Oh and by the way my night class was 16 weeks and pretty much all the students get some sort of financial aid. I received a scholarship.
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DoogieDown1
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We brought in a CSB grad as an intern and then part-timer, and he did an absolutely GREAT job for us. If we can find more work for him, we will. He hit the ground running. So I'd have to say my experience with a CSB student was a good one. He was one of Ken Barnett's students.
benjamin-reeves said:
Congratulations, here is the REAL question. Can you do it in the #5 market? Trust me, unless you have previous "On-Air" board skills, and not some school internet webcast, your gonna be starting off in some other capacity. Unless, you get on through a friend already at a station. Then your gonna run a board on the weekends with no live talent. You wont start in production and forget about morning show. That's reality.
Really the only response i have for that would be you can't start off at the top. I may not be able to START running the board for a morning show but i started working promotions at a station the 3rd week of class just to get my foot in the door and the program director wants to hear my air checks and for me to start running the board on weekends. Also, we do have talents there on the weekend. After only 3 months of working with them they want to hear my air check and me to run the board, I personally don't think thats to bad. Now if I get on air...who knows but you start from the bottom and work your way up. Even with a 4 year degree you most likely don't start at the top either. Regardless the program director also made the comment that when it comes down to hiring, in one hand a 4 year degree and no experience and the other hand somebody with the experience I have he would rather pick the experience. So my question to you is, Why the hell not try? All they can do is tell me I'm not ready and to keep practicing.
what's horrible for the students of the school is that their contract read that they'd have lifetime access to equipment and technologies used by stations. The kids would be able to always return back to the school to learn, regardless of graduation date. Another sad day in radio
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ISaidSo
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Will somebody please tap the breaks on the greatness of Radio trade Schools! Doing internet radio at a trade school Has nothing to do with working in radio. 9 out of 10 Board-ops started with NO experience working weekend shifts, and didn't spend a dime at a trade school. Hey Ben-Reeves They always say they want to hear your tape, they are being nice. Also, You do not know how to Program, Produce, and Image a station because you did it at CSB.... The truth is those places take peoples money teaches them just enough to make them dangerous, and leads them to think they are headed for stardom..... It is sad really. How many grads do you think they turn out every month? How many hosts work in this market? NONE.
I'd hate to think I spent that much money for a part-time job making $8 an hour. (Which by the way is about what they pay the teachers that work there)
Nothing wrong with starting at the bottom, and working hard, just have some perspective.
Moving on.
I'd hate to think I spent that much money for a part-time job making $8 an hour. (Which by the way is about what they pay the teachers that work there)
Nothing wrong with starting at the bottom, and working hard, just have some perspective.
Moving on.
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analog78
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Dunno where you heard that...
It is incorrect.
benjamin-reeves said:
Ah, to be young in the game and naive. Let me break this down to you.
This is the only accurate statement you made " you can't start off at the top." Even after five years in the industry you wont be anywhere near the middle rung of this business.
Next, "i started working promotions at a station the 3rd week of class just to get my foot in the door"
Congratulations, your now "just a promo kid", kid. It takes no talent to hand out t-shirts and set up booths.
Next, "the program director wants to hear my air checks and for me to start running the board on weekends" How does you giving your air checks to the PR allow you to run a board?(rhetorical) It doesn't. PD's ALWAYS say they wanna hear your air check. BTW, do you know how many air checks they have stacked in the office that they dont listen to?(Rhetorical)
Next, "we do have talents there on the weekend" Those are NOT talents, they are paid programming. They PAY to be on the air. No one really cares what they sound like. It's all about the $$$$$
Next, "I personally don't think thats to bad" Dont think kid, YOU know nothing about this business.
Next, "Even with a 4 year degree you most likely don't start at the top either" These guys are usually what we refer to as the "sales weasels".
Next, "Regardless the program director also made the comment that when it comes down to hiring, in one hand a 4 year degree and no experience and the other hand somebody with the experience I have he would rather pick the experience" The only difference between you and the degree is the actual degree and what you paid for the training.
And finally, "So my question to you is, Why the hell not try" You can try. You wont have much success. Actually your gonna spend time answering phones or running taped programming. You will not touch a board with talent "in studio" for some time. When you do you will realize the difference. No PD is gonna give a fresh wet behind the ears kid a shot at screwing up the "On Air" quality of sound of the station. I hope your prepared to run over night shifts on the weekend.
One more thing, get used to hearing the phrase "keep practicing".
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MikeShannon914
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Sheesh, BoardMonkey!! You forgot about, "There is no Santa Claus," "Your mother wasn't a virgin when she met your dad," "Your brother was indeed your parents' favorite," "Your wife's lied to you for years about her ongoing affair," and, "Remember your long-lost pet, Fluffy the Rabbit? Well, that wasn't fried chicken we had for dinner that night."
MikeShannon914 said:
Thanks for reminding me Mike.
One more thing, that red suited guy that came every December 25 was just a cover for your wh**e mother. There is NO Santa Claus. In you father's eyes you should have never been born and I crushed you pet fluffy's head with a board!
;D ;D (big evil grin)disclaimer: this post is all in jest of Mike's original post.
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nomansland91
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Benjamin,
My advice to you is to totally ignore Board Monkey.lol Your drive and determination is what will set you apart from everyone else. You are absolutely right about starting out at the bottom. Eric Logan (formally Executive VP of Programming of XM and now Executive VP for Oprah's Harpo Productions) will freely admit that he began his career as a station mascot. I am not saying everyone will achieve what Eric did, but I am saying you will never know until you try.
That 4 year degree? It does not matter if it is a degree in broadcasting because experience is the thing that is most important. That being said, a 4 year degree will help you if you ever need another job or if you want to go into management. I began my radio career as a board op after graduating from college. I did that for 6 months until someone left the station and I was given their job. It paid $14,000 a year, but I knew it was a chance to learn the business. A year later, I took another job at a better rated station and was paid $24,000 a year...a few years later I took a job making $37,000..and so forth and so on.
Having a great attitude...leaving the ego at the door...being willing to learn and take direction...and yes, being in the right place at the right time ALL factor in to having a career in radio. Is it political? Hell yes. But any job you take is going to be laced with politics in some shape or form.
Do not...and I repeat...DO NOT listen to the bitter people on this board who have not gotten what they think they "deserve" and are without a dream of what would they would like to achieve. Persistence is the only thing you need. If you want it bad enough, you can do anything.
Learn from everyone...ask questions...be reliable...do not get involved with station gossip...have a great attitude...these are the things that will make you stand out in people's minds. You could have 30 years in the biz...but if you have a bitter attitude, are a know it all prima donna, resistant to changing technology (see.."That's not how we did it in the old days) your years of experience will not mean squat.
Take whatever opportunity you are given and make it work to your advantage. Everything that you do makes you better.
My advice to you is to totally ignore Board Monkey.lol Your drive and determination is what will set you apart from everyone else. You are absolutely right about starting out at the bottom. Eric Logan (formally Executive VP of Programming of XM and now Executive VP for Oprah's Harpo Productions) will freely admit that he began his career as a station mascot. I am not saying everyone will achieve what Eric did, but I am saying you will never know until you try.
That 4 year degree? It does not matter if it is a degree in broadcasting because experience is the thing that is most important. That being said, a 4 year degree will help you if you ever need another job or if you want to go into management. I began my radio career as a board op after graduating from college. I did that for 6 months until someone left the station and I was given their job. It paid $14,000 a year, but I knew it was a chance to learn the business. A year later, I took another job at a better rated station and was paid $24,000 a year...a few years later I took a job making $37,000..and so forth and so on.
Having a great attitude...leaving the ego at the door...being willing to learn and take direction...and yes, being in the right place at the right time ALL factor in to having a career in radio. Is it political? Hell yes. But any job you take is going to be laced with politics in some shape or form.
Do not...and I repeat...DO NOT listen to the bitter people on this board who have not gotten what they think they "deserve" and are without a dream of what would they would like to achieve. Persistence is the only thing you need. If you want it bad enough, you can do anything.
Learn from everyone...ask questions...be reliable...do not get involved with station gossip...have a great attitude...these are the things that will make you stand out in people's minds. You could have 30 years in the biz...but if you have a bitter attitude, are a know it all prima donna, resistant to changing technology (see.."That's not how we did it in the old days) your years of experience will not mean squat.
Take whatever opportunity you are given and make it work to your advantage. Everything that you do makes you better.
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5515
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analog78 said:
I've noticed that ISaidSo likes to just pull info out of the air and assume it's true. It happens daily and usually leans towards the negative.
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nomansland91 said:
MAn, I couldn't have said it better myself.
It's sad to see so many jaded and negative individuals giving 'advice' to a younger generation who wants to be in the business. Sure, you can present them the good sides and the bad sides of radio, but you can also tell when someone has a passion for it and is willing to do what it takes... and I like to encourage those people to get into the business that I love. Let them learn for themselves about the downfalls of the business... and let them decide if it's for them or not. I've been working in radio for 20 years now. I went from a broadcasting school (4 months) to a small market stationb (1 1/2 years) to a top ten market station to the #5 market. Like I said, there are some negative aspects of it... but over all I still love what I do.
Good luck to those of you who are on a mission to succeed in this business. Hopefully you will do just that and won't spend all of your time complaining and shooting down the hopes and dreams of others who want the same.
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ISaidSo
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What exactly have I pulled out of the air? That i know 2 people that made almost nothing while teaching at CSB? Because that is true... That you, while calling out others for hiding behind a screen name, still have yet to tell us wh YOU are... Or that that you attack anyone that dare call out yourself, or your alterego/BFF Eric? Please tell me. If we are going for honesty, lets see some from you, Mr 5515. 8)
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ISaidSo
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As far as those of us who feel the need to point out the fact that there are in fact negatives about the Radio business... Don't you think that the kid should know that also? He is coming from a school that gives false hope, tells them that they are on the way to stardom, and that when they finish school they will take the broadcast world by storm. Well as I pointed out that is not the case....I asked and have heard nothing back about One successful local CSB grad... Anyone? Proof that CSB cared only about the cash and not about turning out broadcasters is how they lock the door, and screwed all of the current students! You Polly Sunshine boys know how hard this business is, and Luck plays a huge part in it, there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.
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5515
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lol
of course. whatever you say, slick. sounds to me like you got it all figured out.
of course. whatever you say, slick. sounds to me like you got it all figured out.
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ISaidSo
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Once again (5515) given the chance to back up just one of the things he says or complains about and he dodges it....
Same thing everytime.
Case closed.
Same thing everytime.
Case closed.
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5515
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ISaidSo said:
there's no point in responding to your posts usually.
1) you said the instructors make $8 an hour. People who have worked there disputed it. Done.
2) you have this hang up about knowing who I am, when in all reality and common sense (which you obviously have a hard time with) I have a screen name just like you. Care to reveal your real name and where you work? Probably not. There is no reason whatsoever for me to disclose who I am or what I do in order to satisfy your need to know when my job could be in jeapordy if I do so. If you can't figure that out on your own, then I don't know what to tell you.
3) Most of the 'facts' you have stated regarding Eric or anyone else at KRLD-FM are incorrect. You claim to have some inside knowledge and all of this information about who does what and how things work, when in reality most everything you said is wrong. I am a full time employee for the station and I have a detailed knowledge of what goes on. My telling you that you are wrong does not mean that I am going to (again) jeopardize my career or violate my employee trust by divulging info that is privileged.
4) Eric is not my best friend and I am not Eric. I also have no reason to kiss up to Eric or anyone else unless it affects my job directly. However, I am not going to sit by and watch while someone spews incorrect information about a hard working individual. As I have said before, you may not like the resulting show. You may not like what you see as his delivery or what he adds to the show. But the fact remains that you have no clue what he does, how he does it, who he has to deal with and go through, or who he has to answer to and follow instructions from, which may or may not have a direct impact on the way his work comes across the air. You may not like the ending product (and I may not either), but you have no clue how it got there (and I do and I have seen the causes and effects).
There... that's about all the time I want to spend responding to you. It won't change anything. You'll still go around the board spewing negative and incorrect information that makes whatever stance you take seem to be correct.
Again... good luck to those who are getting into the business. It's a hard one. No great money. No great ending results. Unless of course you hit the big time. But if you love what you do and learn from your experiences, then you will most likely do well. CSB may not be the best avenue to get into the business, but it's not going to hinder you by any means. The only thing that will do that is your own decisions.
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