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Conservative talk radio misconceptions

Thank God for those conservatives. If it wasn't for them, not only would the terrorists be hiding behind the dumpster at the CVS, but talkradio would be soooo uninteresting!

Enough with the misleading rhetoric.

Contrary to what has grown into urban legend at this point, Rush Limbaugh took off because of the personality that he is, not because of the conservative that he is. Talk programmers (like most radio programmers) in their infinite wisdom and lack of creativity, decided it was Rush's conservatism that was the reason for his success, and just like the programmers of JACK and every other boilerplate format, they couldn't get those Rush copycats on fast enough.

Over the last 18 years, programmers have steadily built the conservative talkradio field---and boy oh boy have the conservatives come. Now the impression is that talkradio is just a conservative format, rejecting any and all who dare be less than a "Great American".

While liberal talk is just as nauseating as conservative talk in it's agenda driven espousing of specious propaganda, let's stop this silly criticism of libtalk's failure as having resulted from nobody agreeing with what they say. The majority of citizens in this country DO NOT agree with the Bush supporters you find up and down the dial.

Fact is, libtalk failed in it's infancy due to horrible affiliates and non-pros on the air. Had conservative talk been handled in the same manner, you wouldn't have the talk landscape looking the way it does today.

Unfortuantely, politics is now the dividing line in a format that has the potential to entertain people of all walks.

Talk is not a format full of exclusive listeners. And while there may be some of those, most people sample it as an addition to their other radio choices, whether they be Country, AC, classic rock, etc. MOST people are capable of being entertained by conversation. MOST people would enjoy a laugh or two courtesy of someone who talks about life and picks and chooses their opinions based on the variables of a situation---not a preordained agenda they're trying to live up to.

The sad truth is that talkradio's reputation preceeds it and most people just assume talkradio is about politics, more specifically conservative politics. And if they bother to tune over to *AM* they have their suspicions confirmed, and they flip right back to FM---or sports(!).

Such a self limiting group we are. So self-destructive as we face growing challenges from other audio sources.

If you believe that the best way for talk to proceed is in this niche oriented fashion, you are incredibly shortsighted and are contributing to the hamstringing of what could be a much more interesting and much less predicatable format.
 
Bravo. Excellent observations.

If tomorrow Rush got hit by a meteorite and became a liberal, it would take him maybe about a year to get almost the same ratings he had as a conserative. His success (I hate to admit) comes from being so incredibly sure that he's right and having an ability to argue that the moon is made of cream cheese... and make it sound entertaining.

Hey, I don't believe little green men are invading our planet, but at 2am when I'm listening to Art Bell, I start to wonder, did I see something around that tree?... It's just good radio, even if I don't necessarily agree with the content.

I only wish we could find someone as good on the liberal side. I admire Rush for his showmanship but also believe that he hurts our democracy because so many people listen to him and believe him. It's great radio but it's also unbalanced, since he has three hours a day (plus his clones have all those other hours of the day).

But I also believe in the free marketplace of ideas. So it's up to liberal America to find Rush's equivolent, not to muzzle Rush. Thom Hartmann is good and Ed Schultz SOUNDS like Limbaugh... but they just don't have his same gifts. Sadly Randi Rhodes has some good ideas but is undisciplined in her style... and you'd think after 20 years in radio she might have consulted with a voice and accent coach to get rid of her Brooklyneese by now. (If Australians Nicole Kidman and Russell Crowe can speak like middle Americans, can't Randi Rhodes?)

And one more thought... I think most liberals simply listen to music on the radio. It's the angry white men who now have to share America with women and minorities that also are glued to Conservative Talk Radio. Liberals are just as likely happy with FM music or NPR and maybe don't need talk radio to reassure them they still matter.




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Conservative talk hosts do not agree in lockstep with Bush, etc. He's been criticized for immigration
policy and several other issues (judicial picks, the ports deal etc.) Ingraham, Howie Carr,
Hannity, Savage, etc.

Yeah it would be so much better if a liberal got on the air and lied and misled the country instead of
another conservative. Too late
to get Dan Rather to do a show? Michael Moore?

I would not say that conservatalk's audience consists of nothing but angry white men though.
 
Gregg said:
(If Australians Nicole Kidman and Russell Crowe can speak like middle Americans, can't Randi Rhodes?)

Perhaps because neither is a native Australian. Kidman is from Hawaii and Crowe from New Zealand. The Australian accent comes and goes for them because it's not original to them in the first place.

Perhaps because part of the craftsmanship of acting includes changing your voice as well as your appearance, attitude and emotion.

Good point about Rhodes, but a bad anaolgy.
 
Rush couldn't make it as a liberal. Liberals don't march in lock goose steps like those on the right.
 
RBA said:
Rush couldn't make it as a liberal. Liberals don't march in lock goose steps like those on the right.

Oh, brother. Fact is, Rush has as many or more conservative detractors as he does liberal detractors.

It's true that Rush's popularity has as much to do with his personality as his conservatism, but I still don't think he'd have made it big if he was a liberal.

What drove his early success was the fact that in the beginning, he was the only one on the air saying the things he said. It was validation for conservatives who never heard criticism of liberalism except around the dining room table and over barbecue with neighbors.

Now that he's established, the Rush imitators make him sound so much better by comparison. My idea of hell would be to listen to Mike Gallagher all day long.
 
RBA said:
Rush couldn't make it as a liberal. Liberals don't march in lock goose steps like those on the right.

Rush could make it as a Liberal talk show host, he just wouldn't cherry pick 'n clip the same media clips that he does now.

Rush creates a straw man Liberal and attacks it daily.
 
Talk radio needs to get back to putting on good hosts of either stripe or no stripe who can do GREAT talk radio. The format has lost focus on that. Look at all the people who are on who are just plain boring. Most all on Salem, Air America, and people like Neil Boortz, Dennis Miller, Rachel Maddow, Mike Raygun, G. Gordon Libby, Al Rantel, Jerry Agar, Mark Levin, Ed Schultz ect. Ask yourself. . .when was the last time you had to listen to one of these people? When was the last time you had an "oh wow" moment over something they did?
 
kilohertz said:
Talk radio needs to get back to putting on good hosts of either stripe or no stripe who can do GREAT talk radio. The format has lost focus on that. Look at all the people who are on who are just plain boring. Most all on Salem, Air America, and people like Neil Boortz, Dennis Miller, Rachel Maddow, Mike Raygun, G. Gordon Libby, Al Rantel, Jerry Agar, Mark Levin, Ed Schultz ect. Ask yourself. . .when was the last time you had to listen to one of these people? When was the last time you had an "oh wow" moment over something they did?


EXACTLY.

I know plenty of people who are NOT really liberal and NOT really conservative---but they're interesting and entertaining. All because they don't fit neatly into the proper *camp* should not disqualify them from much of today's talkradio stations.

I believe programmers who equate hosts to "type of music" are misguided, in that people want INTERESTING more than they want AGENDA---as evidenced by the fact that MANY people, irrespective to ideological slant, DO listen to Limbaugh.

The depth of creativity in porogramming, or lack thereof, should not surprise anyone. Let us not forget that this is the same industry that embraces "JACK" & "ALICE".

*Vision* is an increasingly rare commodity.
 
By the way, none of this one-sidedness would be that big a deal if it weren't for the signal and frequency allocation limitations in any given market. There are a fixed amount of dial positions---which is tantamount to allowing only a couple fast food stores in a given city.

In that scenario, an owner could start catering to only those who like curly fries. They would eventually build a clientelle of those who like curly fries--and would proudly proclaim that curly fries are what the people want! Selling regular fries along with the curly fries will interrupt the *theme*---forgetting of course, that the crowd who likes the curly fries may also enjoy regular fries too.

But who cares about that---it's a closed market! The only real competition may only come from some small roadside shack with a horrible location and inexperienced cooks who burn thse regular fries they claim people want so much! We'll watch them fail in short order and scream once again that CURLY FRIES PREVAIL!

Talkradio has unfortunately become an exclusive and closed party that rarely has any tolerance for someone who appreciates regular fries.

Make no mistake about it; Market limitation has created this state of affairs, not the suave and sophisticated skill of a talk programmer.
 
Well said in both posts. If you've heard one political talk show you've head them all. If there was no Bush or Clinton to bash these people would have nothing to say.
 
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