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Could Atlanta overtake San Francisco as the nation's #6 market???


Atlanta recently went up three spots from the #10 television market in America to #7, surpassing Boston, Washington, DC, and Houston. BUT...are we on track to trading positions with San Francisco?

Here's why: Atlanta has 2,648,970 households compared to San Francisco's 2,653,270; if you do the math, that's a difference of only 4,300. Also...all throughout 2020, a combination of unrelenting wildfires, civil unrest, cost of high living, and of course the COVID-19 pandemic has had hundreds of thousands of Californians defecting to other states, especially Georgia, where the film/TV production industry has been booming with Atlanta as its hub (they don't call it the Hollywood of the South for nothing); Oracle, Palantir, and Hewlett-Packard Enterprise, which all started in the Bay Area, have left California as well and moving their headquarters elsewhere.

Another is that Atlanta-based Gray Television has acquired Meredith's stations (meaning WGCL will be their flagship) and has just bought Third Rail Studios in Doraville, which was formerly the General Motors assembly plant. That, in addition to Norfolk Southern relocating their headquarters from Virginia to Midtown and Microsoft recently opening up their offices in the Atlantic Station district, could help Atlanta become the new #6 market in the country, which also means the South will have back-to-back markets (Dallas-Fort Worth is #5)! What do you think?
 
It's quite possible; we just have to wait for the number crunching. Gray's acquisition of Meredith isn't a done deal yet. Two things are holding it up: a duopoly issue in Anchorage, Alaska and an issue in Las Vegas over the Meredith station pulling the ads for an antenna company.
 

Atlanta recently went up three spots from the #10 television market in America to #7, surpassing Boston, Washington, DC, and Houston. BUT...are we on track to trading positions with San Francisco?

Here's why: Atlanta has 2,648,970 households compared to San Francisco's 2,653,270; if you do the math, that's a difference of only 4,300. Also...all throughout 2020, a combination of unrelenting wildfires, civil unrest, cost of high living, and of course the COVID-19 pandemic has had hundreds of thousands of Californians defecting to other states, especially Georgia, where the film/TV production industry has been booming with Atlanta as its hub (they don't call it the Hollywood of the South for nothing); Oracle, Palantir, and Hewlett-Packard Enterprise, which all started in the Bay Area, have left California as well and moving their headquarters elsewhere.

Another is that Atlanta-based Gray Television has acquired Meredith's stations (meaning WGCL will be their flagship) and has just bought Third Rail Studios in Doraville, which was formerly the General Motors assembly plant. That, in addition to Norfolk Southern relocating their headquarters from Virginia to Midtown and Microsoft recently opening up their offices in the Atlantic Station district, could help Atlanta become the new #6 market in the country, which also means the South will have back-to-back markets (Dallas-Fort Worth is #5)! What do you think?
I knew of the big media outlets near the CA-134 freeway in the San Fernando Valley talk about Atlanta and Nashville and it's usually compared or played like "The Austin of Film, TV or the Austin of Podcast and Recording industries" given that these cities are notable for getting ex-California residents for job and tax reasons. For now I don't think Atlanta will over take San Francisco as larger DMA. I think Houston, and Phoenix will have to be considered too in the running to go after Atlanta too as the likely scenario.
 
I was thinking the number of full power stations (San Francisco has 22 while Atlanta has 14) would be a factor based on the presupposition of media consumption, but there some smaller markets that have as many if not more than Atlanta (Washington DC, Miami, Mobile/Pensacola and Orlando come to mind).
 
There were lots of stories about tech companies and employees leaving the Bay area for other parts of the country during the pandemic - it'll be interesting to see how big of an impact it actually had on their population figures or if it actually made much of a dent in the grand scheme.
 
There were lots of stories about tech companies and employees leaving the Bay area for other parts of the country during the pandemic - it'll be interesting to see how big of an impact it actually had on their population figures or if it actually made much of a dent in the grand scheme.
Yes here in California we hear about Texas especially the Austin Area grabbing most of the attention because the Venture Capitalists, Big Tech and Startup companies in Soma, Financial District, Menlo Park, Palo Alto, Cupertino, San Mateo and San Jose were all hyping up the Austin area or other parts of Texas like HP did and Elon Musk's investment group did in the past year.

Note there is another group that has to be considered that is talking about having their operations out of California it is the biotech industry and their investors.
The Biotech Industry is talking about having parts of their operations in the Research Triangle area of North Carolina.



https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article253729028.html

 
I was thinking the number of full power stations (San Francisco has 22 while Atlanta has 14) would be a factor based on the presupposition of media consumption, but there some smaller markets that have as many if not more than Atlanta (Washington DC, Miami, Mobile/Pensacola and Orlando come to mind).
Many if not truly most of the San Francisco market "full facility" FMs don't cover the whole market, which extends from Campbell to Santa Rosa. In Atlanta, nearly all of the ones that are not rimshots cover it all and even some of the "at an edge of the market" cover nearly all.

The San Francisco market has 7.9 million. Based on the City Grade signal, only four of the FMs cover over 4 million. Four more cover between 3 and 4 million and another 10 cover 2 to 3 million.

Atlanta has 11 stations covering essentially all the market with a 70 dbu. It has another handfull that do at least 75% of the population. Of course, Atlanta is a Class C zone, while the Bay Area is a B zone... although it has a good number of grandfathered higher power facilities.

Coastal markets generally have fewer full FMs as there are no allocations on the ocean side half of the geography.
 
Many if not truly most of the San Francisco market "full facility" FMs don't cover the whole market, which extends from Campbell to Santa Rosa. In Atlanta, nearly all of the ones that are not rimshots cover it all and even some of the "at an edge of the market" cover nearly all.

The San Francisco market has 7.9 million. Based on the City Grade signal, only four of the FMs cover over 4 million. Four more cover between 3 and 4 million and another 10 cover 2 to 3 million.

Atlanta has 11 stations covering essentially all the market with a 70 dbu. It has another handfull that do at least 75% of the population. Of course, Atlanta is a Class C zone, while the Bay Area is a B zone... although it has a good number of grandfathered higher power facilities.

Coastal markets generally have fewer full FMs as there are no allocations on the ocean side half of the geography.
Two of them KFRC-FM 106.9 FM managed by Audacy as an 80kw station airing all news and KQED-FM 88.5 FM the NPR News/Talk affiliate 110kw and are usually the top rated FM's in the Bay Area. I know in the Bay Area the radio markets are also split into three parts one is San Jose, the other Santa Rosa would be counted as separate radio markets from San Francisco-Oakland. Santa Rosa was a Diary market at one point due to the way Neilsen set was testing PPM for larger media markets like San Francisco when PPM was released in 2008-2009 timeframe.

Are KLLC, KIOI, KQED and KFRC-FM (KCBS All News) references for 4 full power FM's that reach 4 million or more.

KIOI - Wikipedia and Iheart Owned KIOI has 125 kw ERP.


And another Audacy owned station KLLC has 82 kw.
 
I know in the Bay Area the radio markets are also split into three parts one is San Jose, the other Santa Rosa would be counted as separate radio markets from San Francisco-Oakland. Santa Rosa was a Diary market at one point due to the way Neilsen set was testing PPM for larger media markets like San Francisco when PPM was released in 2008-2009 timeframe.
Santa Rosa and San Jose were always embedded markets inside the whole SF market, just as "Nassau-Suffolk" has always been embedded in the NYC market. The objective of embedded markets is to allow stations that only cover a part of a market to have a "full book" of their own with just an extract of data from the larger geographical area.

There was no change in the SF market when the PPM began.

Orange County, for some years, was an embedded market in the LA Arbitrons. When the local stations stopped buying the book, Arbitron cancelled it.
 
There were lots of stories about tech companies and employees leaving the Bay area for other parts of the country during the pandemic - it'll be interesting to see how big of an impact it actually had on their population figures or if it actually made much of a dent in the grand scheme.
Remember, Nielsen does not use Census figures directly for its market population and demographic data. They do annual updates based on data from independent demographers that uses all kinds of information such as birth and death records, auto registrations, residence tax data and other indirect sources which can be tabulated together to get what is likely more accurate estimates than the Census data.
 
Two of them KFRC-FM 106.9 FM managed by Audacy as an 80kw station airing all news and KQED-FM 88.5 FM the NPR News/Talk affiliate 110kw and are usually the top rated FM's in the Bay Area. I know in the Bay Area the radio markets are also split into three parts one is San Jose, the other Santa Rosa would be counted as separate radio markets from San Francisco-Oakland. Santa Rosa was a Diary market at one point due to the way Neilsen set was testing PPM for larger media markets like San Francisco when PPM was released in 2008-2009 timeframe.

Are KLLC, KIOI, KQED and KFRC-FM (KCBS All News) references for 4 full power FM's that reach 4 million or more.

KIOI - Wikipedia and Iheart Owned KIOI has 125 kw ERP.


And another Audacy owned station KLLC has 82 kw.
KIOI is a blowtorch. I recall taking a family trip to the Bay Area back in 1992 and KIOI was the only station in the Bay Area to make it all the way down US101 to Monterrey.
 




Here are Articles on how Atlanta is giving Burbank, Studio City, Universal City, Culver City and Century City a run for their money at least for filming.




Had no idea Georgia was also trying to give Nashville a run for its money as attracting Music talent to move from New York and Los Angeles to be the recording and concert industry hubs too.
 

Atlanta recently went up three spots from the #10 television market in America to #7, surpassing Boston, Washington, DC, and Houston. BUT...are we on track to trading positions with San Francisco?
Anything below #4 Philadelphia is in flux. San Francisco was #8 (all-time low) and Houston was #7 (highest ever) back in 2017. I could see San Francisco take back the #5 spot and put Dallas into #6 because of the tech industry in-person office post-COVID. Houston could go back to #7 (Atlanta being bumped back to #8) because of the current energy industry boom and relocations within Texas (mostly from San Antonio and Austin, with some from Dallas).
 
Anything below #4 Philadelphia is in flux. San Francisco was #8 (all-time low) and Houston was #7 (highest ever) back in 2017. I could see San Francisco take back the #5 spot and put Dallas into #6 because of the tech industry in-person office post-COVID. Houston could go back to #7 (Atlanta being bumped back to #8) because of the current energy industry boom and relocations within Texas (mostly from San Antonio and Austin, with some from Dallas).


Also consider this one the Bay Area isn't just the home of the "Big Tech" industry it's also the home of Biotech. This also factors in why San Francisco Media Market has a history of bouncing between 5-8 in DMA rankings. The Biotech Industry will step in and replace some of the now removed "Big Tech" jobs that moved to other parts of the USA or out of country in some cases.








 
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