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[killawatt]

Re: And the real answer is...Steve Jones?

He's no Kevin Nelson.

> > Back to the orginal post. I have to say that I have not
> been
> > in the buisness as long as say Steve Jones, or Glenn
> Turner,
> > or Even Tommy Edwards.
>
> I agree with you that it's all about the music but if you
> are putting up Steve Jones as an example of an outstanding
> personality or anything at all to do with the mind boggling
> success of the stale and stagnant 3WZ, I say look elsewhere.
> The man has a terrible radio voice, every sportscast I've
> ever heard made my ears bleed and the man just has no
> personality whatsoever.
>
> 3WZ is successful because the leftovers not listening to
> Froggy like things boring. That's how they like it here in
> these parts...they are not open to change all that often.
> 3WZ keeps them in their comfort zone. That's how they like
> it in the styx.
>

 

[shilton]

Re: Not a Clue!

> You're starting to sound like Mountaineer...return on the
> dollar is all that matters.

Well...no...nor really...but it is possible to have a top rated product and no sales. Ask anyone who sold for Hot107.9 when they were raking in their ratings. They still had trouble selling the thing. Everyone wants ratins o course, but as long as you are making enough $$$ to pay the bills and then some, you mut be doing something a little right anyway. That was my point.

In a perfect world my ideal station would be #1 and be top biller in the market too...but I think Froggy already holds that position.

 

[joepa4prez]

Who is Kevin Nelson?

Sorry, I don't get it. Who is Kevin Nelson? And what does Radio Raven have against Steve Jones? I took Mr. Jones' class last semester and thought he was a good teacher and a nice guy. (Have also gotten to know Jeff Brown through ÇomRadio, and he's a good guy, too).


> He's no Kevin Nelson.
>
> > > Back to the orginal post. I have to say that I have not
> > been
> > > in the buisness as long as say Steve Jones, or Glenn
> > Turner,
> > > or Even Tommy Edwards.
> >
> > I agree with you that it's all about the music but if you
> > are putting up Steve Jones as an example of an outstanding
>
> > personality or anything at all to do with the mind
> boggling
> > success of the stale and stagnant 3WZ, I say look
> elsewhere.
> > The man has a terrible radio voice, every sportscast I've
>
> > ever heard made my ears bleed and the man just has no
> > personality whatsoever.
> >
> > 3WZ is successful because the leftovers not listening to
> > Froggy like things boring. That's how they like it here
> in
> > these parts...they are not open to change all that often.
>
> > 3WZ keeps them in their comfort zone. That's how they
> like
> > it in the styx.
> >
>

 

[RobertGoren]

Re: Who is Kevin Nelson?

I don't have anything against Steve Jones. His radio persona is just not my cup of tea. I don't enjoy his presentation on the air. I think he screams during his football and basketball broadcasts. I understand the role he fills in doing those sports broadcasts but he's just flat not for me.

If you thought I was referring to his personality IN PERSON, that was my misspeak. Mr. Jones is actually quite nice.

Who is Kevin Nelson? If you have any intent on having a future in radio, learn your history son. Mr. Nelson is a 30+ year radio veteran who hosts the morning show on WRSC-AM. At one time, Mr. Nelson was actually a music jock. His morning talk show is the highest rated on the station. Mr. Nelson has been on the air longer than Steve Jones and Jeff Brown. He too, was a teacher at Penn State (I'm assuming that's where you had your class). Mr. Nelson, Mr. Brown and Mr. Jones have all taught at Penn State in one way or another.

These three men are the most respected men in local radio in this market. They all have longevity, their own styles of presentation and are all tightly connected to the community and are all active in local community functions and charitible organizations.

I hope that answers your questions. My apologies if I gave the wrong impressions of Mr. Jones. My opinion was only my opinion of his radio presentation, not of him as a person.

> Sorry, I don't get it. Who is Kevin Nelson? And what does
> Radio Raven have against Steve Jones? I took Mr. Jones'
> class last semester and thought he was a good teacher and a
> nice guy. (Have also gotten to know Jeff Brown through
> ÇomRadio, and he's a good guy, too).
>
>
> > He's no Kevin Nelson.
> >
> > > > Back to the orginal post. I have to say that I have
> not
> > > been
> > > > in the buisness as long as say Steve Jones, or Glenn
> > > Turner,
> > > > or Even Tommy Edwards.
> > >
> > > I agree with you that it's all about the music but if
> you
> > > are putting up Steve Jones as an example of an
> outstanding
> >
> > > personality or anything at all to do with the mind
> > boggling
> > > success of the stale and stagnant 3WZ, I say look
> > elsewhere.
> > > The man has a terrible radio voice, every sportscast
> I've
> >
> > > ever heard made my ears bleed and the man just has no
> > > personality whatsoever.
> > >
> > > 3WZ is successful because the leftovers not listening to
>
> > > Froggy like things boring. That's how they like it here
>
> > in
> > > these parts...they are not open to change all that
> often.
> >
> > > 3WZ keeps them in their comfort zone. That's how they
> > like
> > > it in the styx.
> > >
> >
>

 

[shilton]

Re: Who is Kevin Nelson?

> Who is Kevin Nelson? If you have any intent on having a
> future in radio, learn your history son. Mr. Nelson is a
> 30+ year radio veteran who hosts the morning show on
> WRSC-AM. At one time, Mr. Nelson was actually a music jock.
> His morning talk show is the highest rated on the station.
> Mr. Nelson has been on the air longer than Steve Jones and
> Jeff Brown. He too, was a teacher at Penn State (I'm
> assuming that's where you had your class). Mr. Nelson, Mr.
> Brown and Mr. Jones have all taught at Penn State in one way
> or another.
>
> These three men are the most respected men in local radio in
> this market. They all have longevity, their own styles of
> presentation and are all tightly connected to the community
> and are all active in local community functions and
> charitible organizations.

Don't get me wrong...I have nothing against Kevin Nelson, Jeff Brown or Steve Jones...actually like em all. But I was just wondering how you guage them as "the most respected" names in local radio. Depends who you ask. Ask the average Joe and they may tell you they like and respect Glen Turner or Grant Armstrong or AJ or The Frogman Steve Kelsey...I think it all depends on the tastes of the person listening who they respect and relate to. And I feel there are many in this market who could easily hold a candle to any of the 3 if they chose to remain in this market long enough to make that kind of an impact. Longevity alone cannot be used to guage someone's success. Neither can their ratings for that matter. Every talent has his/her own unique appeal that relates to their audience.

I recall growing up in Altoona, Sean McKay was all the rage. He was consistently #1 and EVERYONE seemed to love him. No one thought anyone would ever compare to Sean McKay and the market would crumble without him. Well, time marched on and McKay eventually left the market and guess what...today many people say Sean WHO...when you mention his name.

As much as any of us would love to think that we are unforgettable...irreplacable...we all are. I recall my glory days at B103 all those years ago when I was on-air full-time and the ratings were high for me. But I bet most listening to me today on G101 have no idea who I am at all, nor do they care. We are all human...we are all forgettable and equal for that matter and I bet we all have our own share of people who'd say any of us are "The Greatest Thing on the Air in this market" just as there are those who would say "we are the worst too". I think any of us should be very careful not to put any one set of talents up on a pedestal.

Just my take on that issue anyway

 

[Spackler]

Re: Who is Kevin Nelson?

>
> Who is Kevin Nelson? If you have any intent on having a
> future in radio, learn your history son. Mr. Nelson is a
> 30+ year radio veteran who hosts the morning show on
> WRSC-AM. At one time, Mr. Nelson was actually a music jock.
> His morning talk show is the highest rated on the station.
> Mr. Nelson has been on the air longer than Steve Jones and
> Jeff Brown. He too, was a teacher at Penn State (I'm
> assuming that's where you had your class). Mr. Nelson, Mr.
> Brown and Mr. Jones have all taught at Penn State in one way
> or another.

I may throw up.

 

[Newbie]

Re: Who is Kevin Nelson?

Steve,

First, I can respect what you are saying however....

Just by reading the man's previous posts, it appears he's an older man who has been around for a while and it seems he identifies with these men in part because of that.

And I believe if you re-read the post, he did not just cite longevity and ratings that gained his respect. Their talent as radio personalities was also noted. I certainly don't recall him referring to them as the greatest or even unable to be replaced or unforgetable. Those are your words.

I also got the feeling from his post that he has a high regard and respect for these 3 men because it appears he's familiar with their ties to the community and how they participate in local charities. Without a Kevin Nelson, there would be no Last Cruise Car Show to benefit the Youth Service Bureau. There would not even be a Bellefonte Cruise considering that's where Dan Barker got the idea in the first place. And even though he's not a part of it any more, without Jeff Brown, there would be no Million Pennies truck in the mall each year at Christmas time.

Some of these guys have already worked in larger markets and they chose to come back here to stay. Could be family, community, love for the area or any number of reasons. But none of them are any less talented because they came back to a smaller market.

> Don't get me wrong...I have nothing against Kevin Nelson,
> Jeff Brown or Steve Jones...actually like em all. But I was
> just wondering how you guage them as "the most respected"
> names in local radio. Depends who you ask. Ask the average
> Joe and they may tell you they like and respect Glen Turner
> or Grant Armstrong or AJ or The Frogman Steve Kelsey...I
> think it all depends on the tastes of the person listening
> who they respect and relate to. And I feel there are many
> in this market who could easily hold a candle to any of the
> 3 if they chose to remain in this market long enough to make
> that kind of an impact. Longevity alone cannot be used to
> guage someone's success. Neither can their ratings for that
> matter. Every talent has his/her own unique appeal that
> relates to their audience.
>
> I recall growing up in Altoona, Sean McKay was all the rage.
> He was consistently #1 and EVERYONE seemed to love him. No
> one thought anyone would ever compare to Sean McKay and the
> market would crumble without him. Well, time marched on and
> McKay eventually left the market and guess what...today many
> people say Sean WHO...when you mention his name.
>
> As much as any of us would love to think that we are
> unforgettable...irreplacable...we all are. I recall my
> glory days at B103 all those years ago when I was on-air
> full-time and the ratings were high for me. But I bet most
> listening to me today on G101 have no idea who I am at all,
> nor do they care. We are all human...we are all forgettable
> and equal for that matter and I bet we all have our own
> share of people who'd say any of us are "The Greatest Thing
> on the Air in this market" just as there are those who would
> say "we are the worst too". I think any of us should be
> very careful not to put any one set of talents up on a
> pedestal.
>
> Just my take on that issue anyway
>

 

[shilton]

Re: Who is Kevin Nelson?

> Some of these guys have already worked in larger markets and
> they chose to come back here to stay. Could be family,
> community, love for the area or any number of reasons. But
> none of them are any less talented because they came back to
> a smaller market.

To clarify, I never said they were any less talented because they are in a smaller market. As I said, I like all 3 of them. I have all the respect in the world for people who were in, or could be in larger markets and chose to remain here. I made the same decision myself on a few occasions too. If this is home to them for whatever reason...Great for them. As long as they are happy in what they do, thats all that matters.


I was merely asking what was utilized to guage these 3 guys as "the most respected men on the air".

I am sure we'd all fill in that blank with 3 totally different sets of names if we were asked that question. Some may say "Fran Fisher" or "Jeff Brown" or "Hopalong Whatever from Froggy (sorry...don't follow the names on Froggy as well as I should".)

Point is...we all put our pants on the same way...one leg at a time. Some people like what I do for their own reasons, some hate me on air and some could care less and as a Jock, I know that. Every Jock in every market experiences the same reactions from his or her audience too.

Just wanted to know what makes one more respected than another...and FYI...there are others in this market who devote time and or money and resources to charities too

Not a slam by any means...just my observation that I feel we are all kinda equal.

 

[dbrooks]

Re: And the real answer is...

> Seriously...back to the original post. If I can toss my 2
> cents into the ring.
>
> Froggy does very well because it was the right station at
> the right time. Most Country stations were still on the AM
> Dial and markets were cluttered with sometimes 3-4 Top 40
> types on the dial so FM Country was a hole waiting to be
> filled. Forever saw their chance and snatched it and they
> have never strayed from the basics they set up in the
> beginning. They became in effect everyone's Country
> Station. I seriously doubt even a well thought out
> competitor could bring them down today. They own the
> format. They were very smart. I have always felt that
> Froggy is Forever's crowning acheivement.
>

The country format was on FM stations prior to Froggy. May I remind you that WGMR was country. The problem was it was a poorly run--Rich Saupp doing mornings from Tyrone, then flipping to State College for the remaining dayparts--and each playing different playlists. And then, Big Gene took overnights and played whatever he wanted. WIYQ in Ebensburg was also a 50K country outlet. In the middle 70's WVAM-FM used an automated country format, and moved it to AM in the late 70's. In the early 80's WVAM was Altoona's country outlet, but began inserting talk (early NBC talk network programs) in evening and overnight dayparts. I'll also point out that after the fire in 1980, there was some talk of doing country on WVAM-FM (now WPRR), but management opted to continue with the Drake-Chenault automated Top 40 service and later flipped to AOR when the studios were complete. If WVAM-FM had gone country at that time, would Froggy have become the FM CHR outlet in Altoona?

 

[fwdmo]

Re: Who is Kevin Nelson?

> Point is...we all put our pants on the same way...one leg at
> a time.

Don't lump me in with everyone else...I lay down on my bed and put my pants on both legs at the same time!!

 

[jumper]

Re: Who is Kevin Nelson?

> > Point is...we all put our pants on the same way...one leg
> at
> > a time.
>
> Don't lump me in with everyone else...I lay down on my bed
> and put my pants on both legs at the same time!!
>

i usually just go without.