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why would they blow up a music format for the 55+ skewing news/talk format?

My interpretation is to focus on content they own vs content they don't own, which is music. The content they own is content they can also distribute digitally without paying additional royalties. That way they make money on the same content several times. That's ultimately where this is going.

As I said earlier in this thread, there is an advertising base for older skewing conservative talk, but not for oldies or soft rock. The advertisers are paying, so they get to determine the format.
 
Maybe we could try to go back to running hosts/programs that are actually interesting and entertaining to listen to, instead of trying to have 24 hour talk stations that will air pretty much anyone or anything just to fill the time? There used to be many stations that were talk programming during drive times, or just aired Rush and played music during the other dayparts. Would that work today?

The problem with that approach was that Limbaugh tended to chase off the music listeners. Those listeners went to FM and eventually stopped coming back to the full-service AM station altogether. You might be able to get away with that in small markets, but, when music listeners are offered several options that don't break for talk for three or four hours, they tend to prefer those options.

Talk radio used to be a place where you could get a little bit of this and little bit of that. Certain times of the day offered news, while others offered politics, others had sports, and yet others had financial talk. I worked at a station like that about 25 years ago. We had a local news and talk program in the morning, a local show that paired a liberal and a conservative together to talk about various issues, Limbaugh, a local evening news program, sports talk in the early evening, Bohannon in late evenings, and Art Bell overnights. Weekends had a few local programs on various topics and a lot of financial talk. The increase in conservative talk tended to happening gradually, at least until Cumulus bought us and began the corporate cram down. Some of those changes happened because programs went away, and conservative talk was increasingly the only option to replace them. We also went through about three PD's in a year, and each tried to make their own mark on the station. The last one of those three felt like talk radio had evolved into a conservative media, wanted us to have a more major market sounds, and thought going more conservative was the way to achieve that sound. Didn't hurt that he had worked down the hall from a Top-50 market conservative talk station that was originated much of its programming. He thought those people are great and wanted to use syndiated offerings that included those people. Then, Cumulus came in and started replacing our other shows, especially those at night, with its own programming as contracts expired.

Your post gets to the heart of why I started this topic. Right wing talk is getting more and more extreme and the demos are getting older, so why do we see so many in larger markets, and a few new launches?

I tend to think it's an effort to manage the slow but inevitable decline of AM radio as a viable content delivery system. The audience is getting older, but it has roughly double the number of avails as music formats. Plus, what few 55+ agency buys that exist go almost exclusively to talk radio. As you and some of the others have mentioned, you don't see many new launches. One of the reasons for that is because running conservative talk on FM usually creates an older skewing FM station that's tough to sell.
 
The increase in conservative talk tended to happening gradually, at least until Cumulus bought us and began the corporate cram down.

Keep in mind the "corporate cram down" came from John Dickey. Once the Dickeys were fired, the new regime was more about encouraging local management and content, at least in morning and afternoon drive. I don't think they even have a syndicated morning talk show. The national stuff is in mid-day and nights.
 
The problem with that approach was that Limbaugh tended to chase off the music listeners. Those listeners went to FM and eventually stopped coming back to the full-service AM station altogether.
I used to listen to an America's Best Music station that would have a talk show during part of the afternoon. I didn't have another option for music but I ended up discovering Rush Limbaugh, who wasn't as bad as I had heard. And his signal was better.
 
Keep in mind the "corporate cram down" came from John Dickey. Once the Dickeys were fired, the new regime was more about encouraging local management and content, at least in morning and afternoon drive. I don't think they even have a syndicated morning talk show. The national stuff is in mid-day and nights.

Yes, that was my understanding, too, though I, admittedly, wasn't high enough on the food chain to have regular access with the corporate office. I've been told that it's a much better place to work with the Dickeys being gone, but it's not as different as one might hope. The corporate brand managers aren't in their faces constantly about what to add and what to move, but, while programming decisions are now made more at the local level, the budgets require most stations to use the corporate brand managers for consulting. The hiring decisions are made at the local level, but the number of full-time on-air positions hasn't changed since early 2009. People still wear too many hats, and most of the sales staff has been cut with the managers doing those jobs. It's better, but it still is what it is.

I understand, also, that the programming on the talk station is mostly, if not entirely, dictated by corporate, either by mandate or simply by necessity. When the other talker (now silent) got rid of the last of its local programming, it ran Smerconish in the morning. Don't know who syndicates him, though. At one time, it was airing Phil Valentine in the afternoon.
 
The hiring decisions are made at the local level, but the number of full-time on-air positions hasn't changed since early 2009.

From what I can see, Cumulus is still losing money, and the only growth area is in digital. So I wouldn't expect any improvements in budgets or hiring unless they discover a new way to make money besides spots.
 
Keep in mind the "corporate cram down" came from John Dickey. Once the Dickeys were fired, the new regime was more about encouraging local management and content, at least in morning and afternoon drive. I don't think they even have a syndicated morning talk show. The national stuff is in mid-day and nights.
Cumulus has an amazing amount of live/locally originated programming in Knoxville, TN, for a market its size. The News/Talker has local hosts from 6a-7p except for whatever replaced Bongino, their sports talker is much the same (it helps when you have a major SEC program in town); I'm not sure to what degree Country powerhouse WIVK is live and/or local.
 


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