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Could a Part 15 get Sports games?
- Thread starter phils07
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Hey Phil,
I'm based out of New Jersey. I'd like to have a Part 15 Sports Station, and I'd also like to work with other Part 15 owners who want to do the same thing.
I'm based out of New Jersey. I'd like to have a Part 15 Sports Station, and I'd also like to work with other Part 15 owners who want to do the same thing.
LibertyNT said:
Liberty.. "recounts of the game cannot be used without express written consent from the NFL.".. I'm not sure what that means, that phrase can be interpreted different ways ..I tried to search it out and had a lot of difficulty finding any useful definitive answers..
But I did find the following interesting:
Legal Battle Brews Over Internet TV Re-broadcasting - What Are The Repercussions?
http://www.reelseo.com/legal-battle-tv-rebroadcasting/
It's about "IVI" an internet tv site which the NFL is trying to sue for copyrite infringement for rebroadcasting their games (video) on the internet.. and IVI is counter suing them for being "... wrongly accused of copyright infringement, an accusation disruptive to our business. We needed resolution of these issues right away. We believe the copyright claims are unsubstantiated and are really just camouflage for trying to stifle innovation and competition. Furthermore, we pay broadcasters in accordance with the law, just like cable"
What's going to happen there I'm sure we'll soon find out, I mean they are actually rebroadcasting the video and audio that the NFL produces --- but this is quite different from what phil07 is wanting to do - which is just an audio reporting what he sees from his perspective.
You know, I don't know - I'm no lawyer, but if phil07 is not broadcasting any of the audio or video of the game, and only reporting his personal viewpoints of occurrences of the game as he sees it, then how could he be breaking any copywrite?
If so, that would mean actual occurrences could be copyrighted! - It just doesn't make any sense.
What about SportsJuice (http://www.sportsjuice.com/)
Has any Part 15 operator use SportsJuice to broadcast games?
Has any Part 15 operator use SportsJuice to broadcast games?
You gotta go ask them. In my experience 99% of these are "barter," meaning that as long as you play their "network" spots there are no additional costs.phils07 said:
You do. That's why FOX, CBS, NBC, ABC, ESPN, etc. pay for 'exclusive rights.'phils07 said:
So you can't go and do what they're doing on a part 15 or the internet.
And also so the other big guns can't do it on their big gun media.
I might not mind if Tim from down the street goes and does play-by-play of the same minor-league game I'm doing, since I don't have millions invested in being the exclusive. The team might not even care, unless he's using profanities and getting more than 20 people listening in.
But, as always, the leagues and the teams are all in cahoots like that!
Mostly because they don't want to be associated with or have to bother with any of us yahoo-types to stain their branding...
You're absolutely right! Part 15 operators cannot get Major league games, but there are smaller semi-professional teams and youth teams that are local and don't have a media contract. That's where Part 15 stations can come in and serve the public.
Again, I'm looking to start Part 15 Sports Radio station, and I am looking for other Part 15 operators who wish to do that same. Perhaps, we can work together.
Again, I'm looking to start Part 15 Sports Radio station, and I am looking for other Part 15 operators who wish to do that same. Perhaps, we can work together.
quadraphonic said:
Pay for exclusive rights.. to do what?? -Broadcast nationally?
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But it really seems to me (and I know I'm repeating myself) that he has a right to report in his own words absolutely any events of any kind, occurring anywhere, without any permissions from anybody, -- How can publicly expressing your personal viewpoints, using only your own voice, what you witness with your own eyes, to whomever you please.. How can that be a violation of someone else's copywrite?
Again, I emphasize; How can anyone copywrite an occurrence?
It goes against common sense.
Your talking about running a Part 15 community radio station.. Why don't you go after a local community team instead of the big teams that are already covered by other media outlets.
xmusicmatt said:
That's an excellent point! Your local station would be much more valuable and interesting to whoever your listeners are if you provided content that no other media broadcast provides.. and that would be local content! - Your station would be the exclusive live media source!
That makes a lot of sense xmusicmatt; a community radio stations focus should by definition, consist specifically about the local community.
But wouldn't it make sense to have a National or Regional Part 15 Sports Network? That way, a Part 15 station can broadcast games both from the network AND local games.
Richard J Powers said:
If you are at a game, a buddy calls and asks what the score is, you can tell him and give some details about the game. That's a private conversation and is OK under fair-use laws. But if you are broadcasting the game to the general public and making money doing so, then the owners of the content (aka, the teams or league) have the right to sell access to their performance. I'm not sure what they do about camcorders owned by the fans. I think small snippets are OK, but not the entire game.
Games are owned by the league/conference or team. They are private property and you have to pay to get in, either by fans buying tickets or networks/stations paying for broadcast rights. In both cases, they will be charged whatever the market will bear.
A different situation is posed by a parade - the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade is a perfect example. The rights to televise the parade were sold by Macy's to NBC beginning in 1955. Only they can set up their facilities in front of the Macy's store and only they can call it the Macy's parade. But since the event is held on public streets, anyone can set up a broadcast booth away from Macy's- or NBC-owned facilites and televise it from there. They just can't call it the Macy's parade. This is what CBS does, and there is nothing that Macy's or NBC can do about it.
But football isn't played on public streets, so the owners of the games have the right to charge broadcasters for play-by-play rights, just as they have the right to make us buy tickets to get into the stadium.
If your reach is four houses, why not walk over to your neighbors' homes and ask if they are listening to your Part 15 radio station? No need to guess here. If they are not then why invest your time and money in this endeavor?
A better solution for your interest in radio is to set-up a local community internet station. You can broadcast all the town's games, high school and otherwise. You can also broadcast town council meetings, school board meetings, grand openings of local businesses etc and do live and local call-in shows.
Get your name out there. Talk to the local newspapers, and get free press for your endeavor. Make friends with the Rotary Club, Kiwanis, etc. Invite local religious & political leaders on your station.
The internet offers you the opportunity to bring the entire town, county, and even state on board with your station depending on the audience you desire to attract.
Here's the difference: With a Part 15 you may attract an audience of 0 to 4 people and with an internet station done right you can have a listenership in the thousands. You choose.
A better solution for your interest in radio is to set-up a local community internet station. You can broadcast all the town's games, high school and otherwise. You can also broadcast town council meetings, school board meetings, grand openings of local businesses etc and do live and local call-in shows.
Get your name out there. Talk to the local newspapers, and get free press for your endeavor. Make friends with the Rotary Club, Kiwanis, etc. Invite local religious & political leaders on your station.
The internet offers you the opportunity to bring the entire town, county, and even state on board with your station depending on the audience you desire to attract.
Here's the difference: With a Part 15 you may attract an audience of 0 to 4 people and with an internet station done right you can have a listenership in the thousands. You choose.
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