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I miss the days when B/Ez was widely available, if not on the air at least on-line. But I wonder if there is a B/Ez format today that would work.

We have pretty much lost Smooth Jazz. Where it does still exist, it is mostly R&B vocals with three or four contemporary jazz instrumentals per hour. Beautiful Music formats are rare at best and troublesome at least, normally due to the vocal/instrumental mix.

I am intersted in ideas on what kind of contemporary instrumental mix would work in this decade. My thinking is mostly toward a mix of contemporary jazz, what is left of New Age that is not too weird, and other musicians that would fit. The usual problem exists as to what vocals, if any could/should be included.

I'm just interested in others may think about this idea.
 
WTUX said:
I miss the days when B/Ez was widely available, if not on the air at least on-line. But I wonder if there is a B/Ez format today that would work.

We have pretty much lost Smooth Jazz. Where it does still exist, it is mostly R&B vocals with three or four contemporary jazz instrumentals per hour. Beautiful Music formats are rare at best and troublesome at least, normally due to the vocal/instrumental mix.

I am intersted in ideas on what kind of contemporary instrumental mix would work in this decade. My thinking is mostly toward a mix of contemporary jazz, what is left of New Age that is not too weird, and other musicians that would fit. The usual problem exists as to what vocals, if any could/should be included.

I'm just interested in others may think about this idea.

It's really about perception. We've all been told for years on end that the beautiful music format is "muzak" (this is incorrect because muzak doesn't just offer instrumental music. It offers a wide variety of music formats). We also hear this nonsense that beautiful music is "boring and sleepy". While it's true the music is relaxing, it's definitely not "boring" or "sleepy" (actually I've heard that music does just the opposite; it keeps you alert and awake. I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know I've listened to all different sorts of music when I'm trying to relax, and I most always fall asleep with it, no matter what it is). If we are ever to have any form of beautiful music back on broadcast radio, people's perception of the format is going to have to change. Also, it wouldn't hurt either to update the format with some other forms of instrumental music that's out today. Some of this includes chill, lounge music, smooth jazz, and contemporary instrumental music ("new age" if you want to call it that, but I hate that name that's usually applied to that type of music). The format could still employ instrumental remakes of pop hits as before, just use other varying forms of easy listening music to give it a wider appeal. I recently went on amazonmp3.com and purchased some tracks from the Ray Hamilton Orchestra. These are a little more uptempo than some of the beautiful music that we used to hear 20 years ago on the radio, but it's still enjoyable. It's not that far off from what we used to hear, and it's definitely something I wouldn't mind hearing on a new, updated version of a radio-based beautiful music format.

I started listening to beautiful music when I was about 14 years old. I hated it before then, and it was the music that "dad listened to". I remember one time when I was about 13, my family and I went up to visit my grandmother's one evening. Dad was listening to the beautiful music station, and I told him I couldn't stand that stuff and asked him if he'd turn it off (he didn't honor my request by the way, lol). A few months later, I found myself listening to "beautiful music" and actually liking it. I'm 39 now, and not "65+" that many of the radio conglomerates have decided I am as a "beautiful music listener".


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I often wonder if enough time has passed for beautiful music to escape its perception as Songs-for-the-over-70-set. There’s a good probability that a 20-something today never heard a beautiful music station; and someone who was 30 at the time of Woodstock will be 69 this year. So just how would instrumental music be received today?

The instrumentals usually heard on the air today – of the smooth jazz variety – clearly have a different tone and texture than the soothing strings of Percy Faith or the Hollyridge Strings, and therein lies the reason, in my opinion, for the demise of these formats. The vocals they try to mix in don’t work. Kenny G is best paired with Michael Buble, not Luther Vandross… and that Kenny G song with the pronounced saxophone doesn’t blend with John Fox. What this means – I think – is that Michael Buble fits a smooth jazz format; Luther Vandross does not… and Kenny G is not really a B/EZ artist. That sax can be a little jarring.

Therefore, I feel there could easily be two distinct formats, albeit neither one completely instrumental. I think a 50/50 or 60/40 mix could work… if care and attention is given to that mix. Think of the target audience. Leave Luther for the soft R&B set. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think you would be more apt to find a Michael Buble, Diana Krall, or even Tony Bennett or Ella Fitzgerald CD in a smooth jazz fan’s collection than you would Luther, Alicia Keys, or Boyz II Men. For someone who is a fan of true smooth jazz, there are too many turn-offs until finally they stop listening altogether.

A problem with the vocals of today is the change in style from, say, 20 or 30 years ago. What passes for “singing” today is more like moaning… or you have Celine Dion or Faith Hill assaulting your ear with a sound like an injured cat. This is what today’s easy listening has become, more or less. Someone like Karen Carpenter, with one of the smoothest singing voices ever, would probably not go very far on American Idol.

A true easy listening format should consist of those old-time beautiful music instrumentals paired with soft vocals and MOR hits… Sinatra, Como, Mathis. To keep the format somewhat contemporary, soft country vocals could work (Vince Gill, George Strait, some Alan Jackson - who would flow better in this setting than in today's rock-leaning country format), along with truly soft melodious rock (for example: “Driftwood” by the Moody Blues or "Everything That Touches You" by the Association), not the ‘70s & ‘80s light rock now featured on Dial Global, where it sounds like anything goes. I think this would be something unique on the dial that could attract a new audience.

One notable difference between the beautiful music from yesteryear and contemporary jazz instrumentals today is the familiarity factor. On beautiful music stations, people knew the songs… they were usually covers of the big hits of the day. Contemporary instrumentals are usually original compositions. So, to maintain that familiarity, I wonder if there are any orchestras anymore recording some of the newer hits from the last 15 or 20 years. Probably not.

Finally, since there should be a home for those great instrumental hits of the past, I would split them. “A Walk In The Black Forest,” “Cast Your Fate To The Wind,” or “Soul Coaxing” would work on the EZ – Traditional side with the soft vocals and beautiful music covers, while Herb Alpert, Al Hirt, and maybe even Bert Kaempfert and Billy Vaughn, would better fit the EZ – Contemporary format with Rod Stewart singing standards and Kenny G. (Try “Hungry For Love” by the San Remo Golden Strings or "Keem-O-Sabe" by Electric Indian). But trying to combine these two distinct formats would probably lead to failure, as the audience for one might get turned off by the other. I’d listen to both… EZ Traditional at work and EZ Contemporary in the car.
 
If you think of Smooth Jazz as mainly Kenny G and other annoying sax players (as Smooth Jazz consultants tend to) there is no way listeners to Contemporary Instrumentals will hang in to listen long. Earl Klugh, George Benson and that ilk is what you need. Some Kenny G may work, but it has to be limited.

Bluehen, you and I are thinking alike on the vocals. Luther does not fit. Some Moody Blues does. The vocal/instrumental mix must be carefully put together.
 
It's a shame that so much of this music got pigeon-holed into the unfortunate moniker of "beautiful music." A lot of talented musicians and arrangers pumped out some interesting and, in many ways, innovative albums during the "BM" era; albums that got shunned by young listeners and budding musicians for being thought of as too bland.

Today I'm finding that many young people, especially women, are discovering the Bosa Nova sound of the 60's. How, I'm not sure. But artists like Stan Getz, Joao Gilberto, Antonio Carlos Jobim and Walter Wanderly are finding new ears. They consider the music "classy", as one young woman put it. In fact, I've been considering developing a format based on this music selling it as a format for young women.

I know you can't alter history, but the first thing I'd do is send labels like "Beautiful Music or Easy Listening" to a fiery Gehenna and never mention them again. They have done nothing but harm a lot of great music that was made during the 50's, 60's and early 70's.

C5
 
Carmine5 said:
It's a shame that so much of this music got pigeon-holed into the unfortunate moniker of "beautiful music." A lot of talented musicians and arrangers pumped out some interesting and, in many ways, innovative albums during the "BM" era; albums that got shunned by young listeners and budding musicians for being thought of as too bland.

Today I'm finding that many young people, especially women, are discovering the Bosa Nova sound of the 60's. How, I'm not sure. But artists like Stan Getz, Joao Gilberto, Antonio Carlos Jobim and Walter Wanderly are finding new ears. They consider the music "classy", as one young woman put it. In fact, I've been considering developing a format based on this music selling it as a format for young women.

I know you can't alter history, but the first thing I'd do is send labels like "Beautiful Music or Easy Listening" to a fiery Gehenna and never mention them again. They have done nothing but harm a lot of great music that was made during the 50's, 60's and early 70's.

C5

Not a bad idea,
 
From what I can remember, the beautiful music format was successful in many ways, including businesses that would play it, and my Grandparents liked it because it was "the good music". So, does this format live on anywhere on satellite or the internet? I know this station still has it somewhat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGCY
 
The Atrium said:
From what I can remember, the beautiful music format was successful in many ways, including businesses that would play it, and my Grandparents liked it because it was "the good music". So, does this format live on anywhere on satellite or the internet? I know this station still has it somewhat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGCY

Try KAHM "Calm" in Prescott, AZ. It sounds very much like the beautiful music stations that were on the air during the 70's and 80's.
http://www.KAHM.info


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I worked at an AM beautiful music station, WTUX, in the 60's and 70's. One of the interesting issues was the format appealed more to men than women. Studying the Arbitron books at the time, it was amazing that much more than half the audience was 35+ men. It was no different for the primary FM's in the Wilmington market airing that format, WJBR-FM and WSTW. When FM became so focused on women aged 25-54, the format was replaced by AC becaused it tested well with women in that age group and beautiful did not.

As unbelievably bad as pop music has become, the idea of "classy" music might catch on, with women as well as men. Since smooth jazz, which was popular with women, has become simply Urban AC, there may be a way to bring a contemporary instrumental format back. Jim Brickman type insturmentals still sold well into the current century, among women in the 25-54 demo. I believe it is do-able.
 
The Atrium said:
So, does this format live on anywhere on satellite or the internet? I know this station still has it somewhat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGCY

I currently have a 6-month trial subscription to Sirius which came with a new vehicle. I must say it's rather surprising that the genre isn't represented at all, considering the multitude of channels devoted to rock, pop, and hip hop. The closest might be Spa 73 with its new age music, but it's a little too space-agey for my taste.

Speaking of WGCY, they play some really nice songs, but I wish they would post a playlist on their website as KHOY, KAHM, and WKTZ do. I've e-mailed the station to ask for a title or artist, but they don't respond. WEZV and the old WOEZ wouldn't respond either, which makes me wonder why stations even bother to have a contact link.
 
BlueHen said:
WEZV and the old WOEZ wouldn't respond either, which makes me wonder why stations even bother to have a contact link.
WEZV and WOEZ don't even play instrumentals any more. Any more so than standards stations.
 
BlueHen said:
I often wonder if enough time has passed for beautiful music to escape its perception as Songs-for-the-over-70-set. There’s a good probability that a 20-something today never heard a beautiful music station; and someone who was 30 at the time of Woodstock will be 69 this year. So just how would instrumental music be received today?

The instrumentals usually heard on the air today – of the smooth jazz variety – clearly have a different tone and texture than the soothing strings of Percy Faith or the Hollyridge Strings, and therein lies the reason, in my opinion, for the demise of these formats. The vocals they try to mix in don’t work. Kenny G is best paired with Michael Buble, not Luther Vandross… and that Kenny G song with the pronounced saxophone doesn’t blend with John Fox. What this means – I think – is that Michael Buble fits a smooth jazz format; Luther Vandross does not… and Kenny G is not really a B/EZ artist. That sax can be a little jarring.

Therefore, I feel there could easily be two distinct formats, albeit neither one completely instrumental. I think a 50/50 or 60/40 mix could work… if care and attention is given to that mix. Think of the target audience. Leave Luther for the soft R&B set. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think you would be more apt to find a Michael Buble, Diana Krall, or even Tony Bennett or Ella Fitzgerald CD in a smooth jazz fan’s collection than you would Luther, Alicia Keys, or Boyz II Men. For someone who is a fan of true smooth jazz, there are too many turn-offs until finally they stop listening altogether.
I think the same liabilities which plagued B/EZ also plagued "smooth jazz." These stations (in my not so humble opinion) played way too many remakes! When over 50% of your playlist consists of remake material, it's a clear sign that the musicians featured on your station lack talent! Moreover, when you put such - pardon the expression - "material" on a major signal (virtually all FMs and a good number of AMs) in a given market, you have what is called airwave waste product! B/EZ as it was should have imploded by the mid-1980s, NOT the early '90s.

Way back in the day, Henry Mancini did some remakes, but he also did much original material. In more recent years, Tim Weisberg and the late Dan Fogelberg did at least two albums which features some good ORIGINAL music. The same could be said for the group Acoustic Alchemy. Sadly, these musicians (particularly the latter two) were ignored when it came to having their presence on a good number of B/EZ and Smooth Jazz stations. If I'm going to listen to light music such as this, I'll grab a copy of "Breakfast At Tiffany's" and put it on the stereo rather than listen to the Andre Kostelanetz, the Hollyridge Strings or whomever bastardize good music!


A problem with the vocals of today is the change in style from, say, 20 or 30 years ago. What passes for “singing” today is more like moaning… or you have Celine Dion or Faith Hill assaulting your ear with a sound like an injured cat. This is what today’s easy listening has become, more or less. Someone like Karen Carpenter, with one of the smoothest singing voices ever, would probably not go very far on American Idol.
A true easy listening format should consist of those old-time beautiful music instrumentals paired with soft vocals and MOR hits… Sinatra, Como, Mathis. To keep the format somewhat contemporary, soft country vocals could work (Vince Gill, George Strait, some Alan Jackson - who would flow better in this setting than in today's rock-leaning country format), along with truly soft melodious rock (for example: “Driftwood” by the Moody Blues or "Everything That Touches You" by the Association), not the ‘70s & ‘80s light rock now featured on Dial Global, where it sounds like anything goes. I think this would be something unique on the dial that could attract a new audience.
What about Dan Fogelberg, Brenda Russell, Roberta Flack, Lee Ritenour, Grover Washington, Bill Withers, Stanley Clarke/George Duke, Larry Carlton and the like?

One notable difference between the beautiful music from yesteryear and contemporary jazz instrumentals today is the familiarity factor. On beautiful music stations, people knew the songs… they were usually covers of the big hits of the day. Contemporary instrumentals are usually original compositions. So, to maintain that familiarity, I wonder if there are any orchestras anymore recording some of the newer hits from the last 15 or 20 years. Probably not.
..and that's just as well! We need more of that like we need a hole in the head! Let's let (much if not most of) traditional easy listening go and stay the way of the Chevy Vega, Ford Pinto and other such flops! Some of it MIGHT've been OK. The rest...Gar-BAAAJJJE!

Finally, since there should be a home for those great instrumental hits of the past, I would split them. “A Walk In The Black Forest,” “Cast Your Fate To The Wind,” or “Soul Coaxing” would work on the EZ – Traditional side with the soft vocals and beautiful music covers, while Herb Alpert, Al Hirt, and maybe even Bert Kaempfert and Billy Vaughn, would better fit the EZ – Contemporary format with Rod Stewart singing standards and Kenny G. (Try “Hungry For Love” by the San Remo Golden Strings or "Keem-O-Sabe" by Electric Indian). But trying to combine these two distinct formats would probably lead to failure, as the audience for one might get turned off by the other. I’d listen to both… EZ Traditional at work and EZ Contemporary in the car.
Personally, I think a "lite R&B" perhaps combined with "smooth jazz" format would be great for some of the more urban areas.
 
Wow I hear everyone with some really good suggestions here. I always enjoyed the lush instrumentals with all the big string sections. Sometimes I think the format went a little far trying to make pop songs that didn't have pretty melodies fit the format just because they were popular top 40 hits.

The problem is I keep thinking of the middle age white guy I saw yesterday in traffic listening to rap music and chanting along......yeech!
 
When B/Ez stations such as WEAZ attempted to add the better New Age type music during the 80's, it bombed with their listeners. It seemed listeners wanted instrumentals of songs they were familar with, not so much original material. I found that you had to introduce new, original instrumentals slowly, only a couple of new ones per week. I included Yanni, George Winston, Will Acherman and the like, but we made sure to give the listeners title and artist to allow for greater listener feed back.

The retreds on Smooth Jazz bothered me, but again it was to offer listeners songs they were familiar with, in hopes of appealing to a broader audience.
 
WTUX said:
When B/Ez stations such as WEAZ attempted to add the better New Age type music during the 80's, it bombed with their listeners. It seemed listeners wanted instrumentals of songs they were familar with, not so much original material. I found that you had to introduce new, original instrumentals slowly, only a couple of new ones per week. I included Yanni, George Winston, Will Acherman and the like, but we made sure to give the listeners title and artist to allow for greater listener feed back.

The retreds on Smooth Jazz bothered me, but again it was to offer listeners songs they were familiar with, in hopes of appealing to a broader audience.
For the most part, I don't want any new age. I did happen to listen to a smooth jazz station at the right time to hear that a song I liked was by Yanni, live at the Akropolis. There were enough "real" instruments to make it enjoyable.
 
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