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Could a Taylor Swift format work?

Y2kTheNewOldies said:
Damn and also this put Taylor Swift a target of political rants and conspiracy theories involving a fan that died in Brazil. The only issue here is that its the concert promoters, local police and stadium security staff that dropped the ball on crowd control in that instance.
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If the fan died of dehydration (no autopsy has been performed per O Globo newspaper online), then the issue is the prohibition of the sale of bottled water in the stadium by the concessionaire and the stadium management.

There was no issue with police, the promoters or the stadium security. There was a long standing prohibition of bottled or canned liquids in that stadium and in most others in Latin America because a full bottle is a deadly weapon.
 
DavidEduardo said:
If the fan died of dehydration (no autopsy has been performed per O Globo newspaper online), then the issue is the prohibition of the sale of bottled water in the stadium by the concessionaire and the stadium management.

There was no issue with police, the promoters or the stadium security. There was a long standing prohibition of bottled or canned liquids in that stadium and in most others in Latin America because a full bottle is a deadly weapon.
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First prohibition of giving people bottled water while standing in lines to vote, and now this. ;)
 
DavidEduardo said:
"They" is the stadium, not the promoter. In Latin America, many experiences with upset or emotional soccer fans has made the sale of anything in bottles or cans very dangerous, so only paper cup sales are allowed (and even then, fans fill them with urine and put a lid on them and throw them!).
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Stadium officials would be unaware of the difference between a soccer crowd and a Taylor Swift crowd? Please! You're feeding the stereotype of hot-blooded, uncontrollable Latinos and defending ignorance on the part of whoever runs the stadium.
 
CTListener said:
Stadium officials would be unaware of the difference between a soccer crowd and a Taylor Swift crowd?
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In a stadium used for all purposes, they have seen violence even in sertanejo concerts such as Michel Teló in this song

and in other more natural environments like soccer, boxing and the like.

Note: that song alone gave him $6.2 million dollars in rights fees. He's not worth the $400 million of Roberto Carlos, but he is way up there. 4
CTListener said:
Please! You're feeding the stereotype of hot-blooded, uncontrollable Latinos and defending ignorance on the part of whoever runs the stadium.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but many stadium events in Latin America have some degree of violence. I used to do salsa concerts in Puerto Rico and always had 1) extra security and 2) fights of some kind. Biggest problem I had was with our beach concerts for Z-101 in Santo Domingo; at one that pulled around 300,000 people we had ambulances standing by and they were used!

Best behaved audiences were Argentine rock artist concerts in Buenos Aires. Even ones with 30,000 in a stadium were very well under control.

Bottles are prohibited almost everywhere, from indoor arenas to stadium venues

Back when I broadcast soccer in Ecuador, they sold beer in half-liter bottles. In on game a player was hit with one and out of commission for the whole season. That was before paper or plastic cups were available there, so the stadium decided only to sell pint bottles which could not do as much damage.
 
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DavidEduardo said:
Back when I broadcast soccer in Ecuador, they sold beer in half-liter bottles. In on game a player was hit with one and out of commission for the whole season. That was before paper or plastic cups were available there, so the stadium decided only to sell pint bottles which could not do as much damage.
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Huh? A half-liter is 1.05 pints, or 16.8 ounces. A minimal difference there. Did they switch from half-liter bottles to 16 oz cans, which would have been much lighter?
 
KeithE4 said:
Huh? A half-liter is 1.05 pints, or 16.8 ounces. A minimal difference there. Did they switch from half-liter bottles to 16 oz cans, which would have been much lighter?
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Sorry, meant full liter. I was looking for the equivalent size, as then in Ecuador odd measurements of liquid were used.

There were no cans or plastic bottles (or plastic cups or even paper cups) in Ecuador then. Heck, few of us even had (or needed a refrigerator) then.
 
fybush said:
Any stadium or ballpark I've been in that's sold bottles, they take the cap off before they sell it to you.

An uncapped plastic bottle can't do very much damage.
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Never been in a stadium in the US in the last 2 decades so that is an interesting fact.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Sorry, meant full liter. I was looking for the equivalent size, as then in Ecuador odd measurements of liquid were used.
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What did they use? Did they have their own system or was it something unique/common to South America?
DavidEduardo said:
There were no cans or plastic bottles (or plastic cups or even paper cups) in Ecuador then. Heck, few of us even had (or needed a refrigerator) then.
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How did people keep food cold? Or were ice boxes still common in those days?
 
KeithE4 said:
What did they use? Did they have their own system or was it something unique/common to South America?
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Unique, and since regulated out of use. But even in the 60's was used for beer containers. Unique and based on something pre-colonial.
KeithE4 said:
How did people keep food cold? Or were ice boxes still common in those days?
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We bought each day's food fresh. I still drink Cokes at room temperature because, to me, that tastes better.

I got my first refrigerator because the manager of the "new" refrigerator maker in Ecuador became a friend and he gave me one! There were no frozen foods, so mostly it kept ice cream and soft drinks and, occasionally vegetables that we had bought too much of. Not really needed.
 
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Don CT said:
Maybe they should not have events in really hot weather if they will not supply water to keep people alive.
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I think it's called 'personal responsibility'. If you believe the weather will be unusually warm with a likely risk of waiting in line, how about bringing along a couple of bottles of water? The worst case is if you don't drink either or both, you'll have to toss them before entering security.
The concert promoter or venue handing out even bottled water brings up a host of potential issues including; someone in the crowd intentionally spiking the handed-out water and then claiming it was Taylor Swift's promoter or someone else with money who spiked the water. A fight breaks out and someone gets injured from being hit by a full water bottle. I mean really, to what lengths people will go to take something intended as good, and turn it into a potential payday?
 
Kelly A said:
I think it's called 'personal responsibility'. If you believe the weather will be unusually warm with a likely risk of waiting in line, how about bringing along a couple of bottles of water? The worst case is if you don't drink either or both, you'll have to toss them before entering security.
The concert promoter or venue handing out even bottled water brings up a host of potential issues including; someone in the crowd intentionally spiking the handed-out water and then claiming it was Taylor Swift's promoter or someone else with money who spiked the water. A fight breaks out and someone gets injured from being hit by a full water bottle. I mean really, to what lengths people will go to take something intended as good, and turn it into a potential payday?
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If the venue will not allow anything in what good will bringing water do?
 
Don CT said:
Maybe they should not have events in really hot weather if they will not supply water to keep people alive.
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One thing is to have drinking fountains (which the venue does have in the access corridors) and "providing" (which to me means "free") bottled water or drinks.

That stadium is decades old. It has never had such a problem before. And, until there is an autopsy report, we don't even know if the death was heat related!

The unusual circumstance was a heat wave vastly more intense than ever felt before. Neither the government nor the promoter nor the stadium had any way of anticipating the extremes of the heat. For those who have never been there, Rio de Janeiro is hot and humid always... that is not unusual; that's why the people there are famous for going to the many beaches when it is too hot (Barra de Tijuca is my favorite!)
 
I saw Taylor in a movie yesterday. I can only guess the station showed it because of her but she was only in it for about ten seconds, and I only found out because they showed the above the title stars at the end.

She was the Receiver of Memories, a very important job in a "1984" type world. She failed and so most of her time on screen was as a ghost singing.
 
vchimpanzee said:
I saw Taylor in a movie yesterday. I can only guess the station showed it because of her but she was only in it for about ten seconds, and I only found out because they showed the above the title stars at the end.

She was the Receiver of Memories, a very important job in a "1984" type world. She failed and so most of her time on screen was as a ghost singing.
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Wait what?? You went to the Eras Tour movie in a theater? What "station" are you talking about?
 
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