what's going to happen in that department.

 

[Skynet74]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

Leno is tired and Letterman spent last night making waffles. Needless to say.... I will be glad when Conan is back on.

 

[landtuna]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

OK - I'm not trying to start an argument 'Tuna, but you didn't say that it was panned by critics, you said "if O'Brien's show had been worthwhile, it would still be on the air." That's the premise I disagreed with.

No argument here either. But critics' opinions of TV shows (and movies for that matter) don't seem to matter much. The public seems to decide what they like. If ratings for Conan had been better I think NBC would have at least given the show a longer chance to survive even with the drumbeat to put Leno back on at his regular time. The show started out weak and got weaker (IMHO of course) and that was the nail in Conan's coffin.

In aviation they tell you to always fly "two mistakes high". NBC made two in a row and crashed.

 

[LKellerIII]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

OK - I'm not trying to start an argument 'Tuna, but you didn't say that it was panned by critics, you said "if O'Brien's show had been worthwhile, it would still be on the air." That's the premise I disagreed with.

No argument here either. But critics' opinions of TV shows (and movies for that matter) don't seem to matter much. The public seems to decide what they like. If ratings for Conan had been better I think NBC would have at least given the show a longer chance to survive even with the drumbeat to put Leno back on at his regular time. The show started out weak and got weaker (IMHO of course) and that was the nail in Conan's coffin.

In aviation they tell you to always fly "two mistakes high". NBC made two in a row and crashed.

That would be my 'HO' ("humble opinion," not the other meaning) as well. No argument.

I look forward to Conan's TBS show - hopefully with new writers and some fresh ideas. But at the first sign of Conando, or Twitter Tracker - I'm out of there.

 

[PhDance]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

If ratings for Conan had been better I think NBC would have at least given the show a longer chance to survive even with the drumbeat to put Leno back on at his regular time

I don't think that's a fair statement to make. Unless you're preaching revisionist history that I am unfamiliar with, Conan was not removed because of bad ratings--- rather, THE JAY LENO SHOW was removed because of bad ratings. More specifically, Leno's show was canned because it gave poor ratings lead-ins to the many NBC stations running local news. These stations threatened to drop NBC affiliation altogether unless something was done. However, NBC couldn't just can Leno without paying a very expensive contract buyout. If it weren't for the fact that the contract with Leno had a higher buyout cost, you better believe Conan would still be hosting the Tonight Show at 11:35pm. Don't forget that NBC's original plan was to keep Conan as host of a 12:05 "Tonight Show" but Conan balked at that offer. NBC knows Leno is a high mileage car that will need to be replaced in a few years. All of this is very well documented.

 

[landtuna]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

I don't think that's a fair statement to make. <snip>

Differing opinions are what makes the world go 'round but you should know I have no vested interest in either Leno or O'Brien - I dislike both shows almost equally. I had hoped Conan would bring something fresh to The Tonight Show but right from the outset he was a huge disappointment to me.

I remember well the groundswell of noise the affiliates generated when Leno's new show didn't produce the required lead-in. However, if at that time Conan was delivering *acceptable* ratings and had the prospect of growing I believe they would have left him in place and found another solution to the Leno fiasco. Paying Conan off and slapping Leno back into his previous time slot was the quick and dirty 'solution' and in retrospect you could find lots of fault with that decision too.

I have watched TBS only from afar since the 80's since they seem to be more "urban" oriented. If my perception is true I don't know well Conan's new show will do. Big difference between NBC and TBS audiences it seems.

As far as Leno goes, the sooner he retires the better although I am still convinced he could do very well in a "special" show where his knowledge of cars and motorcycles can be leveraged. I think a predominately male audience would still find him watchable in that context.

 

[Dighton Rockhead]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

As far as Leno goes, the sooner he retires the better although I am still convinced he could do very well in a "special" show where his knowledge of cars and motorcycles can be leveraged. I think a predominately male audience would still find him watchable in that context.[/quote]

If I'm not mistaken, NBC at one point....perhaps 2 or 3 years ago...mulled over the idea of doing an American version of the hit BBC-TV show "Top Gear"....but concluded that the production costs would be too expensive.

Too bad....That's the ONE type of show where Leno's vast knowledge of the subject matter would have made it thoroughly enjoyable.

 

[landtuna]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

If I'm not mistaken, NBC at one point....perhaps 2 or 3 years ago...mulled over the idea of doing an American version of the hit BBC-TV show "Top Gear"....but concluded that the production costs would be too expensive.

I'm not familiar with "Top Gear" but wouldn't think Jay and a guest or two hanging out in his garage would be too expensive (depending upon what he wanted to do the show of course). Certainly less than The Tonight Show (although the anticipated audience would probably be smaller as well).

Somehow, I think he would be happier in that environment too. Pimping Hollywood flotsam for the film companies can't be all that worthwhile.

 

[radiojomo]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

As far as Leno goes, the sooner he retires the better

I'm surprised that people haven't discussed the fact that David Letterman's contract expires in 2012 and by then he'll be a whopping 65. Do you think that Letterman is starting to have thoughts about retirement? I don't think CBS would consider firing Letterman with the fact that he has a loyal fanbase, given that his numbers were flat compared to last year.

 

[landtuna]

Re: Conan's "Tonight Show" Gets Four Emmy Nods; Leno's "Tonight Show": Zero

I'm surprised that people haven't discussed the fact that David Letterman's contract expires in 2012 and by then he'll be a whopping 65. Do you think that Letterman is starting to have thoughts about retirement? I don't think CBS would consider firing Letterman with the fact that he has a loyal fanbase, given that his numbers were flat compared to last year.

I've never been a fan of Letterman. He is boring to me and I can't stand his inane banter with Paul the bandleader. There are those that like and watch him though and I suppose as long as C(BS) can stand to write the check he'll be on the air. If I were Moonves I wouldn't move too quickly but rather wait and see whether The Tonight Show completes its death spiral.