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Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords

Wait a second, I believe that Gov. Brewer's news conference had both 3 AND 8 mics there. I saw a clip on the late news tonight and there was definitely both 3 and 8 there.

Of course, Denver would NEVER make such an error. Frankly, I'm sure Denver made it share of mistakes during the Columbine coverage. ::)
 
Intra-company station resource sharing is common, particularly in news situations that require extra help...it's not like KGW was covering a dog show for the folks at KTVK.

When that plane crashed near Buffalo, Gannett NBC affiliate WGRZ/2 got some help from sister Gannett NBC affiliate WKYC/3 here in Cleveland. As I recall, the reporter/crew they had up there was in the area for some reason, and had "3" mic flags.
 
formeraa said:
Wait a second, I believe that Gov. Brewer's news conference had both 3 AND 8 mics there. I saw a clip on the late news tonight and there was definitely both 3 and 8 there.
But the baffling $64,000 question is why the KGW mics were anywhere near the venues used today.
Of course, Denver would NEVER make such an error. Frankly, I'm sure Denver made it share of mistakes during the Columbine coverage. ::)
Umm nope. In fact, not even KMGH made such an error during Columbine (And they were still recovering from the sorry excuse of a news department left behind by Natalie Pujo & the Real Life.....Real News moniker from their last days as a CBS affiliate).

Of course, it helps when Fox News used them for breaking news too since KDVR 31 (Which was owned by Fox at the time) didn't have a news department of its own in 1999 (I remember seeing Fox News streaming video which showed the aerial shot from KMGH).

Cheers :D
 
Speaking of KMSB FOX 11. Do they have their own news reporters and produce their own news? Or they still need help from their sister station KTVK in Phoenix and news sharing from KVOA 4.
 
Channel 3 was covering the press conference with both a local photographer and reporter. KTVK is working with their Belo counterparts from KGW for the BCS game and their crew did attend the press conference. I don't know specifically why they were their but obviously they were. They weren't there to cover it because Channel 3 couldn't. They may have been there covering a large national story for their station back in Portland. This is not uncommon.

It wouldn't make sense to run news on KASW (6/61) because they don't regularly program news and don't have a news staff. Also, KTVK was already covering the news event in Tucson.

KMSB in Tucson is now a completely independent news operation and is not broadcast out of Phoenix anymore. I'm not aware of what they did as far as coverage.

I would like to take my hat off to KGUN and KOLD for their coverage of the events in Tucson yesterday. I thought that they responded quickly and effectively to a huge tragedy.

There were some comments about how there was great admiration for news outlets that didn't report false information and got it right. I agree. It just looks like some people on here need to get it right before they post false and inaccurate information.
 
Pat Cook said:
In fact, not even KMGH made such an error during Columbine (And they were still recovering from the sorry excuse of a news department left behind by Natalie Pujo & the Real Life.....Real News moniker from their last days as a CBS affiliate).

Real Life, Real News ran from 1996-98. By that time, they were already an ABC.

Right before the switch, they were still using News Series 2000 and the Colorado's 7 branding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXFQxQEgzUw
After the ABC switch, they picked up Eyewitness News (then a brand new package) before going RLRN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Du015RbcSI
By March 1998, they were "recovering", as I'd put it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1QIwWsm3UA
 
@Pat -- You're the only one claiming that there was some sort of "error" here. You are mistaken that there was an "8" mic without a "3" mic. Every press conference that I saw had a "3" mic at it. At least one of the press conferences had an "8" mic.

To their credit, Belo stations take the news seriously. KGW 8 has an excellent news operations and quickly realized the magniture of this horrific tragedy. Therefore, they placed thier mic at the governor's news conference.

fenix has good, solid info about 3 and posted it above.

Why are you trying to make a story out of a "non-story"?

P.S. Every tragic story like this has its share of learning opportunities. I'm sure that all of the stations will be reviewing their coverage to see how it could be improved the next time.
 
Also, why is KABC 7 mic over in Phoenix?

Also, does KMSB FOX 11 have a very small news crew compare to KVOA, KGUN, and KOLD? What about the Spanish stations, Does Univision 46, and Telemundo 40 produce their local news for Tucson or they have to rely on Phoenix for coverage?
 
I'm guessing Pat has never been a TV news assignment editor.

I have been there, and while I (thankfully) never had to deal with a story of the magnitude of the Giffords shooting, I lived through enough tense days to know that the absolute last thing going through the minds of the people covering the story is "which mic flag is on the stand?"

When the big story hits, it's all hands on deck. Every crew, every piece of gear, every vehicle. And if you're lucky enough to have extra resources in town from a sister station, as Belo apparently did with the KGW crew from Portland, you use the hell out of them.

What were they doing at that news conference? They might have been there getting cutaways and b-roll so the other KTVK crew could focus on getting bites from the news conference. They might have been providing the uplink feed of the unedited newser back to KTVK so the local crew could work on reporting the story for later shows. They might have been there on the network's behalf, supplying video to NBC so that New York had some resources of its own and didn't have to depend on overwhelmed KVOA and KPNX crews while it got its own people in place. They might have been there covering it for Portland, because it was a huge national story and KGW simply wanted to take advantage of having a crew in town for something else.

Whatever they were doing, their presence there wasn't a "mistake" on the part of KTVK or Belo or KVOA or KPNX or NBC or the ghost of David Sarnoff. They were there doing their jobs, because if you're a TV crew and you're on the job in a city where the biggest story of the year is breaking out, you get to the scene and you get your mike on the table and you get the uplink going and you don't really care what the number on your mike flag or the paint job on your news truck says. Within a few hours of a big story like this one breaking, you're going to end up with all sorts of mike flags from all over the country there anyway. That's the nature of the beast.
 
I did notice the KABC mic flags at some later pressers (at conferences with a KNXV flag on another mic). Perhaps they came out themselves to do some reporting or it came with one of their LA correspondents sent to Phoenix.

Surprisingly no mic flags from Yuma yet (KSWT or KYMA). You'd think they'd have a presence.
 
@Scott -- Thanks for the insight.

@Raymie -- Yuma's stations have very small newsteams. They may be very resource constrained.
 
@formeraa - Right you are about Yuma. Those are very small newsrooms, and it's a very long 4 hours from Yuma to Tucson. You get local reax in town and you get whatever else you need from the network, and that's how it is in market 206, especially on a weekend.
 
Amen...well said.


Scott Fybush said:
I'm guessing Pat has never been a TV news assignment editor.

I have been there, and while I (thankfully) never had to deal with a story of the magnitude of the Giffords shooting, I lived through enough tense days to know that the absolute last thing going through the minds of the people covering the story is "which mic flag is on the stand?"

When the big story hits, it's all hands on deck. Every crew, every piece of gear, every vehicle. And if you're lucky enough to have extra resources in town from a sister station, as Belo apparently did with the KGW crew from Portland, you use the hell out of them.

What were they doing at that news conference? They might have been there getting cutaways and b-roll so the other KTVK crew could focus on getting bites from the news conference. They might have been providing the uplink feed of the unedited newser back to KTVK so the local crew could work on reporting the story for later shows. They might have been there on the network's behalf, supplying video to NBC so that New York had some resources of its own and didn't have to depend on overwhelmed KVOA and KPNX crews while it got its own people in place. They might have been there covering it for Portland, because it was a huge national story and KGW simply wanted to take advantage of having a crew in town for something else.

Whatever they were doing, their presence there wasn't a "mistake" on the part of KTVK or Belo or KVOA or KPNX or NBC or the ghost of David Sarnoff. They were there doing their jobs, because if you're a TV crew and you're on the job in a city where the biggest story of the year is breaking out, you get to the scene and you get your mike on the table and you get the uplink going and you don't really care what the number on your mike flag or the paint job on your news truck says. Within a few hours of a big story like this one breaking, you're going to end up with all sorts of mike flags from all over the country there anyway. That's the nature of the beast.
 
After the tragic news helicopter crash several years ago here in Phoenix, Belo crews came from many of their stations to help out so that Channel 3's entire staff could go to the funeral. That's what a quality company like Belo does in times of tragedy.

My cousin is a photographer at KING 5 in Seattle and related the story to me. The Seattle crew learned how difficult it is to work in 110+ degree temperatures and holds their Phoenix colleagues in very high regard.

I'm sure that KGW Newschannel 8 was just helping out where they could to assist in covering a horrific and extremely tragic news event. I remain shocked that someone would question the intent of the news teams this past weekend. Given the dynamics of the situation, I believe that every station in Phoenix did the very best that they could on a fateful Saturday morning.
 
Not 100% related, but in radio, Entercom sent reporters from its other news/talk markets to New Orleans after Katrina...to both report the story back to the home market, and to give WWL staffers a break.
 
A quality company like Belo??!!! NO. Sorry. Belo is NOT a quality company. Aside from my ridiculous personal & professional dealings with them, I can once again state that any company that would employ an idiot like Tara Hitchcock is not a quality company.

And, sorry, formeraa, but Saturday's events proved in a major way how awful TV media is in our town. AWFUL! They reported half-truths, had massive spelling/grammar/pronunciation errors...but worse than anything, they tried to sensationalize whenever they could.

I have said this over & over again on this board...you are not supposed to report anything until you have verified the info from two sources.
But the truth doesn't matter anymore...only ratings. The outlets in this town would rather be the FIRST to give you incorrect breaking news, than actually get the facts verified and give you the truth a bit later.

To use this story to increase viewership shows who we are as a people. And I'm sure that happened all over the country...not just here.
But it shows we are a sad, sad society.
 
@OneHorseTown -- I was specifically addressing Pat Cook's ridiculous assertions about KTVK's cheapness. You know that I agree with you on Tara -- I think I've made it pretty clear. As I said in my previous posts, you do the best that you can at the time. Now, hopefully, the stations are beginning to grade their own performance, which will hopefully lead to future improvements.

That being said, one of my main criticisms about the coverage is that there are very, very few reporters with wrinkles and gray hair who can give context to this situation. I really don't like seeing very green 12News or ABC15 News or "backpack journalists" trying to provide context to a shooting situation. Some of these so-called "reporters" were in middle school when Columbine happened. A major market like Phoenix should have senior-level reporters (not youngsters right out of school). It definitely showed on Saturday and Sunday. Some of these reporters need to go back to Yuma and start over again.
 
OneHorseTown said:
A quality company like Belo??!!! NO. Sorry. Belo is NOT a quality company. Aside from my ridiculous personal & professional dealings with them, I can once again state that any company that would employ an idiot like Tara Hitchcock is not a quality company.

And, sorry, formeraa, but Saturday's events proved in a major way how awful TV media is in our town. AWFUL! They reported half-truths, had massive spelling/grammar/pronunciation errors...but worse than anything, they tried to sensationalize whenever they could.

I have said this over & over again on this board...you are not supposed to report anything until you have verified the info from two sources.
But the truth doesn't matter anymore...only ratings. The outlets in this town would rather be the FIRST to give you incorrect breaking news, than actually get the facts verified and give you the truth a bit later.

To use this story to increase viewership shows who we are as a people. And I'm sure that happened all over the country...not just here.
But it shows we are a sad, sad society.

i think the clinton /monica lowinski business ended the pratice of waiting for 2 sources .
 
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