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CONNECTICUT SCHOOL OF BROADCASTING SHUTS DOWN

5515 said:
2) you have this hang up about knowing who I am, when in all reality and common sense (which you obviously have a hard time with) I have a screen name just like you. Care to reveal your real name and where you work? Probably not. There is no reason whatsoever for me to disclose who I am or what I do in order to satisfy your need to know when my job could be in jeapordy if I do so. If you can't figure that out on your own, then I don't know what to tell you.
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I just wanna post a response to this idea of we have to identify ourselves in order to be credible. I believe in personal security and the field that I'm going into requires you to be able to maintain that. I can't be able to type "my name" in google and my real name pop up on the blotter of the internet. That's why I use a screen name on ever site I'm on. For those of you that use your real name, that is your choice. For those that seem to have to know who everyone is after they disagree with a post or want to "add" credibilty to their post, get over it. Its the internet. Finally, for those that do it as if they are better and more profound because they use their real name, your not. Maybe like Mike Shannon has said it helps to keep him honest. The people that know me in the real world know that my posts aren't too far off from my personality. To an extent.
 
there's no point in responding to your posts usually.

1) you said the instructors make $8 an hour. People who have worked there disputed it. Done.

2) you have this hang up about knowing who I am, when in all reality and common sense (which you obviously have a hard time with) I have a screen name just like you. Care to reveal your real name and where you work? Probably not. There is no reason whatsoever for me to disclose who I am or what I do in order to satisfy your need to know when my job could be in jeapordy if I do so. If you can't figure that out on your own, then I don't know what to tell you.

3) Most of the 'facts' you have stated regarding Eric or anyone else at KRLD-FM are incorrect. You claim to have some inside knowledge and all of this information about who does what and how things work, when in reality most everything you said is wrong. I am a full time employee for the station and I have a detailed knowledge of what goes on. My telling you that you are wrong does not mean that I am going to (again) jeopardize my career or violate my employee trust by divulging info that is privileged.

4) Eric is not my best friend and I am not Eric. I also have no reason to kiss up to Eric or anyone else unless it affects my job directly. However, I am not going to sit by and watch while someone spews incorrect information about a hard working individual. As I have said before, you may not like the resulting show. You may not like what you see as his delivery or what he adds to the show. But the fact remains that you have no clue what he does, how he does it, who he has to deal with and go through, or who he has to answer to and follow instructions from, which may or may not have a direct impact on the way his work comes across the air. You may not like the ending product (and I may not either), but you have no clue how it got there (and I do and I have seen the causes and effects).

There... that's about all the time I want to spend responding to you. It won't change anything. You'll still go around the board spewing negative and incorrect information that makes whatever stance you take seem to be correct.

Again... good luck to those who are getting into the business. It's a hard one. No great money. No great ending results. Unless of course you hit the big time. But if you love what you do and learn from your experiences, then you will most likely do well. CSB may not be the best avenue to get into the business, but it's not going to hinder you by any means. The only thing that will do that is your own decisions.
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PLEASE, nobody misinterpret what I am saying. I totally agree we have a right to protect ourselves on this board and use whatever screen name we want. In fact I think that using a screen name makes us more honest. Not the other way around. By using a screen name we can give our real views and not one that we are careful not to upset the powers that be. I asked 5515 to come clean because he (on the Ben and Skin thread) said that people only talk SH@t because they don't use real names.. If he (or she) is going to say something like that, and then attack those same people, then he must stand up and give his name, or be a complete Hypocrite! Period.

As far as the rest of his rant, there is nothing that supports your opinion as fact more than mine, or vice versa. Just because you say I’m wrong doesn’t make it so. I have my contacts/friends that tell me things are much different than you want us to believe. You working there and protecting your boy somewhat discounts your opinions. I have real knowledge that neither ABS or CSB pay much, MAYBE it is more than $8, but not much more. My opinions on The Fan, and Eric, and B&S come from people close to the show (Very) and my own ears. As I posted, it is very clear when you listen that B&S have NO real producer. Real producers don't run the board, they work the phones, book guests, talk to the hosts between segments about direction, topics, etc. They drive the train. The Fact that The Fan is running shows without this is one of the stations Biggest problems. It shows on every show, everyday... Eric is a board-op that has no real experience doing any of those things. This hurts the B&S show, not his fault, just a fact.
 
like I said...

It won't change anything. You'll still go around the board spewing negative and incorrect information that makes whatever stance you take seem to be correct.

and like I said...

It sounds like you got it all worked out. ;)

You can call me a hypocrite all you want. I have not talked smack about you. I did not insult you or throw sideways shots at you. I just told you that you were wrong about your insults and information regarding Eric. You can say you have an inside source, but whether your inside source is as jaded as you are or they are clueless to what goes on around the building, the information you have relayed here is mostly wrong.

Good luck.
 
I.S.S.

Your claim that ABS pays its instructors a measily hourly wage is flat wrong and ignorant. If you have contacts that have told you ABS pays their instructors by the hour, then they are wrong. My friend who used to be an instructor at ABS, was erning a salary of around $40 K a year, at the time he resigned. That was in the middle of the year 2008.

Please explain to us how an ABS instructor can earn that much money, if ABS is dishing out cheap, hourly wages. $40 K a year is certainlly far more than $8 bucks an hour.
 
Your right, everyone that works at ABS s getting rich. BTW: if that is true it makes it even more of a rip off, bunch of people with little or no real radio experience teaching a bunch of start struck hopefuls stuff that will never help them. The reason a place like ABS and the former CSB are bad is because no matter how terrible you are they will tell you that you have a chance. EVERYBODY passes!!!! They tell them that they will help them get a job, ever seen the ads the students run? Each one worded the same, each one hopeless. I don't care what they pay (despite the fact that I have friends that taught at both and neither one made much) They should be put out of business!
 
I have read the last five pages of information pertaining to both CSB and ABS, and to set the record strait-- YES CSB Paid more than $8.00 an hour-- I know I was one of the instructors in the first year of so.. YES ABS pays their instuctors a salary, they are full time instructors for the most part, and then they invite those that work in industry, in specific areas to come to talk to the classes-- I know that to be a fact, for I was one of the few that was asked to come in and do just that...

Now thats off the table- Mr. Reeves! This is directed to you-- KEEP THE PASSION! Don't listen to anyone that will tell you that YOU can't make it! THATS BULL!

Board Monkey! Whatever it is that you think has done you wrong, or has kept you from moving in the direction you wish to be in, I am sorry... you're working in a top 10 market-- hell you're working in a top FIVE market! That is an accomplishment in its own right, but it does not give you ANY RIGHT to tell someone else that they won't make it!

Since the day I started in this business 25 years ago, I have done pretty much every level you can imagine. I did it without degree or diploma... but I had PASSION! and to this day I have PASSION for this business.

I have worked in small markets to hone my skills, I have worked at major radio stations with major talent, and have been on air for the better part of those 25 years.

Now you might consider me to be "Small" because I don't work for a CBS or Culimus Property, or a Clear Channel for that matter, but the fact is, I have worked on the very frequencies that made this market stand out from others in this country for a number of years.

From the people like Bob Leonard, and Kate Delaney, to Ken Barnett, and others that worked for CSB, our FIRST order of business was to let the students know that in order to compete and work in this business on any level, YOU must have to have PASSION!

No one is going to get rich, unless you're a Russ Martin, or Ron Chapman, Howard Stern or Rush Limbaugh... now who among us wouldn't like to have those paychecks... I know I would!

With that said-- I have hired people from both schools, and aside from the one or two that couldn't carry a coherant sentence with both hands.. they have been gems!

So, the free piece of advice that I pass along-- keep your passion, keep your dream...and keep working at what you want to do... NO telling where it will lead and no telling where you might wind up!

Its just a thought!

Dave Michaels
KVCE 1160AM
Davradio Productions
Dallas,Texas
 
I think Dave would be optimistic about arranging the chairs for the band on the Titanic. Oh wait, he is. Hey Dave I hope you take your floaties to work with you everyday. ;D
 
RIGHT ON, DAVE!!!!!!

You da man dude :)

It is unfortunate how these days the bean counters put profit ahead of passion. Passion is priceless, and that is true no matter what your area of passion revolves around. Getting to put your skills towards your passion, anywhere you can, is an accomplishment. You will go far with that attitude and desire, and the rewards you get along the way will be your trophies.

The only thing passionate people have to really worry about, is some greedy and foolish employer who kills your passion by reassigning you to duties not in line with your career. See the Mesquite Schools for an example of that one.
 
ISaidSo said:
Your right, everyone that works at ABS s getting rich. BTW: if that is true it makes it even more of a rip off, bunch of people with little or no real radio experience teaching a bunch of start struck hopefuls stuff that will never help them. The reason a place like ABS and the former CSB are bad is because no matter how terrible you are they will tell you that you have a chance. EVERYBODY passes!!!! They tell them that they will help them get a job, ever seen the ads the students run? Each one worded the same, each one hopeless. I don't care what they pay (despite the fact that I have friends that taught at both and neither one made much) They should be put out of business!
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I'm sorry I.S.S., but it sounds to me like you have a personal axe to grind. As I stated on another post, my friend who worked for ABS, totally regets resigning from there. He thought a job completely unrelated to radio, and paying about $10 K more would be worth it. He hates that job. I'd hardly call him greedy and he did have 5 years of real radio experience when he was originally hired by ABS.

If you believe broadcasting schools are a waste of time and money, that's your opinion. And really the radio profession as a whole is full of far more greed for money, than broadcasting schools.
 
ok, Isaidso...

No disrespect, but you are wrong. CSB paid more than $8/hr. They had former PD's and other VERY experience and current market professionals teaching there. Only 1 guy didn't deserve to be there. and no not everyone passes, yes the curriculum did provide the same copy for mock commercials to students, as mandated by the state, but students also wrote their own copy as well. The company whom purchased the school last year ran it under, but there were some great people who worked there who only did it because of the students. If you have no direct experience with CSB, ABS, KRLD-FM and admit you don't, there goes your credibility. I am biased having direct involvement w/ csb, but have heard and seen good things from ABS. I have worked with people from ABS and they are great.

Keep posting your opinions though! good to have opposing viewpoints, even when some details are erroneous.
 
I never went to a tech-school like CSB or American, I had hands on training sort of speak. For some reason I don't know if it was because my trainer was hot or just a great person I will not forget her name. Dog gone if I never said she was cute.. ( some jocks know the proffesional shyness ) , well I had it with her.

Former 1991 trainee at KTLR.
 
analog78 said:
ok, Isaidso...

No disrespect, but you are wrong. CSB paid more than $8/hr. They had former PD's and other VERY experience and current market professionals teaching there. Only 1 guy didn't deserve to be there. and no not everyone passes, yes the curriculum did provide the same copy for mock commercials to students, as mandated by the state, but students also wrote their own copy as well. The company whom purchased the school last year ran it under, but there were some great people who worked there who only did it because of the students. If you have no direct experience with CSB, ABS, KRLD-FM and admit you don't, there goes your credibility. I am biased having direct involvement w/ csb, but have heard and seen good things from ABS. I have worked with people from ABS and they are great.

Keep posting your opinions though! good to have opposing viewpoints, even when some details are erroneous.
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Well, then with all of the protesters... Maybe they went out of business because they paid the staff so much money! Everyone seems really hung up on the $8 comment. That was what is known as a Exaggeration, I don't know the exact number, but I do IN FACT know 2 people that taught there and both told me that the pay was bad, so that is all I have to go on. I love comments like there was one guy who had 5 years of radio experience, and even some PD's worked there. Well 5 years is not much time in the biz, and any PD that has time to teach and run a station is either not running much of a station, or doing a really terrible job. Even the great Dave Michaels taught at one of these.... And I would know his work from.......Ticket Board-op? Internet Broadcaster? Or Part of the Tom Bailey 990 fiasco! Wow, I'm surprised they didn't turn out ALL of the talent in this market, with such an amazing line-up of great teachers! Even the people I knew that worked there did it for a few extra bucks (Very Few) and said it was pretty much a joke, and that nobody was really learning anything. The point is both tech schools were/are bad. Period. Just a scam to take money from people. Please show me the list of people that did not pass after paying the money for the “Classes”! Still waiting on the long list of amazing Grads that have taken over radio. How many Grads do they have a year? 50? 100? How many are on the air here? I can count 20 off the top of my head from North Texas, many in high profile positions. I can count another 10 from KTCU, Many of them in management/Producer/Production positions. I’m sure there are Many more that I don’t know. But, I have worked with maybe 30 different grads from ABS and CSB and none got further than weekenders or Board-ops, or most often Promotion staff. Can anyone name any that are legit full time radio people in this market? This rant is not to attack those who a trying to break in, it is to expose those who do not know that these tech schools are a dead end to nowhere.
 
Really, you're making too much of a big deal over broadcasting schools. It's not like your tax dollars fund the schools. Maybe the rest of us should bash about some of the other trade schools?
 
The school paid starting teachers $20 per hour, more based on industry experience or longevity at the school, the same with any other business. It was stated earlier that the company that bought the school ran it into the ground. This is 100% true. I can remember countless discussions with teachers about the direction that it was heading, neither of us very optimistic. The school was founded in the '60's and did fairly well until it was bought some years ago, and they tried to change a format that worked.

So in that regard, they had the radio business down perfectly! :)
 
"erroneous, fabricated, tainted..."

How is what I said tainted/fabricated/erroneous? I qualified my remarks earlier in this post. Yes I did work there, and go to school there. Yes, I am angry that the cost of my time there was wasted/overpriced. No, I have not lied about anything on these boards, ever. Far too many fact checkers here to try and get away with that. I only stated conversations that I had with other individuals as MY opinions. The pay rate is fact, as well as the time frame for when the school was started.

Tainted, that is YOUR opinion and you are welcome to it.
Fabricated, not a chance
Erroneous, way off base there.

But I am glad I made you laugh.
 
settle down, killer. i was agreeing with you. my comments were only in further reference to ISS.
 
ISS-- if you are going to proclaim you know my work from KTCK- Internet Broadcast- and 990-- then you obviously don't know me or my resume', but for what it is worth so be it!

Allow me to enlighten you, and bring you up to speed-- My body of work started out like many in the business, by accident, with a morning drive time guy named Ryan West at KAFM 92 1/2 FM (now Lone Star 92.5)
being he part of character, to being taught how to develop characters and getting into the business... then from there to what I would assume you consider the absolute total ass busting Traffic Reporter for Traffic Patrol Broadcasting
working with people like the late Tim Hawkins, Allen Free, and a host of others, then working for KGBS 1190AM and bringing someone on board as an intern like Jeff Catlin
then leaving there and working for USA OVER NIGHT with Allen Free from there to KLUV and working with Chuck Brinkman, and Don Owens and Debbie Diaz--- you seeing a pattern here?

Pepi Harris hired me to be a board op, webmaster for the original TICKET Website, then Shadow Broadcasting-- then from there left to go work in Lufkin, Texas because I wanted to get better at what I was doing!

WITH THAT SAID! My teaching at CSB was asked by the original owner not the new operators that burried it into the ground!

There were students who didn't pass- there were those who dropped out-- there are those who spent their money and will never get a job in radio to even sweep the floor or clean the coffee cups... but hey that happens!

I am sorry you think that some of us that are in the industry don't rank as high as you because you work for whatever corporation that you happen to get a paycheck from, some of us had to blaze a path for ourselves away from the corporate world
and make our own money and continue to provide a service for listeners that have been well received.

SO ISS-- please before you start tearing my career down-- know it-- otherwise-- I don't trash your career-- you do what you do and make your living, and the rest of us will do the same

Just a thought

Dave Michaels
Owner
Davradio Productions
KVCE 1160AM
 
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