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Could Party 105/87.7 get translators in New Jersey?
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Scott Fybush said:
Speaking of, does anyone know what's on Channel 6 video now? Anything? I'm too far for that.
Scott Fybush said:
But 105.3 can, can't they? ;D
Nick, think BIGGER COVERAGE in this scenario...
Back in the mid 90s WDRE 92.7, as a Modern Rock station, started a network of stations all relaying its signal from Long Island. Markets included Philadelphia, Albany, and a few others. Toronto's Energy 108 at one point relayed its signal to several other markets in Ontario. Over in Quebec you have the Energy network all over the province.
In Europe you've got Dance stations like Radio FG, which can be heard all over France, Galaxy Radio and Kiss in various partrs of the UK, M2O all over Italy, or Maxima FM in various partrs of Spain.
There's also NPR radio and several Christian stations (like Way FM) that have stations all over the country.
Well, I say why not do the same with the new Party. There's a reason why Party 105.3 will now simply be known as Party FM - it's significanty expanding its coverage, reach, and cume with 87.7 FM. Perhaps the next logical move is to find a good signal for northern Jersey, as well as Manhattan, or to expand to other cities. We all know Pulse wanted to air in markets like DC, Chicago, and L.A.
Many of us would love to see a big network for a good Top 40/Dance station programmed by knowledgeable radio people who can tap into both the midset of commercial radio, and into whats hot in clubland. The major cities in FL, TX, Cali, the entire megalopolis region (ie Bo-Wash), the major cities of the Great Lakes, and a few other markets (like Atlanta, Phoenix, Denver) where there would be an audience for this type of station can all become part of the network.
While some Dance records work particularly well in one region, I think fans of commercial Dance music will support a Dance heavy CHR station that targets the entire country. They're already doing so with satellite radio's BPM, as well as with a good amount of internet-only stations.
Tony, what do you think?
Back in the mid 90s WDRE 92.7, as a Modern Rock station, started a network of stations all relaying its signal from Long Island. Markets included Philadelphia, Albany, and a few others. Toronto's Energy 108 at one point relayed its signal to several other markets in Ontario. Over in Quebec you have the Energy network all over the province.
In Europe you've got Dance stations like Radio FG, which can be heard all over France, Galaxy Radio and Kiss in various partrs of the UK, M2O all over Italy, or Maxima FM in various partrs of Spain.
There's also NPR radio and several Christian stations (like Way FM) that have stations all over the country.
Well, I say why not do the same with the new Party. There's a reason why Party 105.3 will now simply be known as Party FM - it's significanty expanding its coverage, reach, and cume with 87.7 FM. Perhaps the next logical move is to find a good signal for northern Jersey, as well as Manhattan, or to expand to other cities. We all know Pulse wanted to air in markets like DC, Chicago, and L.A.
Many of us would love to see a big network for a good Top 40/Dance station programmed by knowledgeable radio people who can tap into both the midset of commercial radio, and into whats hot in clubland. The major cities in FL, TX, Cali, the entire megalopolis region (ie Bo-Wash), the major cities of the Great Lakes, and a few other markets (like Atlanta, Phoenix, Denver) where there would be an audience for this type of station can all become part of the network.
While some Dance records work particularly well in one region, I think fans of commercial Dance music will support a Dance heavy CHR station that targets the entire country. They're already doing so with satellite radio's BPM, as well as with a good amount of internet-only stations.
Tony, what do you think?
Technically unless Party's signal can get to the translator over the air they can't. Translators are there to enhance a stations coverage in spotty coverage areas. There are a few exceptions. They can't apply for one right now because the window closed a few years back and station's like mine are still waiting to hear if they have been granted anymore frequencies.
I think everyone is jumping the gun and getting more signals for this. They are making the investment to get the 87.7 frequency and they need to promote that. Let Vic do his job, if things go well who knows what might happen.
Rome was'nt built in a day
I think everyone is jumping the gun and getting more signals for this. They are making the investment to get the 87.7 frequency and they need to promote that. Let Vic do his job, if things go well who knows what might happen.
Rome was'nt built in a day
Tony Santiago said:
They can - but the translator has to be able to receive the 105.3 signal over the air. (Or the 101.5 signal - you can daisy-chain translators.)
And if the translator goes outside 105.3's local-signal contour, it can't be owned by JVC, and JVC can't provide any assistance, financial or otherwise, in operating it. So you'd need to find someone else willing to foot the bill for the translator.
M
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I dont see why they couldnt put party all over the U.S using the radio disney idea, or even the premium choice chr, and dial global hits now method. What about stations like K-Love,,,, why is Disney, cc, npr and religious stations excempt from the rules. I know they couldnt support a dance station in Hillsville virginia or martinsville Indiana,,, but nearby bigger markets like charllotte, Indianapolis,, nashville, knoxville, Louisville, Saint Louis, columbus OHio, Detroit, norfolk and Washington dc could support a Party type station.
CHRles said:
@Scott Fybush, I always trust your engineering expertise on radio issues. Brett said it first, thanks
but I've learned a lot from Scott in that aspect. @Dancerev889 (Brett). You are right. And that's what I'm trying to tell people...GIVE THINGS TIME! I trust Vic and John in what they have to do so at this point, let's see how things will go down the road and whether they may "tweak" the format a bit to serve the dance fans (NOT SAYING TOTALLY DUMP the R&B/hip-hop, but get to the dance fans who have been used to Pulse's presentation of the format.)
@CHRles,
(you always do that when you come up with these insightful posts!)I remember Energy Radio all too well from the 90's.
It started with Energy 108 (Burlington), and then expanded all over Ontario (Woodstock, Barrie, Oshawa). Radio Energie (now NRJ)....called that one CHRles! What makes NRJ interesting is that while each station is part of the network, they all have their own local feel. (Driving along Route 12 in the North Country of NY State, I could tell the difference between the NRJ station in Ottawa - 104.1 and the one in Montreal - 94.3 - they WEREN'T playing the same music at the same time!) Maybe I am jumping the gun, but something tells me, and I have a good hunch about it, that this is what Vic and John Caracciolo may want accomplish down the road (I'm paying attention to why they went Party FM....believe me!). To have a "network" (Boston, Miami, Orlando, L.A., S.F., Chicago, etc.) of dance stations which would be all operating out of Long Island at first, but that things could be big enough where they can eventually HAVE their local feel! Who knows...that could happen to the 87.7 signal down the road as well!It's the beginning on things....so pay close attention here
. CHRles, you're definitely onto something because I feel it too!
M
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d21ofnj said:
Press Communications owns that and it was for WHTG-FM that was back in 2004.
Scott Fybush said:
Yes, and to add to that, networks such as Radio Disney, ESPN Radio, Family Radio, etc. are not "translators" but full-powered licensed stations which merely rebroadcast the network programming. In other words, 1050, 1560, 94.7/106.9 etc. are not translators (to answer an earlier question in this thread).
d21ofnj said:
Generally speaking non-commercial stations serve the community. They also have many other limitations that the commercial stations do not.
neo11 said:
That's the easy answer - but there was actually a good reason that's been lost in the mists of history.
It's important to remember what the translator service was originally designed to do. It was never intended to allow WDRE to be heard in Plainview, or WPLJ-HD2 to be heard in Poughkeepsie. It started out west in the early seventies as a way to bring FM service to small communities out west that had absolutely no FM service at all, either because they were too far from existing FM stations or shadowed by terrain. Translators were limited to very low power - 10 watts west of the Mississippi, 1 watt east - and could operate only on the noncomm band or the old class A channels (92.1, 92.7, 93.5, 94.3, 95.3, etc.) And all of them had to be fed over the air, no exceptions.
It wasn't until the late eighties that the rules started to change. Several public broadcasters out west were trying to reach rural parts of their states (think Utah or Nevada), and they persuaded the FCC that allowing noncomm stations to feed translators by microwave or satellite would bring service to areas that otherwise would never get it.
Once that rule change was passed, the abuses started pretty quickly. It never occurred to the public stations or to the FCC that anyone would want to translate an Idaho FM station on a signal in the Adirondacks - who'd care about Idaho Public Radio there, right? - but several ambitious religious broadcasters realized the door had just been opened to national expansion at very low cost, since translators don't need to have a local studio or management presence.
Since then, the rules have been loosened several times, allowing translators to run up to 250 watts and, most recently, allowing them to relay AM stations. The original intent of the translator service has been all but forgotten - it's effectively become a commercial LPFM service in all but name.
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