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Construction permit for WAKR?

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Yabadabado1

Just checking radio-locator and it shows there's a CP for the station. Looks like they're staying put at the antenna farm but don't know if they're building new towers or what's happening. Don't know if they could or plan on moving their FM signal to the AM location. Seems sorta strange that in this day and age they'd be tossing money into upgrading the AM side. They new CP shows the nightime signal staying much the same except more of a null to the southwest.

current nightime map: Radio-Locator.com

CP nightime map: Radio-Locator.com
 
Yabadabado1 said:
Just checking radio-locator and it shows there's a CP for the station. Looks like they're staying put at the antenna farm but don't know if they're building new towers or what's happening. Don't know if they could or plan on moving their FM signal to the AM location. Seems sorta strange that in this day and age they'd be tossing money into upgrading the AM side. They new CP shows the nightime signal staying much the same except more of a null to the southwest.

current nightime map: Radio-Locator.com

CP nightime map: Radio-Locator.com
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It also looks like a possible and simple correction of coordinates since nothing changes with that inner most red circle
 
You can guess - or you could, you know, just read the actual application:

The attached application is for a construction permit to correct the licensed
geographic coordinates for the WAKR antenna system to match the actual tower
locations as shown in the corrected Antenna Structure Registrations (1013780,
1013781, 1329842,1330181) for the WAKR towers. The filing of this construction permit
application is necessary since the corrected coordinates for this antenna system differ
from the previously licensed value by 4.7 seconds of latitude and 7.0 seconds of
longitude (220 meters), which exceeds the three second limit for using a license
modification application to accomplish this coordinate correction. This application
proposes no changes in the WAKR operating facilities, however, it does correct the
tower numbering scheme to reflect that specified in the present station license.
Because this application proposes no actual physical changes in the WAKR
antenna system and no change in the present coverage, it doesn’t include a site plat,
tower vertical plans, allocation studies, or contour maps. For the same reason, it
doesn’t include any multiple ownership showings.
 
How did a surveyor in the 20th century miss that much? I wonder if the property deed has the mistake too? I don't know Ohio Land laws but they had better spend some money on a GOOD lawyer who deals with this stuff regularly.

This can't be as bad as the Georgia - Tennessee state line mistake in the late 1700's and early 1800's. Georgia being one of the original 13 Colonies got to draw the line based on an agreement with North Carolina which really didn't care because it wasn't their land anymore. Georgia got cheap on surveying instruments and cut themselves off from water from the Tennessee River. Georgia is trying to fix it but Tennessee doesn't want Georgia to gain access to the Tennessee River because it would end up in Atlanta. Also a couple of blocks of Chattanooga might be in GA. It will sooner or later end up in the Supreme Court..
 
fybush said:
You can guess - or you could, you know, just read the actual application:

The attached application is for a construction permit to correct the licensed
geographic coordinates for the WAKR antenna system to match the actual tower
locations as shown in the corrected Antenna Structure Registrations (1013780,
1013781, 1329842,1330181) for the WAKR towers. The filing of this construction permit
application is necessary since the corrected coordinates for this antenna system differ
from the previously licensed value by 4.7 seconds of latitude and 7.0 seconds of
longitude (220 meters), which exceeds the three second limit for using a license
modification application to accomplish this coordinate correction. This application
proposes no changes in the WAKR operating facilities, however, it does correct the
tower numbering scheme to reflect that specified in the present station license.
Because this application proposes no actual physical changes in the WAKR
antenna system and no change in the present coverage, it doesn’t include a site plat,
tower vertical plans, allocation studies, or contour maps. For the same reason, it
doesn’t include any multiple ownership showings.
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Thanks for the smart-ass reply. Since I'm having memory issues the only thing I could remember off hand was the radio-locator site. I could have gone off to the FCC site IF I HAD REMEMBERED it but probably would not remember what I had just read as short term memory loss is getting bad. I can read something and 5 seconds later can't remember if I had read it or not. One of the reasons I've retired from doing sports announcing. As it was, I still had to go back and forth on radio-locators site to try and keep it fresh in my memory.
 
I was actually being a smart ass to Paul (someradioguy) below your post - he does this stuff all the time and definitely knows how to look up a filing like this instead of making a guess!
 
fybush said:
There are LOTS of transmitter sites off by more than WAKR. Pre-GPS surveying was an inexact science, and a lot of engineers back in the day just eyeballed it on a topo map.
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One would think the FAA would want the corect coordinates of any tower more than 150 feet high due to medical helicopters using GPS.

I get the difficulty of trying to read tropo maps on flat land. IIRC A lot of Ohio has "townships". Usually there was a couple of "benchmarks" that everything is measured from. That's why deeds are often difficult to read unless you are a surveyor, civil engineer, or can remember high school geography and trigonometry.


BTW the USGS topographic maps since around 1900 have been very accurate East of the Mississippi. In fact the civil engineers who laid out the portion of the old Western Maryland Railroad from Cumberland Maryland thru the mountains to Connellsville PA used USGS 7.5 minute maps to plot the route in 1910. No "exploratory" surveying . All the surveyors did was to stake where to dig, how deep and where to dump the dirt and rocks they dug. If you ever get to check out the accessible parts of the abandoned rail right of way, you will be amazed how they kept the slopes under 2,5% (most of the time).
 
Yabadabado1 said:
Just checking radio-locator and it shows there's a CP for the station. Looks like they're staying put at the antenna farm but don't know if they're building new towers or what's happening. Don't know if they could or plan on moving their FM signal to the AM location. Seems sorta strange that in this day and age they'd be tossing money into upgrading the AM side. They new CP shows the nightime signal staying much the same except more of a null to the southwest.

current nightime map: Radio-Locator.com

CP nightime map: Radio-Locator.com
Click to expand...

Yabadabado1 said:
Just checking radio-locator and it shows there's a CP for the station. Looks like they're staying put at the antenna farm but don't know if they're building new towers or what's happening. Don't know if they could or plan on moving their FM signal to the AM location. Seems sorta strange that in this day and age they'd be tossing money into upgrading the AM side. They new CP shows the nightime signal staying much the same except more of a null to the southwest.

current nightime map: Radio-Locator.com

CP nightime map: Radio-Locator.com
Click to expand...
 
snowdog88 said:
Not sure why Radio-Locator thinks that this is a construction permit when it is actually a minor modification.
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I believe what ever software that they used "saw" the new location in the application and thought it was a move just like the orginator of the thread.

I was fooled until I realized the old location didn't have towers and was in a subdivision from the site location on Google maps off of radio-locator. I believe most AM CPs are land driven and I usually check the location first*. Then I quickly checked to see whose towers they were going to duplex off of. The number of towers and no one else at that location made me think it was 1590. FCCdata confirmed my suspicion.

* I have become too familiar with land trying to cleanup my parents' estate.
 
It's listed in radio-locator as a construction permit because it's a construction permit.

I know that sounds weird, but it's the way the FCC systems work. Even a "change" that requires no actual construction still has to be applied for as a construction permit, which the FCC then grants. The only difference is that as soon as the CP is granted, the station can then immediately file a license to cover, certifying that the station is operating according to the parameters specified in the CP.

It's goofy as all heck, but those of us who file these things just follow the system and get it done.
 


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