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Could Q106 come back?

G

Garrett

I just got word that Infinity flipped Q106's former sister station in Tampa back to Q105 today, same logo and all!

Could it happen in San Diego? Of course, it would have to be on another frequency (103.7, etc). And would it be CHR or Hot AC? The Tampa version seems to be 70's and 80's based music.

Thoughts?
 
The big difference Q105-Tampa was a legendary,
personality based station that Garry wall
destroyed by taking out the personality
elements & reacting to Power Pig. They
had the biggest share of revenue in the
market at the time. Q106 was a pretty
good station, but not legendary & may
have won the revenue battle for a year
or 2 when jeff & Jer were there. San Diego's
population likely turns over a lot faster
than Tampa, a lot of people weren't here
even 18 years ago at Q 106's peak. The only
station with that kind of juice in this
town was KCBQ, (where do you think the Q
came from in the Q106 brand?) But its too
late for them once they ***** up and sold
the Fm and then the AM to Jesus radio. KOGO
did it, after Edens screwed the pooch and
simulcasted Q106 on 600 AM for no apparent
reason. KOGO was one of few San Diego brands
that reinvented itself, but once again like
KCBQ it had 20 years plus of market dominance.
I do miss the Q106 mass appeal style, you had
to sound like a pro, no like some party DJ down
in the hood. End of rant.
 
Crusty said it best, and to the point!
 
Uh, WHY?

Crusty, can you please elaborate on your negativity towards the radio station that won 16 consecutive ratings books in the San Diego market?
 
> The big difference Q105-Tampa was a legendary,
> personality based station that Garry wall
> destroyed by taking out the personality
> elements & reacting to Power Pig. They
> had the biggest share of revenue in the
> market at the time. Q106 was a pretty
> good station, but not legendary & may
> have won the revenue battle for a year
> or 2 when jeff & Jer were there.
Q106 was THE CHR in San Diego in the late 80's and 90's. Their success came during the late 80's period. Jeff and Jer came later, and were an idea to try to bring the station back after it had lost cume to Z90. It worked for a short while. But it was Par and the Jacor sales that nailed the coffin.

San Diego's
> population likely turns over a lot faster
> than Tampa, a lot of people weren't here
> even 18 years ago at Q 106's peak.
Tampa Bay is a Navy town just like San Diego.
Not sure if the turnover is really more in one place than the other.
The only
> station with that kind of juice in this
> town was KCBQ, (where do you think the Q
> came from in the Q106 brand?)
And where is KCBQ today?

But its too
> late for them once they ***** up and sold
> the Fm and then the AM to Jesus radio. KOGO
> did it, after Edens screwed the pooch and
> simulcasted Q106 on 600 AM for no apparent
> reason.
There was a very good reason! The AM 600 signal covered the area that 106.5 could not. KIIS FM did the same thing in LA with 1150.

KOGO was one of few San Diego brands
> that reinvented itself, but once again like
> KCBQ it had 20 years plus of market dominance.
> I do miss the Q106 mass appeal style, you had
> to sound like a pro, no like some party DJ down
> in the hood.
I couldn't have said it better myself!

>
 
> (where do you think the Q
> came from in the Q106 brand?)

I always thought it came from KKBQ, WRBQ, and WRVQ - all Edens stations, all with the same logo. The only one that didn't have a Q (but the same logo) was Y-95 in Phoenix and that was because Gary was partial to the KOY call letters and didn't want to change them. I'd bet that Gary was thinking more of KKBQ than KCBQ when deciding what to do in San Diego.

I've worked at stations that have returned to heritage call letters and it wasn't as cool as you'd think. Even if you get the band back together from the glory days, the jocks change, the times change, you change.

Enjoy your memories for what they are.<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
For once I agree with Garrett

I'm interested why Crusty doesn't want to see Q106 change too.
 
> I just got word that Infinity flipped Q106's former sister
> station in Tampa back to Q105 today, same logo and all!
>
> Could it happen in San Diego? Of course, it would have to be
> on another frequency (103.7, etc). And would it be CHR or
> Hot AC? The Tampa version seems to be 70's and 80's based
> music.

First, just because Infinity is trying this in Tampa, doesn't mean it would work in San Diego.

Second, as you point out yourself, you can't recreate "Q106" itself, only the format.

Third, Infinity isn't recreating "Q105" but just resurrecting the brand for an oldies-based format.

I could go on, but I think you should be able to see that your enthusiasm has caused a colossal breach of logical thinking.

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Your use of "report this post" for this thread was wholly inappropriate, Garrett. Just because there are realists taking your enthusiastic thread into negative territory is no reason to bother the moderators about it.
{moderator mode off}
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That could will be that Edens used Q everywhere. But
i have it on good authority that back in the mid
80's the "Q" moniker showed up as a positive with
a specific demo group that were also familiar
with KCBQ. Of course where do you think KKBQ, WRBQ,
etc. came from?. It all leads back to KCBQ. Garrett,
don't report this post.


> (where do you think the Q
> > came from in the Q106 brand?)
>
> I always thought it came from KKBQ, WRBQ, and WRVQ - all
> Edens stations, all with the same logo. The only one that
> didn't have a Q (but the same logo) was Y-95 in Phoenix and
> that was because Gary was partial to the KOY call letters
> and didn't want to change them. I'd bet that Gary was
> thinking more of KKBQ than KCBQ when deciding what to do in
> San Diego.
>
> I've worked at stations that have returned to heritage call
> letters and it wasn't as cool as you'd think. Even if you
> get the band back together from the glory days, the jocks
> change, the times change, you change.
>
> Enjoy your memories for what they are.
>
 
Garrett, some good points. but I never bought the
AM CHR (covering where Q106 couldn't reach) Nobody
listened to it. CC is likely doing 12 M on that
stick, Edens didn't understand AM radio in any
of their markets. One of the reasons they didn't
last longer. To be fair in the late 80's a lot
of corporate types thought AM radio was dead.
Visionary companies like Cox, ABC, and Nobel
went against the grain and developed formats
that are now standard bearers in spoken word
radio.
 
> Of course where do you think KKBQ, WRBQ,
> etc. came from?. It all leads back to KCBQ. Garrett,
> don't report this post.

Well, KKBQ was around in the 70's (79-Q) before moving to FM. I know it picked up the calls when it was Hart-Hankes... I can't remember if Gary ever owned that one outright (Gannett had it for years) but Gary was a big cheese with Hart-Hankes, and Edens Broadcasting was made up of what Gary could buy when Hartless-Hankes got out of radio.

So it could be a riff on KKBQ, or it could be something else. But KKLQ wasn't the first Q in the chain.<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
> Garrett, some good points. but I never bought the
> AM CHR (covering where Q106 couldn't reach) Nobody
> listened to it. CC is likely doing 12 M on that
> stick, Edens didn't understand AM radio in any
> of their markets. One of the reasons they didn't
> last longer. To be fair in the late 80's a lot
> of corporate types thought AM radio was dead.
> Visionary companies like Cox, ABC, and Nobel
> went against the grain and developed formats
> that are now standard bearers in spoken word
> radio.
>

Edens did make some coin at KOY back in the day. He was in the process of transitioning it from a full service AC to a news/talk in the 80's... then the bank told him to put something cheaper on it *now* and it went satellite nostalgia the following week. I wouldn't be surprised if AM 600 met a similar fate.

Best Gary quote, while being introduced as the station owner on-air by the morning jock: "I don't own this radio station, Valley National Bank does."<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
> {moderator mode on}
> Your use of "report this post" for this thread was wholly
> inappropriate, Garrett. Just because there are realists
> taking your enthusiastic thread into negative territory is
> no reason to bother the moderators about it.
> {moderator mode off}
>

Welcome to the San Diego Board, KM.<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
> > {moderator mode on}
> > Your use of "report this post" for this thread was wholly
> > inappropriate, Garrett. Just because there are realists
> > taking your enthusiastic thread into negative territory is
>
> > no reason to bother the moderators about it.
> > {moderator mode off}
> >
>
> Welcome to the San Diego Board, KM.

So far, looks like a junior version of the Los Angeles board. Except no Glenn.
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> > station in Tampa back to Q105 today, same logo and all!

Same logo? Really? ... G-Dawg, re-think that statement.<P ID="signature">______________
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Ok.

Your point is well taken, my apologies for the trouble.

>
> > {moderator mode on}
> > > Your use of "report this post" for this thread was
> wholly
> > > inappropriate, Garrett. Just because there are realists
>
> > > taking your enthusiastic thread into negative territory
> is
> >
> > > no reason to bother the moderators about it.
> > > {moderator mode off}
> > >
> >
> > Welcome to the San Diego Board, KM.
>
> So far, looks like a junior version of the Los Angeles
> board. Except no Glenn.
>
 
> > > station in Tampa back to Q105 today, same logo and all!
>
>
> Same logo? Really? ... G-Dawg, re-think that statement.
>

The logo that they are going to use for Q105, is the same logo as the one they previously used in the late 80's and is very similar to the one that Q106 used before being sold to Par.

Forgive me for the ambiguity of my post, I hope that clears things up.
 
> Visionary companies like Cox, ABC, and Nobel
> went against the grain and developed formats
> that are now standard bearers in spoken word
> radio.

The visionary company was Jacor, and the chief visionary there was randy Michals. All the others essentially imitated what they did. Despite one or two heritage stations, like KGO or WSB, these folks had a bunch of not too hot AMs well into the 90's... in fact, ABC lost it at KABC, and could not make WAZBC and WLS perform until recently. Noble, if I recall, had nothing stellar on AM in that time frame, either.
 
David you're wrong on all counts. First, the visionary N-T Company
was Cox not Jacor (certainly not CC). Essentialy KFI reinvented
the News Talk format. KFI was imitated across the country. Hell,
Dr Laura, & Phil Hendrie were local talents at one time. KFI's
news department is often cited as the very best in the business.
Way before anyone outside of Tampa really paid any attention to
Jacor, KFI reimaged itself with a more baby boomer relevant talk
attiude that yes killed KABC. More importantly they were imitated
nearly everywhere. All Gabe Hobbs did was throw the same mix at
every CC/Jacor N/T station. WSB Atlanta was also one of the most
influential N/T's in the Country. CC/Jacor became influential by
acquiring properties David, not by innovation. Someone in the business as long as you should recognize the difference!

Noble did an exceptionial job with Sportsradio. John Lynch had
the patience to develop XTRA Sports into one of the best sports
stations in the country. Unlike the mess they are now. XTRA
was a major player in San Diego, which billed extremly well. It
launched the national careers of talent as varied as Jim Rome
& Jeannie Zelasko. The original "Loose Cannons" Chet Forte &
Steve Hartman became the template for many "buddy shows across
the country. Once Jacor took over the first thing that happened
was XTRA lost the Chargers PBP contract, do the inepitude of
the Jacor management.

ABC was on my list, not for KABC-but for WABC which has led with
talent like Rush and Hannity (first on a local basis in NY). KGO
and KSFO are a huge 1-2 punch in San Francisico. WLS is a monster in
Chicago, and ESPN Radio has been a good brand extension.




> > Visionary companies like Cox, ABC, and Nobel
> > went against the grain and developed formats
> > that are now standard bearers in spoken word
> > radio.
>
> The visionary company was Jacor, and the chief visionary
> there was randy Michals. All the others essentially imitated
> what they did. Despite one or two heritage stations, like
> KGO or WSB, these folks had a bunch of not too hot AMs well
> into the 90's... in fact, ABC lost it at KABC, and could not
> make WAZBC and WLS perform until recently. Noble, if I
> recall, had nothing stellar on AM in that time frame,
> either.
>
 
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