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Could it happen to KXKL

B

Boondocker

Guest
Hopefully you've been paying attention to the drama that gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My question for Denver is: Could it happen here?

What happened, of course, is that without warning on June 3, the nation's pre-eminent oldies station, Infinity-owned WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the beloved Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New York radio institutions, and went to the Jack format. Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet did the same.

“The research has shown us that people are looking for a radio station in their market with less repetition and more variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior vice president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods or listening to music on your computer, people are beginning to use media a little bit differently. In programming a radio station, you have to take that into account.”

More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged anonymity said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad salesman to relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"

Call the reasoning cold, call it age-discriminatory, call it cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their side.

* Even though radio remains more profitable than newspapers, network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from advertising may total less than 2 percent this year, down from about 6.5 percent in 2000.

* Listenership and time spent listening is down. Radio’s total audience dropped 4 percent over the past year to 194 million, down from 203 million, according to the NPD Group media research company in Port Washington, N.Y. And Arbitron says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week from 30 hours in 1993.

* People are turning to the Web to download songs through such services as iTunes and listening to Internet radio.

* And then there's competition from Sirius and XM. In fact, Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting full-page ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio station has suddenly abandoned the format you love,
come to Sirius.”

Which brings us to the other side.

* WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest radio market in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so can you imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?

* And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a bigger pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given that, what the heck makes the oldies format so demographically undesirable -- unless it's simply that the Gen-Xers out selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT to sell it?

OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and Kool-105. INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local Infinity cluster has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of the Denver Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected leadership.

A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in Denver. But still -- could a format change be in the offing for KXKL? Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and the rest -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?

Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent top-10 oldies format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it? Should it? And if it happened, would it be good business, or simply one generation failing to relate to another?

And is there another solution?

What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a profitable and influential segment of the audience and has created an enormous groundswell of bad will in New York -- including a blistering attack from New York's senior U.S. senator, Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done much to fuel the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite. Definitely a Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.

But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday, so I'm as biased as anybody.

What do YOU think?
 
First, that study of Jack formats doing well in cume was a bunch of crap. How's their TSL? Thank you. Look at our Jack station for proof that they won't win any "battles" with the cume factor (it can be done, but you need a decent TSL to do it with and they doen't even have that). Also, their demo is WAY off. The study showed it's strongest listeners are younger than their target demo (conviently left out of the part released to the public). Denver has a good core audience for the oldies. The thing that could kill it, as it did the Chicago and New York stations, is the evolution of the format. Sure, people can say Jack is an 80s based format that hits on both sides of the decade but lets be real, with Infinity "buying" into it enough to create a position to head-up their Jack operation, it's just a matter of time before they take ownership of the product (Cadilliac Jack will give in when the money comes his way) and they (Infinity) will turn it into their oldies format that fits the recent demo studies that show that most of the 30-45 crowd that oldies was trying to cater to by moving into 70's and early 80's music didn't want to be associated with the words "old," "classic," or any other word(s) that might define them as getting old.

> Hopefully you've been paying attention to the drama that
> gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My question for
> Denver is: Could it happen here?
>
> What happened, of course, is that without warning on June 3,
> the nation's pre-eminent oldies station, Infinity-owned
> WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the beloved
> Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New York
> radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet did the
> same.
>
> “The research has shown us that people are looking for a
> radio station in their market with less repetition and more
> variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior vice
> president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods or
> listening to music on your computer, people are beginning to
> use media a little bit differently. In programming a radio
> station, you have to take that into account.”
>
> More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged anonymity
> said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad salesman to
> relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
>
> Call the reasoning cold, call it age-discriminatory, call it
> cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their side.
>
> * Even though radio remains more profitable than newspapers,
> network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
> advertising may total less than 2 percent this year, down
> from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
>
> * Listenership and time spent listening is down. Radio’s
> total audience dropped 4 percent over the past year to 194
> million, down from 203 million, according to the NPD Group
> media research company in Port Washington, N.Y. And Arbitron
> says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week from 30
> hours in 1993.
>
> * People are turning to the Web to download songs through
> such services as iTunes and listening to Internet radio.
>
> * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM. In fact,
> Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting full-page
> ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio station has
> suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> come to Sirius.”
>
> Which brings us to the other side.
>
> * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest radio market
> in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so can you
> imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
>
> * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a bigger
> pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given that, what
> the heck makes the oldies format so demographically
> undesirable -- unless it's simply that the Gen-Xers out
> selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT to sell
> it?
>
> OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and Kool-105.
> INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local Infinity cluster
> has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of the Denver
> Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected leadership.
>
> A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in Denver. But
> still -- could a format change be in the offing for KXKL?
> Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and the rest
> -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
>
> Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent top-10 oldies
> format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it? Should it?
> And if it happened, would it be good business, or simply one
> generation failing to relate to another?
>
> And is there another solution?
>
> What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a profitable and
> influential segment of the audience and has created an
> enormous groundswell of bad will in New York -- including a
> blistering attack from New York's senior U.S. senator,
> Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done much to fuel
> the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite. Definitely a
> Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
>
> But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday, so I'm as
> biased as anybody.
>
> What do YOU think?
>
 
I don't think what had happened in new york and Chicago will happen with KXKL.

And Iam 90% sure on that.
 
Re: Could it happen-If it DID happen...

> Hopefully you've been paying attention to the drama that
> gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My question for
> Denver is: Could it happen here?
>
> What happened, of course, is that without warning on June 3,
> the nation's pre-eminent oldies station, Infinity-owned
> WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the beloved
> Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New York
> radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet did the
> same.
>
> “The research has shown us that people are looking for a
> radio station in their market with less repetition and more
> variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior vice
> president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods or
> listening to music on your computer, people are beginning to
> use media a little bit differently. In programming a radio
> station, you have to take that into account.”
>

> More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged anonymity
> said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad salesman to
> relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
>
> Call the reasoning cold, call it age-discriminatory, call it
> cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their side.
>
> * Even though radio remains more profitable than newspapers,
> network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
> advertising may total less than 2 percent this year, down
> from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
>
> * Listenership and time spent listening is down. Radio’s
> total audience dropped 4 percent over the past year to 194
> million, down from 203 million, according to the NPD Group
> media research company in Port Washington, N.Y. And Arbitron
> says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week from 30
> hours in 1993.
>
> * People are turning to the Web to download songs through
> such services as iTunes and listening to Internet radio.
>
> * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM. In fact,
> Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting full-page
> ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio station has
> suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> come to Sirius.”
>
> Which brings us to the other side.
>
> * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest radio market
> in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so can you
> imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
>
> * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a bigger
> pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given that, what
> the heck makes the oldies format so demographically
> undesirable -- unless it's simply that the Gen-Xers out
> selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT to sell
> it?
>
> OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and Kool-105.
> INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local Infinity cluster
> has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of the Denver
> Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected leadership.
>
> A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in Denver. But
> still -- could a format change be in the offing for KXKL?
> Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and the rest
> -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
>
> Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent top-10 oldies
> format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it? Should it?
> And if it happened, would it be good business, or simply one
> generation failing to relate to another?
>
> And is there another solution?
>
> What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a profitable and
> influential segment of the audience and has created an
> enormous groundswell of bad will in New York -- including a
> blistering attack from New York's senior U.S. senator,
> Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done much to fuel
> the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite. Definitely a
> Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
>
> But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday, so I'm as
> biased as anybody.
>
> What do YOU think?
> >
Hi all,
Here's my thoughts on this coming from someone who has been an "oldies" D.J. as a sideline for around 20 years now...(infact I have a gig this Fathers' day weekend):
First, if Infinity did "blow up" KXKL, some other mediochre-performing FM in the area would immediatly seize the opportunity and "flip", hopefully picking up a displaced Randy Jay along the way.
Second, regardless of whatever one wants to label the music we have traditionally called "oldies", the listener population isn't dead and buried yet. As pointed out by others, the music is "skewing" to accomodate the age range of the audience. A number of "oldies" formatts, especially on the FM side have purposely dropped the 50's "sockhopper stuff" and are only playing early 60's through late 70's. Infact Cheyenne's #1 KRRR now plays through the end of the year 1980, which covers most of the post-disco "new wave" period (imagine Gary Numan following Gary Lewis). Yet it is still true, though, that stations who are playing strictly a 70's and 80's mix usually try to avoid the "oldies" moniker, and usually go for a "classic" or "gold" handle.
Finally, isn't comparing the New York and Denver markets sort of like comparing "Big Apples" and oranges?
 
> First, that study of Jack formats doing well in cume was a
> bunch of crap. How's their TSL? Thank you. Look at our Jack
> station for proof that they won't win any "battles" with the
> cume factor (it can be done, but you need a decent TSL to do
> it with and they doen't even have that). Also, their demo is
> WAY off. The study showed it's strongest listeners are
> younger than their target demo (conviently left out of the
> part released to the public). Denver has a good core
> audience for the oldies. The thing that could kill it, as it
> did the Chicago and New York stations, is the evolution of
> the format. Sure, people can say Jack is an 80s based format
> that hits on both sides of the decade but lets be real, with
> Infinity "buying" into it enough to create a position to
> head-up their Jack operation, it's just a matter of time
> before they take ownership of the product (Cadilliac Jack
> will give in when the money comes his way) and they
> (Infinity) will turn it into their oldies format that fits
> the recent demo studies that show that most of the 30-45
> crowd that oldies was trying to cater to by moving into 70's
> and early 80's music didn't want to be associated with the
> words "old," "classic," or any other word(s) that might
> define them as getting old.
>
First off where are you getting your Facts about the Jack station in Denver?
I know for a fact that jack is very strong in Denver AND in Fort Collins as well! That station filled aviod that no other station could fill at all! That void is NO talk, Less commericals and More of the Music and I can tell you for a fact that alot of bussiness do tune into Jack! In fact I know of 3 bussiness off hand that does listen to jack for the Mix of Music!
1. Is Fantastic Sams( They love the mix of music and the no Talk and less commericals)
2. Arbys on S.college has Jack on everyday
3. The MVR in the Larmier Court building on Mason!
And proably alot more bussiness do tune into Jack and the ratings btw for Jack is very strong and very good!
Plus I don't see KXKL going away any time soon! THat is also a very popular oldies station and infinity wouldn't be dumb enough to destroy a very successful station!
Yes comparing New York City to Denver? How Dumb is that? You can't, they got different inviroment up there and different people as well!
So it is really pointless to compare to what happened to the oldies station there and here..






> > Hopefully you've been paying attention to the drama that
> > gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My question
> for
> > Denver is: Could it happen here?
> >
> > What happened, of course, is that without warning on June
> 3,
> > the nation's pre-eminent oldies station, Infinity-owned
> > WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the beloved
> > Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New York
> > radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> > Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet did the
> > same.
> >
> > “The research has shown us that people are looking for a
> > radio station in their market with less repetition and
> more
> > variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior vice
> > president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods or
> > listening to music on your computer, people are beginning
> to
> > use media a little bit differently. In programming a radio
>
> > station, you have to take that into account.”
> >
> > More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged anonymity
> > said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad salesman
> to
> > relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
> >
> > Call the reasoning cold, call it age-discriminatory, call
> it
> > cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their side.
> >
> > * Even though radio remains more profitable than
> newspapers,
> > network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
> > advertising may total less than 2 percent this year, down
> > from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
> >
> > * Listenership and time spent listening is down. Radio’s
> > total audience dropped 4 percent over the past year to 194
>
> > million, down from 203 million, according to the NPD Group
>
> > media research company in Port Washington, N.Y. And
> Arbitron
> > says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week from 30
>
> > hours in 1993.
> >
> > * People are turning to the Web to download songs through
> > such services as iTunes and listening to Internet radio.
> >
> > * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM. In
> fact,
> > Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting
> full-page
> > ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio station
> has
> > suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> > come to Sirius.”
> >
> > Which brings us to the other side.
> >
> > * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest radio market
>
> > in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so can you
> > imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
> >
> > * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a bigger
> > pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given that,
> what
> > the heck makes the oldies format so demographically
> > undesirable -- unless it's simply that the Gen-Xers out
> > selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT to sell
>
> > it?
> >
> > OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and Kool-105.
> > INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local Infinity
> cluster
> > has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of the
> Denver
> > Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected leadership.
> >
> > A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in Denver.
> But
> > still -- could a format change be in the offing for KXKL?
> > Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and the
> rest
> > -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
> >
> > Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent top-10
> oldies
> > format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it? Should
> it?
> > And if it happened, would it be good business, or simply
> one
> > generation failing to relate to another?
> >
> > And is there another solution?
> >
> > What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a profitable
> and
> > influential segment of the audience and has created an
> > enormous groundswell of bad will in New York -- including
> a
> > blistering attack from New York's senior U.S. senator,
> > Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done much to
> fuel
> > the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite. Definitely a
>
> > Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
> >
> > But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday, so I'm
> as
> > biased as anybody.
> >
> > What do YOU think?
> >
>
 
Well, if people are clamoring for more variety, but there's still a market for "oldies", the solution seems obvious. Stay in the "oldies" period, but ape the Jack format. Keep your core of 200 tried-and-tested oldies ("Happy Together") and build on that. Add big hits of the 60s (and early 70s, if you wnat to do so) that weren't being played on oldies radio. "You Better Sit Down Kids" by Cher. Gladys Knight's version of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine". Things like that. Or is this solution too obvious?

DK
 
> Well, if people are clamoring for more variety, but there's
> still a market for "oldies", the solution seems obvious.
> Stay in the "oldies" period, but ape the Jack format. Keep
> your core of 200 tried-and-tested oldies ("Happy Together")
> and build on that. Add big hits of the 60s (and early 70s,
> if you wnat to do so) that weren't being played on oldies
> radio. "You Better Sit Down Kids" by Cher. Gladys Knight's
> version of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine". Things like
> that. Or is this solution too obvious?
>
> DK
>
I totally agree, Don. Get some of those tracks in there that pepole can "rediscover". I would also carry on the trend of stripping away the sockhopper fifties and let those songs spin off on their own formatts. As a D.J. myself, my big dream is someday going to some market that is in desperate need of an oldies station and starting up an AM/FM combo there. The AM side would have all the sock hop and doo-wop "moldy jams", and the FM would be all-stereo 60's and 70's.
 
KXKL

EARTH TO DENVER: you already have a JACK station. KXKL is healthy, so why
would you think they'd change format? (and, please, no mention of the words
corporate, suite, consultants or cheap-thanks).

> Hopefully you've been paying attention to the drama that
> gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My question for
> Denver is: Could it happen here?
>
> What happened, of course, is that without warning on June 3,
> the nation's pre-eminent oldies station, Infinity-owned
> WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the beloved
> Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New York
> radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet did the
> same.
>
> “The research has shown us that people are looking for a
> radio station in their market with less repetition and more
> variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior vice
> president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods or
> listening to music on your computer, people are beginning to
> use media a little bit differently. In programming a radio
> station, you have to take that into account.”
>
> More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged anonymity
> said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad salesman to
> relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
>
> Call the reasoning cold, call it age-discriminatory, call it
> cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their side.
>
> * Even though radio remains more profitable than newspapers,
> network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
> advertising may total less than 2 percent this year, down
> from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
>
> * Listenership and time spent listening is down. Radio’s
> total audience dropped 4 percent over the past year to 194
> million, down from 203 million, according to the NPD Group
> media research company in Port Washington, N.Y. And Arbitron
> says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week from 30
> hours in 1993.
>
> * People are turning to the Web to download songs through
> such services as iTunes and listening to Internet radio.
>
> * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM. In fact,
> Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting full-page
> ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio station has
> suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> come to Sirius.”
>
> Which brings us to the other side.
>
> * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest radio market
> in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so can you
> imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
>
> * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a bigger
> pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given that, what
> the heck makes the oldies format so demographically
> undesirable -- unless it's simply that the Gen-Xers out
> selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT to sell
> it?
>
> OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and Kool-105.
> INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local Infinity cluster
> has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of the Denver
> Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected leadership.
>
> A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in Denver. But
> still -- could a format change be in the offing for KXKL?
> Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and the rest
> -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
>
> Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent top-10 oldies
> format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it? Should it?
> And if it happened, would it be good business, or simply one
> generation failing to relate to another?
>
> And is there another solution?
>
> What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a profitable and
> influential segment of the audience and has created an
> enormous groundswell of bad will in New York -- including a
> blistering attack from New York's senior U.S. senator,
> Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done much to fuel
> the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite. Definitely a
> Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
>
> But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday, so I'm as
> biased as anybody.
>
> What do YOU think?
>
 
> > Well, if people are clamoring for more variety, but
> there's
> > still a market for "oldies", the solution seems obvious.
> > Stay in the "oldies" period, but ape the Jack format.
> Keep
> > your core of 200 tried-and-tested oldies ("Happy
> Together")
> > and build on that. Add big hits of the 60s (and early
> 70s,
> > if you wnat to do so) that weren't being played on oldies
> > radio. "You Better Sit Down Kids" by Cher. Gladys
> Knight's
> > version of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine". Things
> like
> > that. Or is this solution too obvious?
> >
> > DK
> >
> I totally agree, Don. Get some of those tracks in there that
> pepole can "rediscover". I would also carry on the trend of
> stripping away the sockhopper fifties and let those songs
> spin off on their own formatts. As a D.J. myself, my big
> dream is someday going to some market that is in desperate
> need of an oldies station and starting up an AM/FM combo
> there. The AM side would have all the sock hop and doo-wop
> "moldy jams", and the FM would be all-stereo 60's and 70's.
>

You know that is a wonderful idea to do, and I wish you all the luck in the world on doing that! There hasn't been any TRUE Locally owened station that has been started up by a regualar Joe at all.. So I wish you all the best of luck and hopefully no major corp would come to you and buy up your newly started station.
I also wish you luck on getting the cash for suck an adventure.. and getting approved from the FCC as well. :) Hey yo ucan always start up an Internet Radio Station to being with! Those are always great to start! ;)
 
Re: Could it happen to KXKL-Just need backers

> > > Well, if people are clamoring for more variety, but
> > there's
> > > still a market for "oldies", the solution seems obvious.
>
> > > Stay in the "oldies" period, but ape the Jack format.
> > Keep
> > > your core of 200 tried-and-tested oldies ("Happy
> > Together")
> > > and build on that. Add big hits of the 60s (and early
> > 70s,
> > > if you wnat to do so) that weren't being played on
> oldies
> > > radio. "You Better Sit Down Kids" by Cher. Gladys
> > Knight's
> > > version of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine". Things
> > like
> > > that. Or is this solution too obvious?
> > >
> > > DK
> > >
> > I totally agree, Don. Get some of those tracks in there
> that
> > pepole can "rediscover". I would also carry on the trend
> of
> > stripping away the sockhopper fifties and let those songs
> > spin off on their own formatts. As a D.J. myself, my big
> > dream is someday going to some market that is in desperate
>
> > need of an oldies station and starting up an AM/FM combo
> > there. The AM side would have all the sock hop and doo-wop
>
> > "moldy jams", and the FM would be all-stereo 60's and
> 70's.
> >
>
> You know that is a wonderful idea to do, and I wish you all
> the luck in the world on doing that! There hasn't been any
> TRUE Locally owened station that has been started up by a
> regualar Joe at all.. So I wish you all the best of luck and
> hopefully no major corp would come to you and buy up your
> newly started station.
> I also wish you luck on getting the cash for suck an
> adventure.. and getting approved from the FCC as well. :)
> Hey yo ucan always start up an Internet Radio Station to
> being with! Those are always great to start! ;)
>
Or some winning lottery tickets...As my bank account sits right now, I wouldn't even have enough dough for the upfront ASCAP/BMI fees!
 
Re: Could it happen to KXKL-Just need backers

> Or some winning lottery tickets...As my bank account sits
> right now, I wouldn't even have enough dough for the upfront
> ASCAP/BMI fees!
>
There ya go! Or you can try to be the very first person to win the POwER BALL in Colorado! :) heee
Or maybe you can save up enough money to buy out Pirate Radio 104.7 FM in Greeley! There ya go!
yes that is the offical name to the station.. Good luck either which way..
Or if you dont mind waiting you can always file for an LP station and hopefully you can find a spot on the FM dial.
 
Re: KXKL

> EARTH TO DENVER: you already have a JACK station. KXKL is
> healthy, so why
> would you think they'd change format? (and, please, no
> mention of the words
> corporate, suite, consultants or cheap-thanks).
Sorry Cat, but Denver could do a lot better than "Kool 105". Although a little better in recent times, their play list is "Kool Aid" compared to other oldies stations elsewhere like KSPZ or KRRR. It's sad that KXKL is in the biggest market on the front range but also has the most limited library in its formatt.
>
> > Hopefully you've been paying attention to the drama that
> > gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My question
> for
> > Denver is: Could it happen here?
> >
> > What happened, of course, is that without warning on June
> 3,
> > the nation's pre-eminent oldies station, Infinity-owned
> > WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the beloved
> > Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New York
> > radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> > Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet did the
> > same.
> >
> > “The research has shown us that people are looking for a
> > radio station in their market with less repetition and
> more
> > variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior vice
> > president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods or
> > listening to music on your computer, people are beginning
> to
> > use media a little bit differently. In programming a radio
>
> > station, you have to take that into account.”
> >
> > More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged anonymity
> > said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad salesman
> to
> > relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
> >
> > Call the reasoning cold, call it age-discriminatory, call
> it
> > cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their side.
> >
> > * Even though radio remains more profitable than
> newspapers,
> > network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
> > advertising may total less than 2 percent this year, down
> > from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
> >
> > * Listenership and time spent listening is down. Radio’s
> > total audience dropped 4 percent over the past year to 194
>
> > million, down from 203 million, according to the NPD Group
>
> > media research company in Port Washington, N.Y. And
> Arbitron
> > says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week from 30
>
> > hours in 1993.
> >
> > * People are turning to the Web to download songs through
> > such services as iTunes and listening to Internet radio.
> >
> > * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM. In
> fact,
> > Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting
> full-page
> > ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio station
> has
> > suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> > come to Sirius.”
> >
> > Which brings us to the other side.
> >
> > * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest radio market
>
> > in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so can you
> > imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
> >
> > * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a bigger
> > pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given that,
> what
> > the heck makes the oldies format so demographically
> > undesirable -- unless it's simply that the Gen-Xers out
> > selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT to sell
>
> > it?
> >
> > OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and Kool-105.
> > INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local Infinity
> cluster
> > has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of the
> Denver
> > Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected leadership.
> >
> > A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in Denver.
> But
> > still -- could a format change be in the offing for KXKL?
> > Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and the
> rest
> > -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
> >
> > Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent top-10
> oldies
> > format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it? Should
> it?
> > And if it happened, would it be good business, or simply
> one
> > generation failing to relate to another?
> >
> > And is there another solution?
> >
> > What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a profitable
> and
> > influential segment of the audience and has created an
> > enormous groundswell of bad will in New York -- including
> a
> > blistering attack from New York's senior U.S. senator,
> > Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done much to
> fuel
> > the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite. Definitely a
>
> > Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
> >
> > But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday, so I'm
> as
> > biased as anybody.
> >
> > What do YOU think?
> >
>
 
Re: Could it happen to KXKL-Just need backers

> > Or some winning lottery tickets...As my bank account sits
> > right now, I wouldn't even have enough dough for the
> upfront
> > ASCAP/BMI fees!
> >
> There ya go! Or you can try to be the very first person to
> win the POwER BALL in Colorado! :) heee
> Or maybe you can save up enough money to buy out Pirate
> Radio 104.7 FM in Greeley! There ya go!
> yes that is the offical name to the station.. Good luck
> either which way..
> Or if you dont mind waiting you can always file for an LP
> station and hopefully you can find a spot on the FM dial.
>
I diden't know Greeley was in need of an oldies signal? In my travels up/down 85, KARS 102.9 always comes in nice and strong...I could imagine 104.7 possibly locally affecting 105.1, however. As I remember, their "Pirate" variety was way more diverse than "Jack".
 
U missed the point

I'm not pitching them as the greatest sounding Oldies station. My point is that their numbers are solid and they're making money-- AND you already have a JACK station in Denver. The question asked about Infinity dropping Oldies in Denver and that just doesn't make sense they would the same way they did at CBS-FM or in Chicago.

> Sorry Cat, but Denver could do a lot better than "Kool 105".
> Although a little better in recent times, their play list is
> "Kool Aid" compared to other oldies stations elsewhere like
> KSPZ or KRRR. It's sad that KXKL is in the biggest market on
> the front range but also has the most limited library in its
> formatt.
> >
> > > EARTH TO DENVER: you already have a JACK station. KXKL
> is healthy, so why would you think they'd change format? (and, please, no
> > mention of the words corporate, suite, consultants or cheap-thanks)> > Hopefully you've been paying attention to the drama that
> > > gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My question for
> > > Denver is: Could it happen here?
> > >
> > > What happened, of course, is that without warning on
> June
> > 3,
> > > the nation's pre-eminent oldies station, Infinity-owned
> > > WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the
> beloved
> > > Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New York
> > > radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> > > Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet did the
>
> > > same.
> > >
> > > “The research has shown us that people are looking for a
>
> > > radio station in their market with less repetition and
> > more
> > > variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior vice
> > > president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods or
> > > listening to music on your computer, people are
> beginning
> > to
> > > use media a little bit differently. In programming a
> radio
> >
> > > station, you have to take that into account.”
> > >
> > > More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged anonymity
>
> > > said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad
> salesman
> > to
> > > relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
> > >
> > > Call the reasoning cold, call it age-discriminatory,
> call
> > it
> > > cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their side.
> > >
> > > * Even though radio remains more profitable than
> > newspapers,
> > > network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
> > > advertising may total less than 2 percent this year,
> down
> > > from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
> > >
> > > * Listenership and time spent listening is down. Radio’s
>
> > > total audience dropped 4 percent over the past year to
> 194
> >
> > > million, down from 203 million, according to the NPD
> Group
> >
> > > media research company in Port Washington, N.Y. And
> > Arbitron
> > > says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week from
> 30
> >
> > > hours in 1993.
> > >
> > > * People are turning to the Web to download songs
> through
> > > such services as iTunes and listening to Internet radio.
>
> > >
> > > * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM. In
> > fact,
> > > Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting
> > full-page
> > > ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio station
>
> > has
> > > suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> > > come to Sirius.”
> > >
> > > Which brings us to the other side.
> > >
> > > * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest radio
> market
> >
> > > in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so can you
>
> > > imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
> > >
> > > * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a bigger
>
> > > pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given that,
> > what
> > > the heck makes the oldies format so demographically
> > > undesirable -- unless it's simply that the Gen-Xers out
> > > selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT to
> sell
> >
> > > it?
> > >
> > > OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and Kool-105.
> > > INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local Infinity
> > cluster
> > > has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of the
> > Denver
> > > Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected leadership.
> > >
> > > A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in Denver.
>
> > But
> > > still -- could a format change be in the offing for
> KXKL?
> > > Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and the
> > rest
> > > -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
> > >
> > > Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent top-10
> > oldies
> > > format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it? Should
>
> > it?
> > > And if it happened, would it be good business, or simply
>
> > one
> > > generation failing to relate to another?
> > >
> > > And is there another solution?
> > >
> > > What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a profitable
>
> > and
> > > influential segment of the audience and has created an
> > > enormous groundswell of bad will in New York --
> including
> > a
> > > blistering attack from New York's senior U.S. senator,
> > > Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done much to
> > fuel
> > > the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite. Definitely
> a
> >
> > > Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
> > >
> > > But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday, so
> I'm
> > as
> > > biased as anybody.
> > >
> > > What do YOU think?
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: U missed the point-The pointe is...

> I'm not pitching them as the greatest sounding Oldies
> station. My point is that their numbers are solid and
> they're making money-- AND you already have a JACK station
> in Denver. The question asked about Infinity dropping
> Oldies in Denver and that just doesn't make sense they would
> the same way they did at CBS-FM or in Chicago.
>
The Denver market is expecting several FM move-ins by the end of the year. One is already testing with an "oldies-type" formatt. I sincerely doubt that KXKL has the formatt stronghold on this market like KRRR does in Cheyenne or KSPZ in the Springs. I believe that the right "collector-oriented" oldies formatt could uproot Kool 105 just by offering more deep cuts. It's definatly better odds than trying to sway country listeners off KYGO.
> > Sorry Cat, but Denver could do a lot better than "Kool
> 105".
> > Although a little better in recent times, their play list
> is
> > "Kool Aid" compared to other oldies stations elsewhere
> like
> > KSPZ or KRRR. It's sad that KXKL is in the biggest market
> on
> > the front range but also has the most limited library in
> its
> > formatt.
> > >
> > > > EARTH TO DENVER: you already have a JACK station.
> KXKL
> > is healthy, so why would you think they'd change format?
> (and, please, no
> > > mention of the words corporate, suite, consultants or
> cheap-thanks)> > Hopefully you've been paying attention to
> the drama that
> > > > gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My
> question for
> > > > Denver is: Could it happen here?
> > > >
> > > > What happened, of course, is that without warning on
> > June
> > > 3,
> > > > the nation's pre-eminent oldies station,
> Infinity-owned
> > > > WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the
> > beloved
> > > > Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New
> York
> > > > radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> > > > Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet did
> the
> >
> > > > same.
> > > >
> > > > “The research has shown us that people are looking for
> a
> >
> > > > radio station in their market with less repetition and
>
> > > more
> > > > variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior vice
> > > > president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods or
> > > > listening to music on your computer, people are
> > beginning
> > > to
> > > > use media a little bit differently. In programming a
> > radio
> > >
> > > > station, you have to take that into account.”
> > > >
> > > > More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged
> anonymity
> >
> > > > said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad
> > salesman
> > > to
> > > > relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
> > > >
> > > > Call the reasoning cold, call it age-discriminatory,
> > call
> > > it
> > > > cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their side.
>
> > > >
> > > > * Even though radio remains more profitable than
> > > newspapers,
> > > > network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
> > > > advertising may total less than 2 percent this year,
> > down
> > > > from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
> > > >
> > > > * Listenership and time spent listening is down.
> Radio’s
> >
> > > > total audience dropped 4 percent over the past year to
>
> > 194
> > >
> > > > million, down from 203 million, according to the NPD
> > Group
> > >
> > > > media research company in Port Washington, N.Y. And
> > > Arbitron
> > > > says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week
> from
> > 30
> > >
> > > > hours in 1993.
> > > >
> > > > * People are turning to the Web to download songs
> > through
> > > > such services as iTunes and listening to Internet
> radio.
> >
> > > >
> > > > * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM. In
> > > fact,
> > > > Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting
> > > full-page
> > > > ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio
> station
> >
> > > has
> > > > suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> > > > come to Sirius.”
> > > >
> > > > Which brings us to the other side.
> > > >
> > > > * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest radio
> > market
> > >
> > > > in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so can
> you
> >
> > > > imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
> > > >
> > > > * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a
> bigger
> >
> > > > pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given
> that,
> > > what
> > > > the heck makes the oldies format so demographically
> > > > undesirable -- unless it's simply that the Gen-Xers
> out
> > > > selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT to
> > sell
> > >
> > > > it?
> > > >
> > > > OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and Kool-105.
> > > > INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local Infinity
> > > cluster
> > > > has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of the
> > > Denver
> > > > Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected leadership.
> > > >
> > > > A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in
> Denver.
> >
> > > But
> > > > still -- could a format change be in the offing for
> > KXKL?
> > > > Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and the
>
> > > rest
> > > > -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
> > > >
> > > > Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent top-10
> > > oldies
> > > > format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it?
> Should
> >
> > > it?
> > > > And if it happened, would it be good business, or
> simply
> >
> > > one
> > > > generation failing to relate to another?
> > > >
> > > > And is there another solution?
> > > >
> > > > What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a
> profitable
> >
> > > and
> > > > influential segment of the audience and has created an
>
> > > > enormous groundswell of bad will in New York --
> > including
> > > a
> > > > blistering attack from New York's senior U.S. senator,
>
> > > > Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done much
> to
> > > fuel
> > > > the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite.
> Definitely
> > a
> > >
> > > > Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
> > > >
> > > > But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday, so
> > I'm
> > > as
> > > > biased as anybody.
> > > >
> > > > What do YOU think?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: U missed the point-The pointe is...

> > I'm not pitching them as the greatest sounding Oldies
> > station. My point is that their numbers are solid and
> > they're making money-- AND you already have a JACK station
>
> > in Denver. The question asked about Infinity dropping
> > Oldies in Denver and that just doesn't make sense they
> would
> > the same way they did at CBS-FM or in Chicago.
> >
> The Denver market is expecting several FM move-ins by the
> end of the year. One is already testing with an
> "oldies-type" formatt. I sincerely doubt that KXKL has the
> formatt stronghold on this market like KRRR does in Cheyenne
> or KSPZ in the Springs. I believe that the right
> "collector-oriented" oldies formatt could uproot Kool 105
> just by offering more deep cuts. It's definatly better odds
> than trying to sway country listeners off KYGO.

I agree with your take on Kool 105. I've always felt that KOOL's playlist has been woefully short on variety. And yes, KRRR (and even KOMA in OKC) has waaaay more variety. You know, when a station like KRRR plays the "The Theme From The Excorcist", or when KOMA plays the late Richard Harris' version of "MacArthur Park" (All seven minutes of it!!)----now that's what I call variety!!! And although some people may gasp to themselves and/or laugh out-loud and say that "MacArthur Park" is one of the worst songs ever recorded, that, to me, is not the point! The point is: VARIETY!!! And let's face it, you'll never hear songs like that on KOOL 105!! And for those KOOL fans who say that KOOL's numbers are consistently good and that obviously someone is listening to KOOL 105 on a daily basis, I say this......Numbers can be misleading sometimes. As far as oldies go, KOOL is the only horse in town. And as such, if you're an oldies person, you're gonna listen to KOOL 105 because there isn't anywhere else to turn to!! What I can't stand about KOOL is they play a Beatles tune every 30 minutes or so. And to make matters worse, it's usually the same half-dozen or so Beatles songs!!! Now I realize that the Beatles are the biggest thing to ever happen to the music scene as we know it, but come on!! Must they play a Beatles tune every 30 minutes or so?????!!!!! I mean, GEEZ! Give me a break!! If my memory serves me correctly, I pretty sure that there were plenty of other singers and groups that made the 1960's and 1970's what they were, musically-speaking. And like I said, they play the same 6 or 7 Beatles tunes!! And if they stray from that list of 6 or 7 Beatles tunes they always play, it's because someone called up the station and made a Beatles request for a Beatles tune that they hadn't heard in a while, like "Norwegian Wood" or whatever. Now I ask you, how many Top 40 hits did the Beatles have, anyway??!! Over 30???!!! Close to 40???!!! Once again...GEEZ!!! I'm sick of hearing "Love Me Do" and "She Loves You" and "Hard Day's Night" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again!!!!! Aren't you??!!!

KOOL 105 is a joke! I'm so disgusted with that station! It's not the way I would operate an oldies station!! Which leads me to my $64 question for you, strapshoe......Where do you work? Is your station hiring right now? It sounds to me like you and I are on the same page, brother! I like that! Great minds think alike! Anyway, if you ever find yourself at a station that wants to go oldies, and you're in charge of making it happen, give me a shout! I'll work for you!---Any day!


> > > Sorry Cat, but Denver could do a lot better than "Kool
> > 105".
> > > Although a little better in recent times, their play
> list
> > is
> > > "Kool Aid" compared to other oldies stations elsewhere
> > like
> > > KSPZ or KRRR. It's sad that KXKL is in the biggest
> market
> > on
> > > the front range but also has the most limited library in
>
> > its
> > > formatt.
> > > >
> > > > > EARTH TO DENVER: you already have a JACK station.
> > KXKL
> > > is healthy, so why would you think they'd change format?
>
> > (and, please, no
> > > > mention of the words corporate, suite, consultants or
> > cheap-thanks)> > Hopefully you've been paying attention to
>
> > the drama that
> > > > > gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My
> > question for
> > > > > Denver is: Could it happen here?
> > > > >
> > > > > What happened, of course, is that without warning on
>
> > > June
> > > > 3,
> > > > > the nation's pre-eminent oldies station,
> > Infinity-owned
> > > > > WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the
> > > beloved
> > > > > Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New
> > York
> > > > > radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> > > > > Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet did
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > > same.
> > > > >
> > > > > “The research has shown us that people are looking
> for
> > a
> > >
> > > > > radio station in their market with less repetition
> and
> >
> > > > more
> > > > > variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior vice
>
> > > > > president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods or
>
> > > > > listening to music on your computer, people are
> > > beginning
> > > > to
> > > > > use media a little bit differently. In programming a
>
> > > radio
> > > >
> > > > > station, you have to take that into account.”
> > > > >
> > > > > More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged
> > anonymity
> > >
> > > > > said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad
> > > salesman
> > > > to
> > > > > relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Call the reasoning cold, call it age-discriminatory,
>
> > > call
> > > > it
> > > > > cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their
> side.
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > * Even though radio remains more profitable than
> > > > newspapers,
> > > > > network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
> > > > > advertising may total less than 2 percent this year,
>
> > > down
> > > > > from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > * Listenership and time spent listening is down.
> > Radio’s
> > >
> > > > > total audience dropped 4 percent over the past year
> to
> >
> > > 194
> > > >
> > > > > million, down from 203 million, according to the NPD
>
> > > Group
> > > >
> > > > > media research company in Port Washington, N.Y. And
> > > > Arbitron
> > > > > says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week
> > from
> > > 30
> > > >
> > > > > hours in 1993.
> > > > >
> > > > > * People are turning to the Web to download songs
> > > through
> > > > > such services as iTunes and listening to Internet
> > radio.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM.
> In
> > > > fact,
> > > > > Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting
> > > > full-page
> > > > > ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio
> > station
> > >
> > > > has
> > > > > suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> > > > > come to Sirius.”
> > > > >
> > > > > Which brings us to the other side.
> > > > >
> > > > > * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest radio
> > > market
> > > >
> > > > > in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so can
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > > imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
> > > > >
> > > > > * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a
> > bigger
> > >
> > > > > pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given
> > that,
> > > > what
> > > > > the heck makes the oldies format so demographically
> > > > > undesirable -- unless it's simply that the Gen-Xers
> > out
> > > > > selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT
> to
> > > sell
> > > >
> > > > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and Kool-105.
>
> > > > > INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local Infinity
>
> > > > cluster
> > > > > has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of the
>
> > > > Denver
> > > > > Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected
> leadership.
> > > > >
> > > > > A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in
> > Denver.
> > >
> > > > But
> > > > > still -- could a format change be in the offing for
> > > KXKL?
> > > > > Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and
> the
> >
> > > > rest
> > > > > -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
> > > > >
> > > > > Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent
> top-10
> > > > oldies
> > > > > format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it?
> > Should
> > >
> > > > it?
> > > > > And if it happened, would it be good business, or
> > simply
> > >
> > > > one
> > > > > generation failing to relate to another?
> > > > >
> > > > > And is there another solution?
> > > > >
> > > > > What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a
> > profitable
> > >
> > > > and
> > > > > influential segment of the audience and has created
> an
> >
> > > > > enormous groundswell of bad will in New York --
> > > including
> > > > a
> > > > > blistering attack from New York's senior U.S.
> senator,
> >
> > > > > Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done much
>
> > to
> > > > fuel
> > > > > the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite.
> > Definitely
> > > a
> > > >
> > > > > Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
> > > > >
> > > > > But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday,
> so
> > > I'm
> > > > as
> > > > > biased as anybody.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do YOU think?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
you're not getting it, I'm afraid

Move-ins notwithstanding, the problem these days is stations PICKING UP
the Oldies format, much less having 2 in one market. KXKL is adequately
solid in Denver to prevent another signal from even attepting a challenge,
much less a "collector-oriented" format-- that has never worked anywhere.
It's not that a deeper library wouldn't be appealing-- it sure would be. However, with Oldies stations dropping like flies all over the country, nobody would take the "risk" of putting one on until/unless KXKL changed formats, which they're not about to do. On top of that, in markets where Oldies HAVE been dropped, very few have been replaced. You're in an uphill battle, man.

The reason Oldies stations in the other markets show so well is they have
fewer stations to compete against for listeners (and KSPZ has been VERY inconsistent in c-springs the past year or so).

> >
> The Denver market is expecting several FM move-ins by the
> end of the year. One is already testing with an
> "oldies-type" formatt. I sincerely doubt that KXKL has the
> formatt stronghold on this market like KRRR does in Cheyenne
> or KSPZ in the Springs. I believe that the right
> "collector-oriented" oldies formatt could uproot Kool 105
> just by offering more deep cuts. It's definatly better odds
> than trying to sway country listeners off KYGO.
 
numbers can be misleading?

Well, boyz, they're consistently highly rated in Denver. You can nit-pick all you want but they are a consistently successful and profitable radio station.

You critics are laughable--statements like "numbers can be misleading" are folly. How do you think radio station successis measured? NUMBERS! Ratings and sales. It's how the real world (not the radio geek world) works.

BTW= what successful radio stations have you ever programmed?

>
> I agree with your take on Kool 105. I've always felt that
> KOOL's playlist has been woefully short on variety. And yes,
> KRRR (and even KOMA in OKC) has waaaay more variety. You
> know, when a station like KRRR plays the "The Theme From The
> Excorcist", or when KOMA plays the late Richard Harris'
> version of "MacArthur Park" (All seven minutes of
> it!!)----now that's what I call variety!!! And although some
> people may gasp to themselves and/or laugh out-loud and say
> that "MacArthur Park" is one of the worst songs ever
> recorded, that, to me, is not the point! The point is:
> VARIETY!!! And let's face it, you'll never hear songs like
> that on KOOL 105!! And for those KOOL fans who say that
> KOOL's numbers are consistently good and that obviously
> someone is listening to KOOL 105 on a daily basis, I say
> this......Numbers can be misleading sometimes. As far as
> oldies go, KOOL is the only horse in town. And as such, if
> you're an oldies person, you're gonna listen to KOOL 105
> because there isn't anywhere else to turn to!! What I can't
> stand about KOOL is they play a Beatles tune every 30
> minutes or so. And to make matters worse, it's usually the
> same half-dozen or so Beatles songs!!! Now I realize that
> the Beatles are the biggest thing to ever happen to music as
> we know it, but come on!! Must they play a Beatles tune
> every 30 minutes or so?????!!!!! I mean, GEEZ! Give me a
> break!! And like I said, they play the same 6 or 7 Beatles
> tunes!! Now I ask you, how many Top 40 hits did the Beatles
> have, anyway??!! About 30???!!! (Give or take.) Once
> again...GEEZ!!! I'm sick of hearing "Love Me Do" and "She
> Loves You" and "Hard Day's Night" over and over and over and
> over and over and over and over and over and over and over
> and over and over and over again!!!!! Aren't you??!!!
>
> KOOL 105 is a joke! I'm so disgusted with that station! It's
> not the way I would operate an oldies station!! Which leads
> me to my $64 question for you, strapshoe......Where do you
> work? Is your station hiring right now? It sounds to me like
> you and I are on the same page, brother! I like that! Great
> minds think alike! Anyway, if you ever find yourself at a
> station that wants to go oldies, and you're in charge of
> making it happen, give me a shout! I'll work for you!---Any
> day!
 
Re: numbers can be misleading?

> Well, boyz, they're consistently highly rated in Denver.
> You can nit-pick all you want but they are a consistently
> successful and profitable radio station.
>
> You critics are laughable--statements like "numbers can be
> misleading" are folly. How do you think radio station
> successis measured? NUMBERS! Ratings and sales. It's how
> the real world (not the radio geek world) works.
>
> BTW= what successful radio stations have you ever
> programmed?
>
> >
As I said, oldiescat, when you're the only horse in town, you can serve up whatever you want...and your customers have no choice but to take from you, or simply go without.--And that's true in any line of business.

If you're an oldies fan, and you live in the Denver-Boulder area, KOOL 105 (such that it is) is better than nothing. So their numbers are, in fact, somewhat misleading! I listen to KOOL 105 from time to time, but I do have "issues" with that station. That station annoys me! If I could, I'd listen to another oldies station (with more variety)!! I'm an oldies fan, so I'm stuck listening to KOOL 105!



> > I agree with your take on Kool 105. I've always felt that
> > KOOL's playlist has been woefully short on variety. And
> yes,
> > KRRR (and even KOMA in OKC) has waaaay more variety. You
> > know, when a station like KRRR plays the "The Theme From
> The
> > Excorcist", or when KOMA plays the late Richard Harris'
> > version of "MacArthur Park" (All seven minutes of
> > it!!)----now that's what I call variety!!! And although
> some
> > people may gasp to themselves and/or laugh out-loud and
> say
> > that "MacArthur Park" is one of the worst songs ever
> > recorded, that, to me, is not the point! The point is:
> > VARIETY!!! And let's face it, you'll never hear songs like
>
> > that on KOOL 105!! And for those KOOL fans who say that
> > KOOL's numbers are consistently good and that obviously
> > someone is listening to KOOL 105 on a daily basis, I say
> > this......Numbers can be misleading sometimes. As far as
> > oldies go, KOOL is the only horse in town. And as such, if
>
> > you're an oldies person, you're gonna listen to KOOL 105
> > because there isn't anywhere else to turn to!! What I
> can't
> > stand about KOOL is they play a Beatles tune every 30
> > minutes or so. And to make matters worse, it's usually the
>
> > same half-dozen or so Beatles songs!!! Now I realize that
> > the Beatles are the biggest thing to ever happen to music
> as
> > we know it, but come on!! Must they play a Beatles tune
> > every 30 minutes or so?????!!!!! I mean, GEEZ! Give me a
> > break!! And like I said, they play the same 6 or 7 Beatles
>
> > tunes!! Now I ask you, how many Top 40 hits did the
> Beatles
> > have, anyway??!! About 30???!!! (Give or take.) Once
> > again...GEEZ!!! I'm sick of hearing "Love Me Do" and "She
> > Loves You" and "Hard Day's Night" over and over and over
> and
> > over and over and over and over and over and over and over
>
> > and over and over and over again!!!!! Aren't you??!!!
> >
> > KOOL 105 is a joke! I'm so disgusted with that station!
> It's
> > not the way I would operate an oldies station!! Which
> leads
> > me to my $64 question for you, strapshoe......Where do you
>
> > work? Is your station hiring right now? It sounds to me
> like
> > you and I are on the same page, brother! I like that!
> Great
> > minds think alike! Anyway, if you ever find yourself at a
> > station that wants to go oldies, and you're in charge of
> > making it happen, give me a shout! I'll work for
> you!---Any
> > day!
>
 
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