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Connecticut School of Broadcasting - Needham

I have been considering attending CSB in Needham. I'm most interested in commercial radio, moreso than television. My question to all of you is: provided that I learn the material and that my demo tape is strong, what are my chances of getting a decent job, or even a marginally-decent entry level job in...

a) the Cape Cod market (Hyannis)
b) the R.I market (Providence, or even south coast/New Bedford/Fall River)
c) the Boston market

Before I go and spend 12K, I'd really like to have an idea of what I'd be in for career-wise, and I'd really appreciate any insight.
 
Presidents:

The chances aren't terrible, especially in the New Bedford/Cape Cod markets. CSB is a great choice (especially economically)...but I STRONGLY suggest you THROW yourself into internships. They are far more important than school frankly. In all my years in radio, I have never once been asked where I went to college...and frankly...I've seen kids who come from Emerson without a clue what their doing...$130k down the drain.

$12k is a small price to pay...but you either have it or you don't...you either have a strong base that you can build on, or you don't have the chops for radio.

All of that being said, expect your salary in radio to sink below your most negative expectations. HAHA ;)
 
You could go to Hesser college in Manchester NH for less and get an Associates in Communications for less, and they have a decent radio program. I'm impressed more by a "real" degree when I hire.
Realistically, expect to work in Radio part-time while you have a regular job to pay the bills unless you're either extremely luck or talented.
Good luck to you.
 
I like NHRadio's views. Radio is like little Hollywood. Lots of people want jobs. Most are not talented. And then that leaves the talented ones to be in the right place at the right time, knowing the right people.

If you can get an Associates degree at a school with a good campus radio station or broadcasting program, I would opt for that over CSB. With that said, if CSB is your only option for whatever reason, make sure you explore EVERY internship opportunity, even if it is handing out bumperstickers at remotes. You will need an inside track, so meet everyone you can at every station you can in any and every job description.

Good luck!!
 
I would ABSOLUTELY agree with the internship comment from a previous post. I graduated from CSB about 5 years ago and have been employed ever since. I started with an internship, went to street team, on to working in the Promotions office, board-op, and now I am producing live talk radio. I was never one who "needed" to be on-air. One of the best things about CSB is the number of contacts that they do have. If you take advantage of the studio time to work on your demo and production skills and have the passion and drive to do it, things should work out. The salary issue.............well, let's not go there yet. Good Luck.
 
I wouldn't consider a BS or BA from a well respected communications Colleges throwing money down the drain. During your 4 years at a school like Emerson you get a well rounded liberal arts background that you can use to go to graduate school or for a career in something other than broadcasting. After 9 months a CSB you have a slip of paper that says you attended their school. I don't believe any of their credits can be transfered to a college.

Internships are the best way to get your foot in the door and learn a bit about the business. Most stations want you to be in school. So, I would go the Community College route and get an internship at a good station.

Many stations like WODS and WBOS are always looking for people to work on their street teams and you can usually may about $10.00 bucks an hour.

I have worked with several talented people who graduated from CSB most were working in other fields and wanted to try radio. The key thing is all of them had talent not mention very good voices. Many of the CSB instructors are also currently working in the business and can be good contacts.

Finally, if you are good you can get a job in Providence or the Cape but plan on working two other jobs to make ends meet.

Given the state of radio and the declining job market I wouldn't spend 12k on CSB

Just my 2 cents
 
presidents04 said:
I have been considering attending CSB in Needham.

Here's my take, for what it's worth.....

CSB is incredibly expensive. It's amazing how much money they charge and take in.

There are people who go to CSB and pay the money....and have virtually no chance of getting an on air gig. But CSB will gladly take their money.

That being said....if you are young enough, and have time, and have living expenses under control (live with parents), I would suggest approaching the local radio stations and BEG for something, anything....running the board, entering audio into the automation, production, promotion, transmitter rat, street team, etc. Once in the door, keep availing yourself to more studio work, overnight weekends? Board op? Production? It might lead to a full time gig....and you'll also have access to production studios to work on demo tapes apply elsewhere....and learn board op-ing and automation.

This will save you 12K that you can save for a down payemnt on a condo. ;-)

If you have people you are friendly with in radio that can show you the ropes, then use that conenction too.

Other than that, while radio is a great and enjoyable gig...the future doesn't look too bright.

The above is possible to do without spending 12k.

Keep in mind that the first few jobs in radio will probably pay crappier than crap.

You have to LOVE the business and throw yourself into it to succeed.
 
Lou speaks the gospel truth. A radio station is no place for anyone who hasn't been bitten by "the bug", especially now.

LouBertoni said:
You have to LOVE the business and throw yourself into it to succeed.
 
I went to a broadcasting school, which I don't think is around anymore, determined to be the next big thing on-air.

I learned the fun of production at this place.

I'm not on the air, but I've made a nice little career in the biz.

Keep your options open. Don't let the words "no" and "never" be part of your vocabulary. I wish you well.
 
I'm a graduate of CSB,I looked at school and the 12k as an investment in my radio career. I got my internship through CSB and there connections. The course gives you many exercises that you would experience in a role in a radio or tv set. Also, you teachers are radio personalities and people in the business. As mentioned I got my internship through a teacher that worked at the school and got my foot in the door. One thing I would suggest is time buy. If you are willing to put up the 12k why not invest it in a radio show? with "on the job training". CSB was good for me I was out of school for about 8 years and the course motivated me to learn. But you cna get an internship though a street team and also just looking at local stations websites and apply for non paid gigs.. just my take
 
As a grad of a "Broadcasting School", I'll give you a real-life experience:

I went to a State College and got on the campus radio station. Unfortunately, I spent more time in the station than I ever did in any class, and was thrown out. But...at least I knew what I wanted to do. After being thrown out the second time, I tried my hand at getting a real radio job. I had a couple of years College experience, and I thought, enough ability to get a real gig in Boston.

Little did I know that Boston is one of the largest markets in America, and I was not only competing with other local college kids, but with radio professionals from all over the country, who were trying to get jobs at all the stations I wanted to work for...and even the ones I didn't.

I walked in to WZLX and asked what I needed to do to get a job, and was told I needed to "intern" first. Which, at the time, meant telemarket research calls for no $$$. I didn't want to do it, but it would've been a foot in the door. However...then the question;

"What school are you going to?"

I didn't realize that you had to be attending a local college to get an internship. This was a requirement for the company's public file. So...I started looking at the one-year broadcasting school programs with no other agenda than to get school credit for my internship/foot-in-the-door.

I went to CSB's Needham campus and did an "interview/test reading" to see if I "had the acumen necessary for a career in broadcasting." Now remember, I'd already been doing radio on the FM band for a couple of years, and knew how to run all the equipment in their studios, and was already comfortable on the mic. The first thing the instructor did...was to reposition my chair so that I was sitting straight, with shoulders level and mic positioned squarely in front of me.

It didn't matter to them what I said, or how I read. It was all about sitting up straight.

I was immediately turned off. The fact that Bud Stone had no speaking voice when we spoke...seemed a bit odd as well.

So...I ended up going to the "other broadcasting school" and graduating with a 4.0 (endorsements cost kids...never give free plugs)...Just to be enrolled to get the credit for the internship.

The ultimate point being: You don't need to go to school to get a job in radio...but you need to be in school to get an internship.

As far as getting a gig. I'm a prime example of this; Although I did get my first gigs in town...Be prepared to move. Getting a gig in Boston right out of school is highly unlikely. It does happen. But I wouldn't bet on it. You usually have to leave Boston to get an on-air shift. You can snag production jobs, and other support roles. But, those entry-level, on-air gigs just aren't there anymore. When I came up, there were still live overnights on most stations in, and surrounding Boston. I'm betting WHEB, WGIR, WHJY, and the Worcester stations are all tracked from 7p-5a. I also bet that a lot of Boston stations are now tracking outside drivetime shifts.

Also, I know you mentioned Boston/The Cape/Providence...but take this advice...don't let the market size dictate where you want to work. There are great stations all over America. Moving around to see what it's like is actually part of the adventure for me. I've had a chance to see great cities, and have amazing memories due to being flexible to go where the good gig is. You might find that New Orleans, although having a smaller population than Boston, is actually an amazing place. Or, that, depending on the format, you can work for stations that give you the realistic opportunity to be #1 in the market. A lot of big cities just don't have that as a real option. Try being #1 in LA on a Rock station. Or, #1 in Boston on a Jazz station. Doesn't happen.

But it does in Sacramento, or Columbus, or Austin. Or any of a myriad of cool cities in America.

And as far as the future and money blah blah. Don't let anyone tell you you're going to get rich quick. But guess what? You can make great money. That's the great lie of radio; it doesn't pay well. It does if you're good. I'm not getting (as one PD in Detroit once told me he paid his jocks) "NBA-type salaries"...but I'm also not living in a studio apt. and eating Ramen noodles. Work hard, and you will get paid. Some places better than others. Not at first...but eventually.

The thing is...and this is most important: Love what you do. If you do...then welcome. This isn't a bad way to make a living. It's not easy...but your attitude can really dictate how much work you think it is.

I've never "worked" a day in my 22 years doing this. When it becomes work...I want out.

Good luck.

Paul Marshall
Afternoons/Music Director/Super Genius
KQRC 98-9 The Rock
Kansas City, MO
 
My best to you, first. Second, "get a job" before settling on what you "think" working in radio really is. Get online and scour every trade publication you can stand to read in a day, everyday, weekends too. Don't pay attention to the "Job Openings" section. "Learn" the radio BUSINESS. Find out why people on-air right out of the box don't make much money and work the "graveyard" shift first.

Read why radio jobs are far more than the next great on-air gig. You far from that happening at first. Be happy if you can snag a part time gig overnights on weekends, but look around you and observe what's most important to the radio station. THAT'S the place you make a beeline for.

And, understand going in, that you'll probably hate what you see, but it will earn you a lot of points, can make you a lot of bucks and will be the best education you'll ever learn ... and offer you the most security in this day and age.

Don't turn down any opportunity to talk with a veteran in the sales department. Any interest in sales, goes right to the top of management. It means schlepping equipment to remotes, but also pays in one spot buy, probably more than any voice-track "talent" going and, with a few buys, will open doors to do production for your clients, get you to meet people in the community that can start a buzz about you on the street and you'll be in the GM's eye if you make any effort at all.

About six clients in, you'll be making more than anyone on the air, work fulltime hours and then be able to make the decision about whether to chuck it and taste what it's like to be on the air when the time comes.

They don't fire the sales staff very often. Jocks, board-ops, news people ... they are the first to go, especially the "new hires."

Learn management. Learn sales. After all, if jocks are a dime a dozen, sales people who can hold there own, stay out of the politics and be creative are God.

Hard work? You're damn straight it is. Frustrating as hell. But also, the most rewarding with the chance to advance quickly...and in a lot of places, including radio.

If it weren't for sales, you'd not have a career in radio. Without knowledge and talent, you have little chance. Look in the direction most people don't look ... and you'll EARN the chance to do what you want and stay out of trouble in a business that is more and more depending on $$$$ made each month to pay YOU first, then the rest of the staff, before they get canned for whatever stupid reason .... but usually because the station "isn't making any money."

Trust me. It earned me a great career on air and off for 35 years and counting.

And sell long term, not short. Inside of six months, you'll double or triple the salary of the most "popular" jock on the station ... and then, have a job that you'll be able to sell yourself on the air. An advantage that a lot of jocks just don't have because they don't know "the business" of radio.

Answer yourself this: In a small market (The Cape, Hyanis, Worcester, etc.) who would YOU hire? A guy who knows how to make money or a guy who knows how to talk up the ramp of a record, give the time, weather, temp and reads a liner card?

Give yourself a fighting chance. Go where the bucks are while you're looking for that chance to replace automation which is doing on air jobs more and more every day.

Save $12k ... sit up straight and spend $1200 on some decent clothes. You'll make money and learn "the Business of Radio" while "playing" what you think you really want to do, while you duck and hide from a GM who wants to cut expenses every time he / she passes by the studio. Better to be out on the street working instead of being kicked to the curb.

Good luck!
 
oaktree said:
They don't fire the sales staff very often. Jocks, board-ops, news people ... they are the first to go, especially the "new hires."

You know this used to be the mantra. Sales is secure...on-air jobs are not.

I would offer that nowadays this seems to be changing.

Some stations have more stable air staffs these days than sales departments.)
 
As a PD I can tell you that having attended CSB or any broadcasting school does not carry weight or better your chances of getting a job. You will learn as much, if not more, in an internship. Plus, being at a radio station as an unpaid intern gives you the chance to meet the people inside and develop relationships. Save your money and just write to every PD, promotions director or anyone at a station that would be hiring interns. Get inside first, then go from there.
 
I actually graduated from Hesser College in their communications program back in 1994. That would be a great choice. Especially if you want to save some $$$$$
 
Approach station owners of smaller AM or FM stations.... Lewiston Maine, Milford MA, New Bedford MA, etc... get 20 minutes with him/her (the owner), and convince him/her you want to "Do radio". Tell him/her you want to be on-air, off-air, write creative copy, pull weeds from the tower area, get coffee, actually pretend you would enjoy playing Perry Como records, maybe even try sales! -and that you'ld like to get the all around feel of the station for a couple years or more. If the owner thinks that your help will assist him/her to make some money, and if you have a pleasant neat appearance and are literate, then you might just very well be "in". No broadcasting school needed.
---- One of the reasons I chose a one-man station model, is because prior to that, all applicants were interested in one thing only... on-air. (Another reason is because my model has no runaway budget, and is probably the most predicatable and stable operations around).
---- But you really want to get in fast? Tell the owner you want on-air AND sales. That's the brightest combination possible. You, as a DJ/salesperson; walking into a potential client's business as a PERSONALITY, gets you in the door, and THEN strike with the sales pitch. In my 17 years of station ownership, not one person looking for employment has made that DJ/Sales pitch to me. (Too late now, as my stations are successfully on listener-support model; based upon little or no commercials promised).
 
I went there in 2001....met the guy whose show I ended up producing....got my first full time production job right after graduation at a station one of my teachers ran....have had one radio job or another ever since (though part time most of the time)....made some lifelong friends/connections....even ended up teaching production there after a few years out....

The school has changed owners since I went there, and word on the street is that the new owners are idiots--but the teachers and the staff are what make the place work. I personally found it to be a great experience BUT money is different these days than it was back then. Thinking back, I'm really glad I went, but it's only what you make of it.

Whatever you do, go here first:
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,110825.0.html
and read what others have to say about whether or not you should go into radio at all.
 
I gradutated there in may 0f 06, and for me personally it has worked. BUT the only reason it worked was because I worked my ass off. Most stations wont give you an internship if you aren't getting school credit for it. So in that sense its great because its something to tell the station.

I loved the place, but a negative about it was that I got my 2 internships completely on my own. They really only provided the letter head to prove that I was in school and not much else. And I only got my first one (at WAAF) because Ive known Mike Hsu for years because I play in a band and we see eachother at shows.

A positve is that you dont waste your time with math and english and all that real college stuff, its strictly radio and tv.

You really wont learn ALL that much. Like they tell you at orientation, you will learn more at your first job/internship than you will learn here. Very true. But I got an internship at waaf and the Howard Stern Show because of the CSB letterhead.

To answer your question, I went there and now Im doing weekends at pixy 103 down the cape. If you can get an internship without going there, do so and skip school. If you cant, go there and get what ya can from them.


- Jackson
 
Math and English are not wasted knowledge. Even on the air, it helps to be able to spell and use correct grammar. It certainly helps you to communicate with professionals (management) when trying to get in the door. That said, I would advise you to go to a regular school (community college and on to a four year degree), work at the campus station and do as many internships as you can get for yourself (shows that you have initiative and can follow-through), learn everything that you possibly can. This way, you will be able to support yourself if radio cannot. You will have the knowledge to have intelligent discussions with clients, listeners, management, and you will have something to fall back on if your station is sold and the entire staff gets laid off or if the station goes to automation.

Keep in mind that there are a lot of announcers out there who were cut by Metro, Greater Media, Clear Channel, etc. Radio is not what it was in the seventies and eighties. Sales is a very lucrative option, but it is hard, hard work that does not turn off at 5 pm.

Good luck to you and may you always be employed in a career that you absolutely love.
 
So NHRadio, you belong to the group of bosses that's been hiring the bad talent in radio that got the rest of us great radio guys coming along to save the day. I guess we should all thank you!

To the with the question of CSB, I gotta agree with the other post, either you got or you don't.......CSB can be a nice thing to have but if you have some great passion to get into radio you still can without CSB. Hopefully all the guys who are concentrating on hiring "people" with those "real" degrees, are all put out on the streets along with all the poor talent that they have flooded our radio stations and radio airwaves with!!!! :-*
 
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