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Console & offsite broadcast questions

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radioboy67

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I am looking to purchase a new console. Something $5,000 and under. 12 Channels. 4 Mic's. What's good, and easy to setup?

Also, I am going to be broadcasting from a forrest preserve, and the FP will not let me install a phone line. What is another way I can broadcast to my station. I have used a cell phone before, but the quality was terrible, you couldn't even hear the artists performing. Any other ways?
 
> Also, I am going to be broadcasting from a forrest preserve,
> and the FP will not let me install a phone line. What is
> another way I can broadcast to my station. I have used a
> cell phone before, but the quality was terrible, you
> couldn't even hear the artists performing. Any other ways?

Tape delay?

Seriously... if you're doing music, I wouldn't try a wireless codec. I don't care who makes it, I don't expect any wireless carrier to give you a good enough signal for longer than a few minutes at a time, especially if you're in the sticks. <P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
> I am looking to purchase a new console. Something $5,000
> and under. 12 Channels. 4 Mic's. What's good, and easy to
> setup?
>
> Also, I am going to be broadcasting from a forrest preserve,
> and the FP will not let me install a phone line. What is
> another way I can broadcast to my station.

You need an RPU setup. Sometimes we call it a Marti, becaue Marti is a popular maker of the RPU transmitters and receivers. Basically an RPU (Remote PickUp) consists of a portable transmitter, usually in the UHF range for the remote broadcast site. Then you have a receiver either at the transmitter site, or the studio. The audio quality on most Marti's is generally 15k. They can have a range of several miles, and if you get a yagi antenna it will reach even further. If you find yourself still too far from the station or the transmitter site, you can find a suitable location near the Forrest Preserve and put the receiver there, and create a temporary relay station where the receiver then goes into a phone line or ISDN or something.

BTW, RPUs require a license. And in certain areas where there are a lot of stations and a limited amount of available RPU frequencies, the stations often use the same RPU frequency. Therefore stations often have to coordinate with each other to use the RPUs so that their remote broadcasts are not interfering with each other.

Hope this helps.
 
I hate doing things this way But Its probably the best way to do this...
a Marti would be ok If your within a certain distance to a Phone line...
then use a matrix back to the studio from that point..
second would Be..
OK you said there is Cell Service out in the Forrest.. Find out if that Cell
carrier also has internet service... Like Verizon... Get the PCMCIA card that provider uses... and dial in for your internet service..
then Run Windows Media Encoder on that laptop.. OK there is about an 8-10 second delay.. But it will give you an OK quaility link and your basically streaming back to the studios where any PC with Media player can put you on the air... this is Probably the Cheapest way to Do what your looking to do..
like I said I hate doing it this way but it would work...
actually there are manufacturers that make Celliular Codecs....
I think ATA is one of them....
Other than that is a Sat uplink( expensive)

Neal


> > I am looking to purchase a new console. Something $5,000
> > and under. 12 Channels. 4 Mic's. What's good, and easy
> to
> > setup?
> >
> > Also, I am going to be broadcasting from a forrest
> preserve,
> > and the FP will not let me install a phone line. What is
> > another way I can broadcast to my station.
>
> You need an RPU setup. Sometimes we call it a Marti, becaue
> Marti is a popular maker of the RPU transmitters and
> receivers. Basically an RPU (Remote PickUp) consists of a
> portable transmitter, usually in the UHF range for the
> remote broadcast site. Then you have a receiver either at
> the transmitter site, or the studio. The audio quality on
> most Marti's is generally 15k. They can have a range of
> several miles, and if you get a yagi antenna it will reach
> even further. If you find yourself still too far from the
> station or the transmitter site, you can find a suitable
> location near the Forrest Preserve and put the receiver
> there, and create a temporary relay station where the
> receiver then goes into a phone line or ISDN or something.
>
>
> BTW, RPUs require a license. And in certain areas where
> there are a lot of stations and a limited amount of
> available RPU frequencies, the stations often use the same
> RPU frequency. Therefore stations often have to coordinate
> with each other to use the RPUs so that their remote
> broadcasts are not interfering with each other.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
 
> I am looking to purchase a new console. Something $5,000
> and under. 12 Channels. 4 Mic's. What's good, and easy to
> setup?

Radio Systems. Love them.

> Also, I am going to be broadcasting from a forrest preserve,
> and the FP will not let me install a phone line. What is
> another way I can broadcast to my station. I have used a
> cell phone before, but the quality was terrible, you
> couldn't even hear the artists performing. Any other ways?

Without a license for an RPU, Tieline has GSM codecs which work with the 2 GSM carriers (t-mobile/cingular). If you can get service out there, it's worth a try...but it'll still sound compressed.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> I hate doing things this way But Its probably the best way
> to do this...
> a Marti would be ok If your within a certain distance to a
> Phone line...
> then use a matrix back to the studio from that point..
> second would Be..
> OK you said there is Cell Service out in the Forrest..
> Find out if that Cell
> carrier also has internet service... Like Verizon... Get
> the PCMCIA card that provider uses... and dial in for your
> internet service..
> then Run Windows Media Encoder on that laptop.. OK there
> is about an 8-10 second delay.. But it will give you an OK
> quaility link and your basically streaming back to the
> studios where any PC with Media player can put you on the
> air... this is Probably the Cheapest way to Do what your
> looking to do..
> like I said I hate doing it this way but it would work...
> actually there are manufacturers that make Celliular
> Codecs....
> I think ATA is one of them....
> Other than that is a Sat uplink( expensive)
>
> Neal
>
>
> > > I am looking to purchase a new console. Something
> $5,000
> > > and under. 12 Channels. 4 Mic's. What's good, and
> easy
> > to
> > > setup?
> > >
> > > Also, I am going to be broadcasting from a forrest
> > preserve,
> > > and the FP will not let me install a phone line. What
> is
> > > another way I can broadcast to my station.
> >
> > You need an RPU setup. Sometimes we call it a Marti,
> becaue
> > Marti is a popular maker of the RPU transmitters and
> > receivers. Basically an RPU (Remote PickUp) consists of a
>
> > portable transmitter, usually in the UHF range for the
> > remote broadcast site. Then you have a receiver either at
>
> > the transmitter site, or the studio. The audio quality on
>
> > most Marti's is generally 15k. They can have a range of
> > several miles, and if you get a yagi antenna it will reach
>
> > even further. If you find yourself still too far from the
>
> > station or the transmitter site, you can find a suitable
> > location near the Forrest Preserve and put the receiver
> > there, and create a temporary relay station where the
> > receiver then goes into a phone line or ISDN or something.
>
> >
> >
> > BTW, RPUs require a license. And in certain areas where
> > there are a lot of stations and a limited amount of
> > available RPU frequencies, the stations often use the same
>
> > RPU frequency. Therefore stations often have to
> coordinate
> > with each other to use the RPUs so that their remote
> > broadcasts are not interfering with each other.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
>


The internet thing, is an awesome idea.
 
> I am looking to purchase a new console. Something $5,000
> and under. 12 Channels. 4 Mic's. What's good, and easy to
> setup?
>
> Also, I am going to be broadcasting from a forrest preserve,
> and the FP will not let me install a phone line. What is
> another way I can broadcast to my station. I have used a
> cell phone before, but the quality was terrible, you
> couldn't even hear the artists performing. Any other ways?
>

I almost purchased a Soundcraft. The only sell the frame, then the modules get really expensive. The good thing about it, is you can plug in using 1/4" and XLR.

**Does anybody know of any other consoles that lets you use 1/4" and XLR, instead of DB25? I have been looking for console's for a while now, and budget wise, my company is finnaly ready to buy. I still haven't find the one I like though.
 
Is this going to be a regular show? Do you have a good line of sight towards the main studio? Then use an STL (technically, an intercity-relay).
Will cost you abt $300 for the frequency coordinator, then $125 for the FCC fee; plus the cost of the STL equipment.

Marti STL-10 systems (used) will run around $1200 per channel; antennas in the $500 range.

Let's run some numbers: 2 STL-10 systems=$2400 RCV and transmit antenna=$1,000
antenna combiner=$125 Feedline=$250, frequency coordination & FCC fee=$425
Total: $4,200. That's about the cost of a pots codec and certainly more reliable.

If the path is not ideal, you can try a pair of UHF RPU's. One station I know of regularly did stereo remotes from a city park by bouncing their signal off a billboard. The frequency response is not as good as a pair of STL's, but there's no delay, it is not that bad (usually up to 8~10 kc with a quiet path; and agin more reliable than attempting an internet or cell-phone feed.
 
> I am looking to purchase a new console. Something $5,000
> and under. 12 Channels. 4 Mic's. What's good, and easy to
> setup?

2nd on the Radio Systems.

> Also, I am going to be broadcasting from a forrest preserve,
> and the FP will not let me install a phone line. What is
> another way I can broadcast to my station. I have used a
> cell phone before, but the quality was terrible, you
> couldn't even hear the artists performing. Any other ways?
>

Is internet available? Skype.
 
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