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Could this work in Dallas.. The Bar

> I know its in a small market, but could something like the
> classic rock/country format called The Bar in Billigs, MT
> work here.
> As bad as Dallas radio is, anything different would be a
> welcome addition.
>
> Here's the article from Radio & Records..
>
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_03_15/countryclassic.asp
>
>
>
> PD
>

It could...I gave the idea to one of my bonehead superiors at CC Dallas a year ago when KPLX was slumping...for KZPS.
 
> I know its in a small market, but could something like the
> classic rock/country format called The Bar in Billigs, MT
> work here.
> As bad as Dallas radio is, anything different would be a
> welcome addition.
>
> Here's the article from Radio & Records..
>
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_03_15/countryclassic.asp
>
>
>
> PD
>

Maybe after Cumulus bury The Bone and go active rock, 96.7 could wait for The Twister to blow over, and then go to The Bar for a drink.
 
> It could...I gave the idea to one of my bonehead superiors
> at CC Dallas a year ago when KPLX was slumping...for KZPS.

Rock fans would probably hit the button when country song came on and vice versa. I had to endure such a format for an hour and a half in a line at Disney's California adventure water ride. It was a train wreck of a format - sounding like a cross between a small town hick station and an aging hippie trying to sound cool to country and rock fans both.

Want to improve KZPS and the Bone? Start by limiting the 80's. I am reminded again and again why I hated rock music in the 80's every time I tune into either. Very late 60's and 70's were the golden era of classic rock. With the advent of MTV, production quality turned to video instead of musical content.
Yeah it was neat in 1980 to put MTV on the TV screen and listen to the soundtrack on FM in stereo (in the days before MTS stereo on TV). But the late great KLOL knew to limit it to 30 minutes at a time, and then get back to serious rock music.
 
This could have some legs in DFW if there were less distractions from Twister and fringe stations. Its all about revenue, something has to go to make room for this.

But there is far more a tolerance for this combination than meets the eye if well thought and super selective with titles and their compatability.

> I know its in a small market, but could something like the
> classic rock/country format called The Bar in Billigs, MT
> work here.
> As bad as Dallas radio is, anything different would be a
> welcome addition.
>
> Here's the article from Radio & Records..
>
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_03_15/countryclassic.asp
>
>
>
> PD
>
 
> Rock fans would probably hit the button when country song
> came on and vice versa...train wreck of a format -

Something like this was tried in Austin in the late 80's--a combo Rock/AC/Country hybrid on the old KAPT 94.7. Didn't last long.
 
> I know its in a small market, but could something like the
> classic rock/country format called The Bar in Billigs, MT
> work here.
> As bad as Dallas radio is, anything different would be a
> welcome addition.
>
> Here's the article from Radio & Records..
>
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_03_15/countryclassic.asp
>
>
>
> PD
>

Abilene had a station like that in the early 90's. What I heard as I drove through the are was awsome. Unfortunately, today's country is such crap it would probably not work well. If they used the 90's country and Texas country with it, it might work.
 
> > Rock fans would probably hit the button when country song
> > came on and vice versa...train wreck of a format -
>
> Something like this was tried in Austin in the late 80's--a
> combo Rock/AC/Country hybrid on the old KAPT 94.7. Didn't
> last long.
>




Nah. It wouldn't be a train wreck. If the Eagles came out today, they'd be on Country radio. I'm a 36 year old married homeowner and I flip between country and classic rock radio and like about 1/2 of what I hear on each format.
 
> Nah. It wouldn't be a train wreck. If the Eagles came out
> today, they'd be on Country radio. I'm a 36 year old married
> homeowner and I flip between country and classic rock radio
> and like about 1/2 of what I hear on each format.

Last weekend while in New Orleans I heard a station called "Rockin' Country." It was basically Shenia Twain meets the Allman Brothers. It had a real blue collar appeal, kind of like Larry the Cable Guy. I have to admit I enjoyed listening.

I've wondered why somebody hasn't done it in a major market a long time ago.
 
> > Nah. It wouldn't be a train wreck. If the Eagles came out
> > today, they'd be on Country radio. I'm a 36 year old
> married
> > homeowner and I flip between country and classic rock
> radio
> > and like about 1/2 of what I hear on each format.
>
> Last weekend while in New Orleans I heard a station called
> "Rockin' Country." It was basically Shenia Twain meets the
> Allman Brothers. It had a real blue collar appeal, kind of
> like Larry the Cable Guy. I have to admit I enjoyed
> listening.
>
> I've wondered why somebody hasn't done it in a major market
> a long time ago.
>



The Bar is a good moniker. Think of people shootin pool or playin darts in your local watering hole. They know the words to most of the SRV, Bob Seger, Willie & Waylon, HAnk Jr, Johnny Cash, David Allan Coe, and Tom Petty tunes that come on the jukebox.
 
It all depends how strongly the country station...and thats what will drive this...owns their position. If they are weak, its a hole. If they are strong its a 1.5 share asnd a nuisance.


> > Nah. It wouldn't be a train wreck. If the Eagles came out
> > today, they'd be on Country radio. I'm a 36 year old
> married
> > homeowner and I flip between country and classic rock
> radio
> > and like about 1/2 of what I hear on each format.
>
> Last weekend while in New Orleans I heard a station called
> "Rockin' Country." It was basically Shenia Twain meets the
> Allman Brothers. It had a real blue collar appeal, kind of
> like Larry the Cable Guy. I have to admit I enjoyed
> listening.
>
> I've wondered why somebody hasn't done it in a major market
> a long time ago.
>
 
> I know its in a small market, but could something like the
> classic rock/country format called The Bar in Billigs, MT
> work here.
> As bad as Dallas radio is, anything different would be a
> welcome addition.
>
> Here's the article from Radio & Records..
>
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_03_15/countryclassic.asp
>
>
>
> PD
>

You mean. of course, all of the same, tired Classic Rock songs ---with--- the same country classics--- for all the alcoholics of boths genres to hug each other with???? I'm not there....<P ID="signature">______________
1968-1978 -- THE "GOLDEN AGE" OF ALBUM ROCK MUSIC . . .
In spite of Disco and Top 40 in that period,
it yielded the "Motherload" of Great Album Rock Releases
--Enough for a Lifetime-- :) :) :)</P>
 
> > Rock fans would probably hit the button when country song
> > came on and vice versa...train wreck of a format -

Not if done right. If it's mixing in sappy, cheesy country (Rascal Flatts, Keith Urban, etc.) with ZZ Top, that's a horrible mess. If it's mixing in old, "outlaw" type stuff (Waylon, Willie, Hank, etc.), with decent current stuff (Jack Ingram, Miranda Lambert), with ZZ Top, Eagles, southern rock, etc., it would be fine. It would be more than fine, it would be 500% better than what is on KSCS, KTYS, etc. today.

MTV's country sister CMT runs a yearly "Outlaw" concert that mixes rock (members from Metallica, for example, in one year) and country acts. That concept also is a variation of this -- http://www.cmt.com/shows/events/cmt_outlaws/2005/.


>
> Something like this was tried in Austin in the late 80's--a
> combo Rock/AC/Country hybrid on the old KAPT 94.7. Didn't
> last long.
>

The old KAPT "94-7 Capital FM" was more of AC that threw in some crossover songs -- i.e. if you listened over an hour, there may be one oldie and one Alabama ballad. Not much different from the old KVIL that would throw in Wynonna/"No One Else On Earth" or a Faith Hill crossover periodically.

I think the idea here is something along the lines of KKND 106.7 New Orleans "Rockin' Country 106.7" or WSM-FM 95.5 "95.5 the Wolf" (soon to be co-owned with KPLX once the Cumulus sale closes) or something along the lines of the old KIKK-FM 95.7 Houston circa 2001 when it was country/classic rock/Americana "95-7 Kick FM, Houston's Country Alternative." Although widely despised by folks at this site's Houston board, it was interesting, played stuff not heard on other frequencies in the market, and wasn't cookie-cutter.
 
> > I know its in a small market, but could something like the
>
> > classic rock/country format called The Bar in Billigs, MT
> > work here.
> > As bad as Dallas radio is, anything different would be a
> > welcome addition.
> >
> > Here's the article from Radio & Records..
> >
> http://ww>
> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_03_15/countryclassic.asp
>
> >
> >
> >
> > PD
> >
>
> Abilene had a station like that in the early 90's. What I
> heard as I drove through the are was awsome. Unfortunately,
> today's country is such crap it would probably not work
> well. If they used the 90's country and Texas country with
> it, it might work.


I have an old aircheck of that -- KCWS "Rockin' Country West 102." I'm not sure it was optimally programmed -- Billy Ray Cyrus into Foreigner. I'd like to see a more edgier approach -- throw KHYI, KZPS, and KPLX in the blender and blend.
 
I find it amusing how folks holler about "cookie cutter radio" all thje time. Then when something new and different is talked about, it's quickly dismissed as a "train wreck"




> > > Rock fans would probably hit the button when country
> song
> > > came on and vice versa...train wreck of a format -
>
> Not if done right. If it's mixing in sappy, cheesy country
> (Rascal Flatts, Keith Urban, etc.) with ZZ Top, that's a
> horrible mess. If it's mixing in old, "outlaw" type stuff
> (Waylon, Willie, Hank, etc.), with decent current stuff
> (Jack Ingram, Miranda Lambert), with ZZ Top, Eagles,
> southern rock, etc., it would be fine. It would be more
> than fine, it would be 500% better than what is on KSCS,
> KTYS, etc. today.
>
> MTV's country sister CMT runs a yearly "Outlaw" concert that
> mixes rock (members from Metallica, for example, in one
> year) and country acts. That concept also is a variation of
> this -- http://www.cmt.com/shows/events/cmt_outlaws/2005/.
>
>
> >
> > Something like this was tried in Austin in the late
> 80's--a
> > combo Rock/AC/Country hybrid on the old KAPT 94.7. Didn't
>
> > last long.
> >
>
> The old KAPT "94-7 Capital FM" was more of AC that threw in
> some crossover songs -- i.e. if you listened over an hour,
> there may be one oldie and one Alabama ballad. Not much
> different from the old KVIL that would throw in Wynonna/"No
> One Else On Earth" or a Faith Hill crossover periodically.
>
> I think the idea here is something along the lines of KKND
> 106.7 New Orleans "Rockin' Country 106.7" or WSM-FM 95.5
> "95.5 the Wolf" (soon to be co-owned with KPLX once the
> Cumulus sale closes) or something along the lines of the old
> KIKK-FM 95.7 Houston circa 2001 when it was country/classic
> rock/Americana "95-7 Kick FM, Houston's Country
> Alternative." Although widely despised by folks at this
> site's Houston board, it was interesting, played stuff not
> heard on other frequencies in the market, and wasn't
> cookie-cutter.
>
 
> I know its in a small market, but could something like the
> classic rock/country format called The Bar in Billigs, MT
> work here.
> As bad as Dallas radio is, anything different would be a
> welcome addition.
>
> Here's the article from Radio & Records..
>
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_03_15/countryclassic.asp
>
>
>
> PD
>
KZPS is doing something like this on their HD2. They're calling it Lone Star Radio. It's streaming.

http://www.kzps.com/cc-common/hdradio/
 
> > > Nah. It wouldn't be a train wreck. If the Eagles came
> out
> > > today, they'd be on Country radio. I'm a 36 year old
> > married
> > > homeowner and I flip between country and classic rock
> > radio
> > > and like about 1/2 of what I hear on each format.
> >
> > Last weekend while in New Orleans I heard a station called
>
> > "Rockin' Country." It was basically Shenia Twain meets
> the
> > Allman Brothers. It had a real blue collar appeal, kind
> of
> > like Larry the Cable Guy. I have to admit I enjoyed
> > listening.
> >
> > I've wondered why somebody hasn't done it in a major
> market
> > a long time ago.
> >
>
>
>
> The Bar is a good moniker. Think of people shootin pool or
> playin darts in your local watering hole. They know the
> words to most of the SRV, Bob Seger, Willie & Waylon, HAnk
> Jr, Johnny Cash, David Allan Coe, and Tom Petty tunes that
> come on the jukebox.
>



The key thing is what songs might you hear selected on a Jukebox at a BAR.
BAR songs, drinking songs......
I would never listen to such a station, as bar songs, whether Rock or Country, do not appeal to me personally.

But I could easily see bands like Journey and The Eagles and the Allmon Brothers, and all Southern Rock like ARS (Atlanta Rythem Section), 38 Special, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Charlie Daniels. Country that Rocks, Rock that is Country. There's very much a cross-over. There's even some Rolling Stones songs that would work.....Angie, Wild Horses. Don't forget the "Rock" and Country work of Michael Martin Murphey and Bonnie Raitt.... Gotta get some Bob Dylan, Gordon Lightfoot, and Shawn Phillips in there too . . .

A Triple Shot of Anthems:

Stairway To Heaven (Dolly's version...)

The Devil Went Down To Georgia

Free Bird

NOW That's Country--Rock Heaven !!!!!!!!!!

<P ID="signature">______________
1968-1978 -- THE "GOLDEN AGE" OF ALBUM ROCK MUSIC . . .
In spite of Disco and Top 40 in that period,
it yielded the "Motherload" of Great Album Rock Releases
--Enough for a Lifetime-- :) :) :)</P>
 
> I know its in a small market, but could something like the
> classic rock/country format called The Bar in Billigs, MT
> work here.
> As bad as Dallas radio is, anything different would be a
> welcome addition.
>
> Here's the article from Radio & Records..
>
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_03_15/countryclassic.asp
>
>
>
> PD
>
In a market where there is one mainstream, female skewed country station, this kind of station would be a welcome addition. It would most certainly lean male and as The Wolf has proven here, men will certainly listen to a country station again, if given a reason to.

But in a market like Dallas-Ft. Worth, there isn't much room for it. With all the choices there currently are (7 country, 2 sports, 4 talk, 4 rock) if anything, men are overserved in this town. Of course, who better to overserve than "The Bar."
 
> I know its in a small market, but could something like the
> classic rock/country format called The Bar in Billigs, MT
> work here.
> As bad as Dallas radio is, anything different would be a
> welcome addition.
>
> Here's the article from Radio & Records..
>
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_03_15/countryclassic.asp
>
>
>
> PD
>
A friend of mine was telling me about a station in Midland-Odessa that tried it in the early 90's. On the rock side, things leaned toward ZZ Top, Lynyrd Skynyrd and other southern rock faves. On the country side they played currents of the day - when Garth was blowing up.

The station was called Texas 102. It went to #1 12+ in a book or two then quickly fizzled.
 
>
> A friend of mine was telling me about a station in
> Midland-Odessa that tried it in the early 90's. On the rock
> side, things leaned toward ZZ Top, Lynyrd Skynyrd and other
> southern rock faves. On the country side they played
> currents of the day - when Garth was blowing up.
>
> The station was called Texas 102. It went to #1 12+ in a
> book or two then quickly fizzled.
>



Ahhhhhhh, those were the days......

When Garth was KING<P ID="signature">______________
1968-1978 -- THE "GOLDEN AGE" OF ALBUM ROCK MUSIC . . .
In spite of Disco and Top 40 in that period,
it yielded the "Motherload" of Great Album Rock Releases
--Enough for a Lifetime-- :) :) :)</P>
 
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