CONNECTICUT SCHOOL OF BROADCASTING SHUTS DOWN

[analog78]

ISS,

You like to argue ;D, too bad you don't read as much as you like to write. I have seen a few names dropped as success stories from our side, where are your names.... Oh wait that's why you are bitter, your personal avenue apparently didn't work for you. Sorry, about that .

Again, name 1 school of any kind that isn't a diploma factory on some level, and only produces quality talent for whatever field.

Bet you can't name 1 school on the planet that is the "super" school you dream of...

Thanks for listening........


Have a nice day.

 

[ISaidSo]

Just looked thru, can't find one... Can you type them for me? Here are just a couple for you George Dunham, Craig Miller, Mark Followill, Dave Barnnet, there is just 4 from UNT... I never said only quality talent... I said NO quality talent. There is NO Talent in this market from ABS or CSB. Not ONE Host that you have ever in your life heard of... Never once said there was some super school, just said that ABS and CSB are not the answer for anyone who wants to be a real on-air talent. Period. And as usual those of you defending the rip off schools have no answer to that fact. Thanks for you input. ;D

 

[scrtr84]

I would hope that a school that pretends to teach radio would at the VERY least do better than a high school program. Although having heard the "Internet broadcasts" of ABS I think that can be debated. The fact that you can't come up with one name, and have to put it back on me proves my point. It is a sad day when a school that takes large amounts of money must be compared to a high school program to prop itself up. What's the prob, KEOM wouldn't take you, but you wasted your money at ABS? You can't argue the real fact that there are more off the street people working in radio than the "Grads" of abs and csb. Wanting the list is just a way to prove my point. ABS and CSB do nothing but take money and train low level support staff all the while selling the fact that they can make you a star. I don't need to ask around about it because I have spent the last 20 years working in this market and I know that they do not exist!. Career Placement? What a joke!!!! Their career placement consist of is running an add, all worded the same mind you, on online broadcast sites that get the student nothing, along with forwarding a email each day with listings that the student could get by doing a simple google search. (The funniest thing you typed was the fact that the High School program doesn't have a career placement service!!!! ;D It is a high school Program, they expect/hope that the students aren't leaving High School to try and get a radio Job! But they would have just as much luck as a ABS Grad!) So stop making your self look ridiculous, and be content with your under-paid gig that you think you got ;D all because ABS taught you how to push the button. 8)

Wow... you think KEOM wouldn't take me, and I wasted my money at ABS? Shows you what you know, because both of those statements are false. I did work at KEOM for a few years, until I got married and moved to another market. I didn't attend ABS, but I have a few connections with current and former employees there. Who's the one holding the ridiculous card now? ;D Not to mention the uninformed assumption card. :

And the fact that you won't even call ABS, says you are lazy. It wouldn't surprise me the least that you were the type to sucker someone else into doing your high school homework for you.

 

[Tom Wells]

Again, name 1 school of any kind that isn't a diploma factory on some level, and only produces quality talent for whatever field.

Bet you can't name 1 school on the planet that is the "super" school you dream of...

I can honestly say my alma mater was such a school. Valparaiso Technical Institute. 1874-1987 R.I.P.
They refused to take any federal aid, which would then permit the government to intrude on the curriculum.
They'd start with 1st semester of 125 students and graduate 25-30 after 5 or 6 semesters.
Many instructors maligned the "production line schools" and recommended those who couldn't make the grade ought to go there.
They made sure you had mastered the subject before they gave you their diploma.
It was the only way they had to maintain their reputation.
When I went, we were being actively encouraged to stay away from radio and TV as the elimination of the 1st Class ticket was
clearly going to eliminate many opportunities.

With federal money being granted to so many schools now, it is difficult not to have managed outcomes, and a certain percentage
of graduates of questionable value.

 

[analog78]

Just looked thru, can't find one... Can you type them for me? Here are just a couple for you George Dunham, Craig Miller, Mark Followill, Dave Barnnet, there is just 4 from UNT... I never said only quality talent... I said NO quality talent. There is NO Talent in this market from ABS or CSB. Not ONE Host that you have ever in your life heard of... Never once said there was some super school, just said that ABS and CSB are not the answer for anyone who wants to be a real on-air talent. Period. And as usual those of you defending the rip off schools have no answer to that fact. Thanks for you input. ;D

Again, CSB only in this market 3 years, don't know about ABS. So of course no Big names to share. You apparently work at the ticket? I know people from UNT as well, Not knocking it. Just making the point that success is more up to the student than the school. Any of those guys get where they are just because of a piece of paper from UNT? Don't think so. They put in hard work and dedication to get their success, whatever the level. So you still are making no real point asking for your list. Again I don't see the point of name dropping. I see the point of personal choice and the merit of hard work and networking. School credentials lose their job landing value as you progress in your career. Not that they aren't valuable in other ways. People just don't land big jobs based on their Diplomas.


Here are a few national names. You may or may not have heard of any of them....

Rush Limbaugh.

Sue Simmons - lead female news anchor at WNBC.

Eileen Albrizio - 12 yrs at WNPR.

Joseph S. Benigno - He co-hosts (with Evan Roberts) the 10am-1pm weekday show on WFAN in New York City.

Pete Sheppard - an Italian-American radio host, currently broadcasting on WEEI 850-AM in Boston.

Rita Cosby - most recently at MSNBC.

Artie Lange - Actor and former broadcaster of sorts (Howard Stern Show) - nevertheless noteworthy.


CSB has been in those markets for a more comparable time frame to UNT in the D/FW market.

 

[analog78]

Just looked thru, can't find one... Can you type them for me? Here are just a couple for you George Dunham, Craig Miller, Mark Followill, Dave Barnnet, there is just 4 from UNT... I never said only quality talent... I said NO quality talent. There is NO Talent in this market from ABS or CSB. Not ONE Host that you have ever in your life heard of... Never once said there was some super school, just said that ABS and CSB are not the answer for anyone who wants to be a real on-air talent. Period. And as usual those of you defending the rip off schools have no answer to that fact. Thanks for you input. ;D

Oh in this market I did remember one. Like you said not necessarily quality talent, but Talent nevertheless...

Puggs from Puggs and Kelly.

And I believe I heard a CSB spot at one time voiced by Gavin Spittle claiming alumnus staus, unsure of the validity so not necessarily claiming that one. But the spot ran during the RMS. He did grow up in Boston so that makes sense.

So 2 local names. Not products of Dallas campus, but products of the school.

 

[Bob Leonard]

I don't usually post here, but I felt compelled to step into what appears to have become a playground brawl. A lot of major talent has come out of CSB. Bill St. James, who does "Flashback" on the ABC Radio Network and serves as the voiceof the likes of Showtime and Nickelodeon, to name a few. As for local talent....I am a CSB graduate. I have only been on the air in Dallas for the past couple of years, but have lived here while doing a syndicated morning show for ABC for 24 years and had some pretty heft stints at WLS in Chicago and WYSP in Philly. I also taught at CSB in Irving when the school first opened.
The school gave me tools and direction when I returned from Vietnam. I was one of it's first graduates at the original school in a hotel room in Hartford. I knew WHAT I wanted to do, just not HOW to go about it. The school made sense for me.
I have been reading some of the posts regarding the ability to pull people off the streets, etc. Perhaps that tells you a little about where this business has gone.....it nowhere resembles what I was compelled to do some 43 years ago. Any school is valuable, but, only as a small part of the success equation.

 

[BKane]

Bob - I was in a similar situation in that I knew what I wanted to do when I was younger, and got a good start at learning the business with ABS training (from their second location to open, in Tulsa). I was in the night class in '81, and a gal from the day class that year has done very well. I heard her on KMPS when I was visiting Seattle, and she's doing midday's in Sacramento now.

I wouldn't doubt that success rates in radio schools might be similar to success rates in something comparable; like acting schools.

BK/ABC AC-Nights

 

[scrtr84]

There you go ISS. Ya happy now? ;D We have actual grads telling us about their experiences. It don't get no better than this. 8)

 

[board monkey]

when I returned from Vietnam.

Bob, Thank you for serving.

 

[ISaidSo]

Awesome..... All those grads each year and I got 1! 1 Local on-air person! One name and I would not call Puggs a frontline talent. (Sued to get on the air!) So, the point is made. Everyone of those National names went to the school more than 15 years ago, when it was just east coast, well before it became a "Find one in every town, take the cash and turn them out. rip off" Which is my only care here. If you want to be in Radio go to college , study broadcasting, otherwise knock on doors til somebody gives you a chance, It will work better than wasting money at ABS, or the former CSB.
Thank You, and Goodnight America.... 8)

 

[scrtr84]

Awesome..... All those grads each year and I got 1! 1 Local on-air person! One name and I would not call Puggs a frontline talent. (Sued to get on the air!) So, the point is made. Everyone of those National names went to the school more than 15 years ago, when it was just east coast, well before it became a "Find one in every town, take the cash and turn them out. rip off" Which is my only care here. If you want to be in Radio go to college , study broadcasting, otherwise knock on doors til somebody gives you a chance, It will work better than wasting money at ABS, or the former CSB.
Thank You, and Goodnight America.... 8)

Oh how nice! You just contradicted yourself with the "go to college and study broadcasting" remark. You do know college also costs money, right?

As the old saying goes, you can't please everyone. :

 

[ISaidSo]

Man, you can't read can you? GO to college and get a degree because it will be useful....DO not go to CSB or ABS because it is a WASTE of MONEY and a giant Rip-off, and you are better off not going at all because people off the street have just as much chance of getting on at a station as CSB or ABS grads do...... Is that clear enough for you? ???

 

[analog78]

Man, you can't read can you? GO to college and get a degree because it will be useful....DO not go to CSB or ABS because it is a WASTE of MONEY and a giant Rip-off, and you are better off not going at all because people off the street have just as much chance of getting on at a station as CSB or ABS grads do...... Is that clear enough for you? ???

Just your opinion ISS. The school has helped many, as I already illustrated. Not sure why you are so angry with the idea of trade school, but seems there are more people here saying that they are useful. Just as useful in this industry as a degree. Many former CSB grads already had degrees which got them no where. after attending CSB, got their career started. A guy I graduated with was in radio (on-air) in the early 90's, left for a high paying sales job, wanted back in , knew people and couldn't get back in. And he was well respected, burned no bridges. Just wasn't familiar with the technology. Matter of fact, he was told by a PD to go to CSB, because it was fast paced and taught what he needed to know. He was put back on the air a week before graduating at a local country station in this market, and decided to take a position in stephenville as a PD and show host. He makes a damned good living now, doing what he loves, and he attributes CSB for this new chapter in his life. And he had a degree, I believe from UNT.

And again, CSB was only in this market 3 years. No one you named got where they are in 3 yrs.... They worked hard to get there. And I seriously doubt they were handed a microphone and a parking spot because of their UNT credentials. UNT has been on the edge of this market how many years? If it turns out so many talented people, why isn't this market filled to the brim with them. Oh, because no matter where you came from, you have to prove yourself. Yes a college degree is valuable, and I endorse any and all education. But don't knock what you don't know a lot about. You are not a hiring manager or PD. You are bitter obviously and have a personal agenda for whatever reason, which is between you and whomever screwed you. But your point has been disproven many times on this thread that trade schools are the devil. Just because you post a comment saying everyone is wrong, doesn't make you right. Nor does your Alias being "ISaidSO" mean you are right. We get your opinion....

Leave it at that.
You get ours.

 

[analog78]

Awesome..... All those grads each year and I got 1! 1 Local on-air person! One name and I would not call Puggs a frontline talent. (Sued to get on the air!) So, the point is made. Everyone of those National names went to the school more than 15 years ago, when it was just east coast, well before it became a "Find one in every town, take the cash and turn them out. rip off" Which is my only care here. If you want to be in Radio go to college , study broadcasting, otherwise knock on doors til somebody gives you a chance, It will work better than wasting money at ABS, or the former CSB.
Thank You, and Goodnight America.... 8)

And who did P&K sue to get on the air. I also did not call him "Frontline" talent, just as you never called your list "frontline" talent. So your point isn't made. And how long ago did your names attend UNT? Did they graduate since 2006? Again, you fail at making a relevant point about that. So what UNT grad has graduated since 2006, and is an on air "FRONTLINE" talent? where is that list ISS? When you come up with that, we'll have a discussion thread.

Until then, sorry you feel screwed.

And just curious, how are you able to comment on CSB or ABS with any credibility? You talk as if you have an inside track of both, and know everything there is to know about them? Sounds to me, you went to UNT and maybe were passed up for a job that was given to a CSB grad? Just a speculation, like your comment in this thread have been.

Have a good one, Nice exchanging with you! I like a good debate!

 

[analog78]

P&K sued a former employer for breach of contract, they settled, and P&K where picked up voluntarily by the bone, and given a contract there, unrelated to the legal case.

 

[scrtr84]

Man, you can't read can you? GO to college and get a degree because it will be useful....DO not go to CSB or ABS because it is a WASTE of MONEY and a giant Rip-off, and you are better off not going at all because people off the street have just as much chance of getting on at a station as CSB or ABS grads do...... Is that clear enough for you? ???

I can read just fine, thank you.

You are essentially saying don't waste money at radio trade schools, and instead waste it on studying broadcasting at a college. The fact is you have an equal chance of getting into radio, whether you go to a trade school or a college to learn the trade. Now do you see how you contradicted yourself?

Actually all you really need to get into radio is know someone who is already in radio. The old saying "it's not what you know, it's who" applies. BUT you can still gain valuable skills by going to a trade school, just as you would if you went to college instead.

I'll say it for the third time, you are too obsessed over names, and shunning the fact that valuable skills can be learned from a trade school. I can only guess that either you were a trade school student who didn't get into radio from that experience, or you were an instructor at a trade school who lost his job for whatever reason and is holding a grudge. It could also be that you know someone who attended a trade school, but still didn't land a radio job.

It's my opinion that whatever your issue is, you are putting too much energy into nursing your biased feelings, and overlooking the educational value trade schools provide.

Relax. Life's too short to be worried about how other people spend their money.

 

[board monkey]

P&K sued a former employer for breach of contract, they settled, and P&K where picked up voluntarily by the bone, and given a contract there, unrelated to the legal case.

Um, I believe you mean, P&K sued a former employer in Chicago and part of the settlement was an on air gig in a major market(not larger then their current). Hence the over night broadcasts from Kelly's basement, then later moved here. At least that's the way I heard it. Could be wrong tho.

 

[analog78]

P&K sued a former employer for breach of contract, they settled, and P&K where picked up voluntarily by the bone, and given a contract there, unrelated to the legal case.

Um, I believe you mean, P&K sued a former employer in Chicago and part of the settlement was an on air gig in a major market(not larger then their current). Hence the over night broadcasts from Kelly's basement, then later moved here. At least that's the way I heard it. Could be wrong tho.

I was speaking of the situation in Dallas the got them to the bone as I wrote, so no I didn't "mean" what you said, but thanks for your contribution.

I have a good banana bread recipe if you'd like!

 

[board monkey]

P&K sued a former employer for breach of contract, they settled, and P&K where picked up voluntarily by the bone, and given a contract there, unrelated to the legal case.

Um, I believe you mean, P&K sued a former employer in Chicago and part of the settlement was an on air gig in a major market(not larger then their current). Hence the over night broadcasts from Kelly's basement, then later moved here. At least that's the way I heard it. Could be wrong tho.

I was speaking of the situation in Dallas the got them to the bone as I wrote, so no I didn't "mean" what you said, but thanks for your contribution.

I have a good banana bread recipe if you'd like!

Gotcha! I didnt know suing CBS would get them an on air gig at Cumulus.

LOVE banana bread!! Just the turn around time for ammo with it takes forever! ;D