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Congratulations To WAAF MD Mistress Carrie!
- Thread starter Neanderpaul
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Varulven said:1)"factually incorrect" - Sully was interviewed on 93.7 FM when he was a drummer. It was my portion of the program - "Demo That Got The Deal". I have the playlist and the aircheck from that Sunday evening.
The original post: "Yes, Sully's first major interview was most likely when he was drummer in Meliah Rage on my WCGY produced show "The Demo That Got The Deal"tm. Glad WAAF could pick up on talent I first brought to 50,000 watt radio.
1992."
"Sully's first major interview" was not when he was temporarily drummer for Meliah Rage. The facts have proven otherwise. Pay special attention to this phrase: "Glad WAAF could pick up on talent I first brought to 50,000 watt radio.1992."
I have already corrected this once. No need to re-hash. My point is made. The writer is wrong. A retraction/apology for the misprint is the professional thing to do. I wouldn't hold my breath.
I stand by my post. "most likely" Sully first chatted on 50,000 watt radio when he came to the station with Meliah Rage. Did he do WBCN or WAAF back in the day? Maybe, maybe not. In any event we had a very hot show with solid numbers so the exposure for the unknown was susbtantial 15 years back.
Don't care if he was a "sub" or a "fill in". Never claimed it was Godsmack.
Paul, you started this thread with a clear conflict of interest. Once again you feign ingorance to your "insider trading" and try to make the issue one of the many who criticize the legitimacy of these "awards" shows.
It must really make the fur on the back of your neck get all ruffled when you realize that we had more opportunity to interview artists and play important music on 50,000 watts than you as a Music Director get to do in this current climate. We had much more latitude. We could have The Neighborhoods up to talk about the Third Stone/Atlantic deal or find a lost James Bond theme as done by Charlie Farren when he had his Warner Bros. deal. That was radio worth air-checking and air check we did.
The point is - my discussion of Carrie was on-topic, you - the guy who started the thread - took it of course.
Do you think it fair that employees from the same company should scratch each other's back with no opportunity for people to call you on this cronyism? God bless Mistress Carrie and her efforts - but, let's face it, Oedipus she's not. Morally - good for her. As far as breaking artists - well, no matter how repulsive some of the shenanigans were over at BCN during Oedi's reign - through ALL my criticism of Oedipus, I have ALWAYS given El Diablo his due for his contributions to our community. Does Oedipus - do Mistress Carrie - or Paul Marshall - have the capacity to do the same. This thread is Exhibit A that they do not.
Don't care if he was a "sub" or a "fill in". Never claimed it was Godsmack.
Paul, you started this thread with a clear conflict of interest. Once again you feign ingorance to your "insider trading" and try to make the issue one of the many who criticize the legitimacy of these "awards" shows.
It must really make the fur on the back of your neck get all ruffled when you realize that we had more opportunity to interview artists and play important music on 50,000 watts than you as a Music Director get to do in this current climate. We had much more latitude. We could have The Neighborhoods up to talk about the Third Stone/Atlantic deal or find a lost James Bond theme as done by Charlie Farren when he had his Warner Bros. deal. That was radio worth air-checking and air check we did.
The point is - my discussion of Carrie was on-topic, you - the guy who started the thread - took it of course.
Do you think it fair that employees from the same company should scratch each other's back with no opportunity for people to call you on this cronyism? God bless Mistress Carrie and her efforts - but, let's face it, Oedipus she's not. Morally - good for her. As far as breaking artists - well, no matter how repulsive some of the shenanigans were over at BCN during Oedi's reign - through ALL my criticism of Oedipus, I have ALWAYS given El Diablo his due for his contributions to our community. Does Oedipus - do Mistress Carrie - or Paul Marshall - have the capacity to do the same. This thread is Exhibit A that they do not.
Varulven said:Paul, you started this thread with a clear conflict of interest. Once again you feign ingorance to your "insider trading" and try to make the issue one of the many who criticize the legitimacy of these "awards" shows.
how is congratulating a coworker and disclosing your relationship with that coworker a conflict of interest?
When that same individual does not allow independent thought concerning the post. That these awards are most likely fixed.
It would be nice if we could make comments of people currently in radio without wondering when their Scorch The Earth retribution is going to begin. Talk about thin skinned.
It would be nice if we could make comments of people currently in radio without wondering when their Scorch The Earth retribution is going to begin. Talk about thin skinned.
Varulven said:Paul, you started this thread with a clear conflict of interest. Once again you feign ingorance to your "insider trading" and try to make the issue one of the many who criticize the legitimacy of these "awards" shows.
And you continue to take issue with those who would criticize the legitimacy of your writings, and cable access show. Radio & Records is the industry trade magazine. The authority. Your opinion is just that. Their acknowledgement means something.
This thread was started to publicly congratulate Mistress Carrie for her achievement. Nothing more. Nothing less.
It's not about you. Never was. As usual, it appears you are unable accept that.
Mistress Carrie has been recognized by the radio industry. Nothing you type can negate this award.
Plenty can negate the award if it is not legitimate. Radio & Records recently purchased by Billboard - no checks and balances, all the power sways to one side.
Also, you just keep on the attack mode.
But Mistress Carrie now owes me one. Look at all the hits this thread has gotten. We don't see Carrie in
Clea Simon's column or in The Herald or in The Phoenix. There's virtually no press on her in Boston.
So finally - a legitimate radio critic is talking about her. Maybe she can spin this into an article in
Billboard or R & R or Adweek or the Entercom newsletter?
Long after Neanderpaul's gotten out of the business because he can't take it (see your previous post about thinking about giving up), those of us who have suffered the slings and arrows of abusive radio personalities with thin skins will still be hired to speak on the BBC, get to speak on VH1,
and get to interview people like the #1 author on next week's Sunday New York Times, who was in my studio yesterday (and who also writes for television and authored the new Justice League Of America comic book).
You are right - an employee of the same company Carrie works for started the thread and then went off topic attacking the messenger.
As you always do.
Can you:
a)Stay on the Kansas/Missouri/Alaska boards
b)put your efforts into breaking new and exciting talents instead of collecting a paycheck and messing around on this Boston radio board.
Just a challenge.
Winston Churchill said "Never, never, never NEVER give up." You were all ready to jump ship.
30 years of cataloguing Boston music - so you attempt to attack my hobby - my access show?
Congratulations Mistress Carrie - finally - some ink.
http://www3.whdh.com/features/articles/specialreport/BO26866/
Hire Baghdad Bob to say "I am Mistress Carrie - The President of Iraq!" in Saddam's voice.
Also, you just keep on the attack mode.
But Mistress Carrie now owes me one. Look at all the hits this thread has gotten. We don't see Carrie in
Clea Simon's column or in The Herald or in The Phoenix. There's virtually no press on her in Boston.
So finally - a legitimate radio critic is talking about her. Maybe she can spin this into an article in
Billboard or R & R or Adweek or the Entercom newsletter?
Long after Neanderpaul's gotten out of the business because he can't take it (see your previous post about thinking about giving up), those of us who have suffered the slings and arrows of abusive radio personalities with thin skins will still be hired to speak on the BBC, get to speak on VH1,
and get to interview people like the #1 author on next week's Sunday New York Times, who was in my studio yesterday (and who also writes for television and authored the new Justice League Of America comic book).
You are right - an employee of the same company Carrie works for started the thread and then went off topic attacking the messenger.
As you always do.
Can you:
a)Stay on the Kansas/Missouri/Alaska boards
b)put your efforts into breaking new and exciting talents instead of collecting a paycheck and messing around on this Boston radio board.
Just a challenge.
Winston Churchill said "Never, never, never NEVER give up." You were all ready to jump ship.
30 years of cataloguing Boston music - so you attempt to attack my hobby - my access show?
Congratulations Mistress Carrie - finally - some ink.
http://www3.whdh.com/features/articles/specialreport/BO26866/
Hire Baghdad Bob to say "I am Mistress Carrie - The President of Iraq!" in Saddam's voice.
Varulven said:Plenty can negate the award if it is not legitimate. Radio & Records recently purchased by Billboard - no check and balances, all the power sways to one side.
Also, you just keep on the attack mode. Long after Neanderpaul's gotten out of the business because he can't take it (see your previous post about thinking about giving up), those of us who have suffered the slings and arrows of abusive radio personalities with thin skins will still be hired to speak on the BBC, get to speak on VH1,
and get to interview people like the #1 author on next week's Sunday New York Times, who was in my studio yesterday (and who also writes for television and authored the new Justice League Of America comic book).
You are right - an employee of the same company Carrie works for started the thread and then went off topic attacking the messenger.
When an alleged "esteemed music journalist" prints blatant distortions of truth. They must be exposed for their employment of shoddy journalism. When you attempt to discredit, it's called "criticism." When your lies, and distortions are exposed, it's called an "attack" When you question the legitimacy of the industry standard, it's valid. When those in the industry question the legitimacy of your writings, and "hobby", you're the poor victim. Quid pro-quo. Can't have it both ways. Who's got the thin skin now? Your double-standard is the exact behavior you allege to abhor. You are the "Swift-boater" now.
This ain't about me. Carrie is the best in her industry. The industry authority is Radio & Records. They polled, and the masses have spoken. Whatever your personal opinion of the award is, it doesn't matter. She wins. She's the best. It can't be debated. To the victor go the spoils. The rest just sound spoiled.
Game Over. She Won. You Lose.
Well you can attack the messenger all you want. Those awards are suspect. Always have been.
Radio & Records was the industry authority. Now it is part of one big corporate entity, much like Entercom, all companies helping each other out without investigating who the real innovators and risk takers are.
A WBCN disc-jockey noted to me that Oedipus won a car - not because he actually "guessed" which records would hit - but because he had inside information on which records would chart. That inside information could also be construed as something more nefarious - which we've discussed in earlier threads. All these industry "awards" are highly questionable. You, of course, would love to have one even knowing that Diebold votes have more legitimacy. It's an insider's club.
Cindy Sheehan does a legitimate protest of George Bush - they smear the messenger. Chavez calls
Mr. Bush an "alcoholic and a sick man" in Harlem yesterday - Karl Rove comes to Bush's defense.
But as Ed Schultz said, Chavez was technically correct. You can proclaim these awards are "fair and balanced", but so can Fox News. I would like someone independent to give us the real details about these alleged "awards", and what makes Mistress Carrie better than some hard-working person at WJIB or WATD or WPLM. The difference is money. Entercom has lots more of it.
Radio & Records was the industry authority. Now it is part of one big corporate entity, much like Entercom, all companies helping each other out without investigating who the real innovators and risk takers are.
A WBCN disc-jockey noted to me that Oedipus won a car - not because he actually "guessed" which records would hit - but because he had inside information on which records would chart. That inside information could also be construed as something more nefarious - which we've discussed in earlier threads. All these industry "awards" are highly questionable. You, of course, would love to have one even knowing that Diebold votes have more legitimacy. It's an insider's club.
Cindy Sheehan does a legitimate protest of George Bush - they smear the messenger. Chavez calls
Mr. Bush an "alcoholic and a sick man" in Harlem yesterday - Karl Rove comes to Bush's defense.
But as Ed Schultz said, Chavez was technically correct. You can proclaim these awards are "fair and balanced", but so can Fox News. I would like someone independent to give us the real details about these alleged "awards", and what makes Mistress Carrie better than some hard-working person at WJIB or WATD or WPLM. The difference is money. Entercom has lots more of it.
Varulven said:Well you can attack the messenger all you want. Those awards are suspect. Always have been.
Radio & Records was the industry authority. Now it is part of one big corporate entity, much like Entercom, all companies helping each other out without investigating who the real innovators and risk takers are.
A WBCN disc-jockey noted to me that Oedipus won a car - not because he actually "guessed" which records would hit - but because he had inside information on which records would chart. That inside information could also be construed as something more nefarious - which we've discussed in earlier threads. All these industry "awards" are highly questionable. You, of course, would love to have one even knowing that Diebold votes have more legitimacy. It's an insider's club.
I have one. It's not relevant to this discussion. KQRC is the 2006 R&R Active Rock Station Of The Year. Just so you know.
But you couldn't wait to brag. And - wow - so many Entercom stations getting awards! Is Diebold tallying the votes?
This is really great theater. Music Director pats another music director on the back. Both get awards. "This is about Carrie but did you know I have one too!" Charming.
So very suspect.
This is really great theater. Music Director pats another music director on the back. Both get awards. "This is about Carrie but did you know I have one too!" Charming.
So very suspect.
I was originally going to quote the alleged esteemed journalist. But, none of their ramblings have anything to do with this topic. It's not about Oedipus, Bush, Karl Rove, or anything other that a congratulatory note to my friend, and the Radio & Records 2006 Active Rock Music Director Of The Year...from WAAF...Mistress Carrie!
Varulven said:But you couldn't wait to brag. And - wow - so many Entercom stations getting awards! Is Diebold tallying the votes?
This is really great theater. Music Director pats another music director on the back. Both get awards. "This is about Carrie but did you know I have one too!" Charming.
So very suspect.
Actually, had the alleged esteemed music journalist done any fact-checking, he'd have discovered that one Music Director beat the other Music Director in the category they were both nominated in. But, it appears as if their agenda clouded their journalistic integrity once again.
What happened to objective journalism? So sad.
The forum is not legitimate. Not enough Music Directors are nominated or given a chance to win if they don't have "corporate" backing. It's useless to argue because you have become so defensive over the issue my point was proven many posts back.
The process isn't fair. Nor was the Ohio vote fair. Some of us refuse to just listen to this drivel and applaud someone for a job that is less than stellar. WAAF is a bore. 100 awards won't change that.
The process isn't fair. Nor was the Ohio vote fair. Some of us refuse to just listen to this drivel and applaud someone for a job that is less than stellar. WAAF is a bore. 100 awards won't change that.
Varulven said:The forum is not legitimate. Not enough Music Directors are nominated or given a chance to win if they don't have "corporate" backing. It's useless to argue because you have become so defensive over the issue my point was proven many posts back.
The process isn't fair. Nor was the Ohio vote fair. Some of us refuse to just listen to this drivel and applaud someone for a job that is less than stellar. WAAF is a bore. 100 awards won't change that.
Would the alleged esteemed music journalist like to tell the class the nomination process?
Because if one doesn't know the process, one can't criticize it. I know it's a lot to ask to do a little research on the subject when attempting to tear down, but it would help establish a currently nonexistent credibility.
Until you know how the game is played, please stay on the sidelines.
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Ron Jippey
Guest
WAAF is a major station in a major market and irrelevant.
But a cable access show in Malden is critical.
What an absolute load of crapola.
But a cable access show in Malden is critical.
What an absolute load of crapola.
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TowerBuzz
Guest
"I'm someone, really, I'm someone"....
Jesus Christ on a bike, every thread devolves into a battle between the self-perceived great impressario and his astounding resume and everyone else.
I wonder about something--most truly successful people are property owners of some means. Would the "Sol Hurok of Eastern Massachusetts" care to regale us with his mansion-like digs or his grand portfolio?
Doubt it--like his media presence, they don't exist.
Really I think Mistress Carrie is mediocre on air but an award of this size is great recognition for someone who probably does not make anything compared to her counterpart at wbcn. It's a pat on the back and the award IS very political it's mostly a stroke by the radio community which is made up of others just like her who voted for her. It has little to do with corporate ownership of stations because its voted on by the radio community. So what if it's a popularity contest? LIFE is one. Why can't we congratulate her and be done with it? This isnt about who did what 30 years ago its about who is doing whhat here and now. Seeing that Paul Marshall up for the same award in the same category it's big of him to publicly congratulate her. Some other people should learn to be as big.
Jesus Christ on a bike, every thread devolves into a battle between the self-perceived great impressario and his astounding resume and everyone else.
I wonder about something--most truly successful people are property owners of some means. Would the "Sol Hurok of Eastern Massachusetts" care to regale us with his mansion-like digs or his grand portfolio?
Doubt it--like his media presence, they don't exist.
Really I think Mistress Carrie is mediocre on air but an award of this size is great recognition for someone who probably does not make anything compared to her counterpart at wbcn. It's a pat on the back and the award IS very political it's mostly a stroke by the radio community which is made up of others just like her who voted for her. It has little to do with corporate ownership of stations because its voted on by the radio community. So what if it's a popularity contest? LIFE is one. Why can't we congratulate her and be done with it? This isnt about who did what 30 years ago its about who is doing whhat here and now. Seeing that Paul Marshall up for the same award in the same category it's big of him to publicly congratulate her. Some other people should learn to be as big.
T
TowerBuzz
Guest
AAF was playing "Mother Mother" or whatever her lame song was in heavy heavy rotation every morning on Hillman, Cruze was busy playing No Doubt and Red hot Chilli Peppers. WAAF both discovered and promated her.
That's wrong cause Cruze was not even at WFNX when "Mother Mother" was new. Fnx broke it/and her if she can even be considered broken, she sells/sold no records, had grammy nomination but all in all is a great person but nobody cares about her music beyond a small cult following IN BOSTON 10 plus years ago like Juliana Hatfield, Kristen Hersh, etc. The point is you're off on your timetable Brooklyn Fnx picked her up before anyone else at all. Tracy Bonham was around long before the aaf-ification of fnx took place, thats prolly what you mean when you mention Cruze in a post.
That's wrong cause Cruze was not even at WFNX when "Mother Mother" was new. Fnx broke it/and her if she can even be considered broken, she sells/sold no records, had grammy nomination but all in all is a great person but nobody cares about her music beyond a small cult following IN BOSTON 10 plus years ago like Juliana Hatfield, Kristen Hersh, etc. The point is you're off on your timetable Brooklyn Fnx picked her up before anyone else at all. Tracy Bonham was around long before the aaf-ification of fnx took place, thats prolly what you mean when you mention Cruze in a post.
I'll get back to the thread in the third paragraph.
Towerbuzz, a colleague of mine (with lots of credibility) wrote a private e mail showing the similarities between
Brooklyndon and yourself. I forwarded it to the Moderator. That being said "everyone else" is the type of sweeping generalization that takes the air out of your criticisms.
However you are wrong about Tracy Bonham in regards to her sales. She is signed to Rounder now,
and put together a brilliant album in 2000 "Down Here". It might not have sold Sgt. Pepper numbers,
but great work shouldn't need huge sales to justify its existence - or value. She gets decent enough
sales from her fan base. Go check Soundscan if you have access to it. Again, you generalize that you speak for "everyone" on this board, and you lash out at Tracy Bonham's sales or - in your opinion, lack of a fan base.
That being said - you don't like Mistress Carrie on the air, some people love Tracy Bonham's work. Mistress Carrie has the backing of Entercom. She is probably a great employee, doesn't rock the boat, and is exactly what Coporate America desires in 2006/2007. Trouble is, those who fall in line were never the innovators,
the movers and shakers. It is always the people outside of the mainstream that start the trends and pave the way. Do you think Mary Baker Eddy was popular in her time? Mark Twain savaged her - and he would often use his real name - not hide behind an internet handle of the time. Looking at Mrs. Eddy the individual, not the religious leader, she was one of the first Feminists, a woman in a man's world who shook the rafters in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
That's the kind of sparkle I want to hear on radio today - a woman or a man going out and finding a great British band like Veldt, or a superior Boston band like "Last Man Standing". Maybe LMS lost the BCN Rumble, but they have a record that is enormously powerful. Like Tracy Bonham, it has not received the support it deserves. You are right about Tracy, she's a sweetie. Backstage at a Lou Reed show I said to my girlfriend "Have you met John Bonham's daughter?" She replied "Tracy...I knew your dad!" Tracy went along with my little joke. Said girlfriend then goes up to Lou and says "Do you still have your dogs, The Count & The Duke" (named after Count Basie & Duke Ellington, of course. You don't think he named them after David "Thin White Duke" Bowie and....nahhh....he wouldn't name his doggies after two of his loyal fans...)...Lou smiled and said "Yes" although those doggies lived in the 1980s so...if they were still breathing it would've been an amazing feat...
Ahhh...Mistress Carrie...God Bless her...but I'd like to see these individuals get awards without the Entercom and Clear Channel associations - y'know, show up on a 50,000 watt suburban station and shake some action.
Towerbuzz, a colleague of mine (with lots of credibility) wrote a private e mail showing the similarities between
Brooklyndon and yourself. I forwarded it to the Moderator. That being said "everyone else" is the type of sweeping generalization that takes the air out of your criticisms.
However you are wrong about Tracy Bonham in regards to her sales. She is signed to Rounder now,
and put together a brilliant album in 2000 "Down Here". It might not have sold Sgt. Pepper numbers,
but great work shouldn't need huge sales to justify its existence - or value. She gets decent enough
sales from her fan base. Go check Soundscan if you have access to it. Again, you generalize that you speak for "everyone" on this board, and you lash out at Tracy Bonham's sales or - in your opinion, lack of a fan base.
That being said - you don't like Mistress Carrie on the air, some people love Tracy Bonham's work. Mistress Carrie has the backing of Entercom. She is probably a great employee, doesn't rock the boat, and is exactly what Coporate America desires in 2006/2007. Trouble is, those who fall in line were never the innovators,
the movers and shakers. It is always the people outside of the mainstream that start the trends and pave the way. Do you think Mary Baker Eddy was popular in her time? Mark Twain savaged her - and he would often use his real name - not hide behind an internet handle of the time. Looking at Mrs. Eddy the individual, not the religious leader, she was one of the first Feminists, a woman in a man's world who shook the rafters in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
That's the kind of sparkle I want to hear on radio today - a woman or a man going out and finding a great British band like Veldt, or a superior Boston band like "Last Man Standing". Maybe LMS lost the BCN Rumble, but they have a record that is enormously powerful. Like Tracy Bonham, it has not received the support it deserves. You are right about Tracy, she's a sweetie. Backstage at a Lou Reed show I said to my girlfriend "Have you met John Bonham's daughter?" She replied "Tracy...I knew your dad!" Tracy went along with my little joke. Said girlfriend then goes up to Lou and says "Do you still have your dogs, The Count & The Duke" (named after Count Basie & Duke Ellington, of course. You don't think he named them after David "Thin White Duke" Bowie and....nahhh....he wouldn't name his doggies after two of his loyal fans...)...Lou smiled and said "Yes" although those doggies lived in the 1980s so...if they were still breathing it would've been an amazing feat...
Ahhh...Mistress Carrie...God Bless her...but I'd like to see these individuals get awards without the Entercom and Clear Channel associations - y'know, show up on a 50,000 watt suburban station and shake some action.
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Ron Jippey
Guest
Varulven said:Ahhh...Mistress Carrie...God Bless her...but I'd like to see these individuals get awards without the Entercom and Clear Channel associations - y'know, show up on a 50,000 watt suburban station and shake some action.
The level of dementia in this passage can barely be gauged--Carrie's award has less validity because she works for a station that's owned by a large corporation in major city, as opposed to some terciary market backwater at best.
This thread and board are dominated by a poster that thinks that the smaller the market, the more important the station.
Deluded, depraved deviancy. Ergo, unemployable.
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