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Country in NYC

J

JeremyAndrews

Top story on Yahoo news this afternoon

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> Top story on Yahoo news this afternoon
>
http://ne> ws.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051111/ap_en_mu/music_country_free_radio
>

I can't believe they're comparing the Syracuse market with New York. WTF?

San Francisco doesn't have a Country station either.
There were some years in the 90s when Boston didn't have any Country stations either, though admittedly Country is doing very well right now in Boston.
 
> > Top story on Yahoo news this afternoon
> >
> http://ne>
> ws.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051111/ap_en_mu/music_country_free_radio
>
> >
>
> I can't believe they're comparing the Syracuse market with
> New York. WTF?
>
> San Francisco doesn't have a Country station either.
> There were some years in the 90s when Boston didn't have any
> Country stations either, though admittedly Country is doing
> very well right now in Boston.
>

This article sums it up - the New York radio dial is pathetic - a disgrace!! The worst in the country. What does Kerr mean by "Country isn't glamourous enough for New York" Come on - Is sports, hip hop, classic rock etc ect glamourous???

I look forward to getting out of this area on the weekends so I could experience radio stations in different markets. Just down the highway, Philadelphia has FAR better radio stations then NYC. They have Sunny - soft oldies, XTU - country, Oldies 98, as well as a variety of rock, jazz and urban stations.

I'll say it again - NYC's radio stations stink!!!! Lite FM is even getting really awful . They all copy one another. On weekends, you don't know if WLTW is going all disco - ridiculous. I used to be able to at least listen to LITE -- NO MORE!! HOW MUCH DANCE AND DISCO CAN WE TAKE - IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE!!!!

Growing up in this area, I'm really sad to see what's happened to New York radio. Years ago everyone looked to New York for setting an example - now everyone is looking away.


Jim
 
Blah blah blah, NYC has one of the best CHRs in the world (Z-100) while cities like San Francisco, Denver and Baltimore don't have any CHR/Pop stations.

New York City has the best Hip Hop station in the world (Hot 97).

New York has the best AM News Talk stations outside of maybe San Francisco.

New York's Spanish stations are much more diverse and interesting when compared to many of those found in L.A.

New York has a Dance station, and on a full signal!

New York has a good Classical music station. Philadelphia doesn't, nor do cities like Dallas...

New York has one of the best Smooth Jazz stations in the country.


Basically, New York radio is a lot less BORING then the typical American town. Deal with it!
 
NYC. radio is the best

> This article sums it up - the New York radio dial is
> pathetic - a disgrace!! The worst in the country. What does
> Kerr mean by "Country isn't glamourous enough for New York"
> Come on - Is sports, hip hop, classic rock etc ect
> glamourous???
>
> I look forward to getting out of this area on the weekends
> so I could experience radio stations in different markets.
> Just down the highway, Philadelphia has FAR better radio
> stations then NYC. They have Sunny - soft oldies, XTU -
> country, Oldies 98, as well as a variety of rock, jazz and
> urban stations.
>
> I'll say it again - NYC's radio stations stink!!!! Lite FM
> is even getting really awful . They all copy one another. On
> weekends, you don't know if WLTW is going all disco -
> ridiculous. I used to be able to at least listen to LITE --
> NO MORE!! HOW MUCH DANCE AND DISCO CAN WE TAKE - IS THERE
> ANYTHING ELSE!!!!
>
> Growing up in this area, I'm really sad to see what's
> happened to New York radio. Years ago everyone looked to New
> York for setting an example - now everyone is looking away.
>
>
> Jim

I happen to think the NYC. market is the best in the country. This city has some of the most successful urban and dance stations in the country not to mention LITE music station seeing as WLTW is no. 1.
Don't make ignorant comments simply because the market doesn't cater to your musical preference. You're way out numbered.
The market caters to the majority of the people it serves.
This holds true for any market.


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> >
>
> I can't believe they're comparing the Syracuse market with
> New York. WTF?
>
> San Francisco doesn't have a Country station either.
> There were some years in the 90s when Boston didn't have any
> Country stations either, though admittedly Country is doing
> very well right now in Boston.
>
The article was not very accurate or informative.
I think they don't know that Albany and Syracuse are completely different markets with completely different demographics than New York.
I can't believe they compared the markets simply because they are in the same state!
Unreal!
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> New York has a good Classical music station. Philadelphia
> doesn't, nor do cities like Dallas...


Dallas has a Classical station. www.wrr101.com
 
It's all a matter of personal preference. I personally agree that NYC radio has lost one very important aspect regardless of format, and that's the good personalities and local flavor. There's hardly anything on the terrestrial dial anymore that I would let my kids listen to. Real family values have been thrown in the garbage. The only morning shows etc, that I have found suitable for "everyone in the house" have been on country stations. (no matter what city they originate in) Anyone I've heard manage to keep it clean yet still be funny and entertaining. Kudos to Jim Kerr and my friend who programmed the former Y-107...they certainly had something good going and they had class..entertainment even the kids could enjoy. Shameful what's on the dial these days...
 
NYC radio: Stop the hate

> Blah blah blah, NYC has one of the best CHRs in the world
> (Z-100) while cities like San Francisco, Denver and
> Baltimore don't have any CHR/Pop stations.
>
> New York City has the best Hip Hop station in the world (Hot
> 97).
>
> New York has the best AM News Talk stations outside of maybe
> San Francisco.
>
> New York's Spanish stations are much more diverse and
> interesting when compared to many of those found in L.A.
>
> New York has a Dance station, and on a full signal!
>
> New York has a good Classical music station. Philadelphia
> doesn't, nor do cities like Dallas...
>
> New York has one of the best Smooth Jazz stations in the
> country.
>
All of this just goes to point out that the market talks, the stations have to listen, and of course, radio is still a form of broadcasting, by its very nature addressing a broad and diverse spectrum of listeners. And in NYC that market is incredibly broad and diverse -- can we all at least agree on that?

I don't really love the majority of what is on the airwaves in NYC, but I really can't think of another market that has the breadth of programming options that NYC has. Not Chicago, not DC, not SF, definitely not Boston (not sure about LA these days since I haven't been there in years, but it doesn't look that amazing from what I can see). Yes, there are a lot of holes in the market, country and oldies being the most obvious, and that's about to include alt rock. Admittedly, it ain't hardly perfect.

New York still boasts not one but two classical music stations (although WNYC-FM is not full time classical, so maybe that should be one and a half), 2 all news stations, 2 dance stations (say what you will about that) and some very good public radio stations (WNYC AM/FM, WBGO, WFUV, WFMU are all stations that I really admire for what they do). The Spanish language stations do offer a lot of diversity, and you can't argue that that is an incredibly important and huge part of our community that I think people on this board often overlook. And the hiphop stations are pretty great at what they do, even though I've criticized Hot 97 a lot for doing some pretty irresponsible stuff on the air.

There's a lot to appreciate, if you can overlook the holes. If you can't overlook the holes, stay close to your computer or get satellite. Or, dare I say it, travel more or move somewhere else if it means that much to you. I wouldn't hold my breath for very long waiting for a country or oldies station to reappear in NYC (but you never know!!)

> Basically, New York radio is a lot less BORING then the
> typical American town. Deal with it!
>
AMEN!! I travel a lot and am reminded of this all the time. It's a pretty disspiriting thing to turn on the radio in most other places in America today.
 
> > New York has a good Classical music station. Philadelphia
> > doesn't, nor do cities like Dallas...
>
>
> Dallas has a Classical station. www.wrr101.com

Okay, I stand corrected big time :) Wow, WRR was the first radio station in Texas. Interesting to note that its call letters start with a W even though Dallas is west of the Mississippi. Then again, Pittsburgh's legendary station KDKA is east of the Mississippi, and I believe even older (possibly the oldest station in America?)
 
> > Top story on Yahoo news this afternoon
> >
> http://ne>
> ws.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051111/ap_en_mu/music_country_free_radio
>
> >
>
> I can't believe they're comparing the Syracuse market with
> New York. WTF?
>
I think it's amazing, and in some way, a damn shame that New York City, the literal media capital of the world, doesn't have a successful FM country music station.

You bet there's a world of difference between New York and cities like Albany, Syracuse and Buffalo-Niagara Falls, but just because country is highly rated in upstate markets doesn't mean that country is a format listened to only by "rubes and farmers." You can add Buffalo to the list of "upstate" stations where the country station, WYRK 106.5, is #1. As in #1 18-34, 25-49 and 25-54. The station is flat out amazing. Its on air production is tight and very CHR sounding.

I have friends and extended family that live in Connecticut, Duchess county and New Jersey. Their listening preferences are diverse, but you might be surprised to find that as much as they listen to Hip-Hop, AC, CHR and Classic Rock, they also like Kenny Chesney and Shania Twain.

Country ain't "Cletus and Clem." It's as hip, hot and glamorous as anything that's happening in other formats and the musicianship and production values on country hits is second to none.

Put country on a full power, in-market 50kW signal, hire a PD and air staff that know the music and the potential, have them sound like they're playing CHR or Hot AC, promote it on the streets and country could be viable and profitable.

New York, for all its diversity, should have a country station.


-9-
 
Real oldies

> > > New York has a good Classical music station.
> Philadelphia
> > > doesn't, nor do cities like Dallas...
> >
> >
> > Dallas has a Classical station. www.wrr101.com
>
> Okay, I stand corrected big time :) Wow, WRR was the first
> radio station in Texas. Interesting to note that its call
> letters start with a W even though Dallas is west of the
> Mississippi. Then again, Pittsburgh's legendary station KDKA
> is east of the Mississippi, and I believe even older
> (possibly the oldest station in America?)
>
Yup. Pittsburgh also has KQV 1410, also an early station (that I think sometimes has claimed to be even older than KDKA... I don't know the full story on that). I have pretty consistently heard that KDKA was the first.
 
Despite the fact that demographics in New York City are much different than in Albany, Syracuse or Buffalo, I think a country-music format on a big FM signal in New York can work and be successful. Such a station's success would be the "Radio Surprise Of The Year".

As has been suggested elsewhere in this thread, you need a good PD and a great airstaff. And you also need promotion to get the word "Country Music Is Back On New York Radio!".

You may also want to run NASCAR races on the weekends, since in many markets, NASCAR races are broadcast over country-music stations.

Three years ago, after it's "extreme talk" format was eliminated in the wake of Opie and Anthony's "Sex For Sam" stunt that turned into "St. Patricksgate", Infinity should have turned WNEW-102.7 into a country-music station. Had they done that, it today probably would have more listeners, both 12-plus and in desirable demos, than it does now.

With the Country Music Awards being held in New York this Tuesday night (November 15th), might a New York radio station take advantage of the CMA's being in town and stun the industry (and the city) by flipping to country??
 
A post on another radio board suggests an industry "rumor" going around that "someone" will flip to a country format by Tuesday. (the day after the trends come out and also the day of the CMA's in NYC) I think that it's very possible...however, I will believe it when I see it. There have been many other rumors flying the past few years. I think that if there is any chance at all, that this IS the time to do it. Many studies have shown that the format "done right" is a win-win for whoever takes it. It just has to be marketed right.
 
Re: NYC. radio

> I happen to think the NYC. market is the best in the
> country. This city has some of the most successful urban and
> dance stations

And that's about where it ends. What an accomplishment for the #1 market.

> Don't make ignorant comments simply because the market
> doesn't cater to your musical preference. You're way out
> numbered.
> The market caters to the majority of the people it serves.
> This holds true for any market.
>

Uhh...Sorry, but lacking Oldies, Country and (soon) Modern Rock combined is certainly not a number to write off. It is not making ignorant comments. It IS a problem. Because the dial caters to your needs certainly doesnt make it the best.
 
Re: NYC. radio

> And that's about where it ends. What an accomplishment for
> the #1 market.
>

Not true...in addition it has classical, smooth jazz, talk and many other extremely successful formats and sought after stations. HOT 97 is a very sought after power house of hip, hop. KTU is the most successful dance station in the country, (although I don't know why).

>
> Uhh...Sorry, but lacking Oldies, Country and (soon) Modern
> Rock combined is certainly not a number to write off. It is
> not making ignorant comments. It IS a problem. Because the
> dial caters to your needs certainly doesnt make it the best.
>
Uhhh sorry..it has been lacking modern rock for months already since K-Rock switched to classic rock. Country and modern rock are numbers to write off in NYC since they make no money here. NYC. hasn't had a successful country station since WHN in the 70's on AM and hasn't been a rock town since this 80's.

I understand how people feel the need for there to be more variety but the fact remains that the markets cater to their majority.
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> A post on another radio board suggests an industry "rumor"
> going around that "someone" will flip to a country format by
> Tuesday. (the day after the trends come out and also the day
> of the CMA's in NYC) I think that it's very
> possible...however, I will believe it when I see it. There
> have been many other rumors flying the past few years. I
> think that if there is any chance at all, that this IS the
> time to do it. Many studies have shown that the format "done
> right" is a win-win for whoever takes it. It just has to be
> marketed right.
>

Why did Country not work in NYC the last time(s) it was tried?
With such diversity of the population, is it just much more of
a narrow listener profile that would tune in? How hard would
it be to sell on the streets of NYC? It seems Country is almost as difficult
to work in NYC as would a Dance station in Nashville. The demographics
might actually support a dance station in Nashville better! Help
me out here, but what % of the NYC population (actual #'s)
is Male/Female 35-54, mostly white, and even interested in listening
to Country music?
 
Re: NYC. radio is the best

> > This article sums it up - the New York radio dial is
> > pathetic - a disgrace!! The worst in the country. What
> does
> > Kerr mean by "Country isn't glamourous enough for New
> York"
> > Come on - Is sports, hip hop, classic rock etc ect
> > glamourous???
> >
> > I look forward to getting out of this area on the weekends
>
> > so I could experience radio stations in different markets.
>
> > Just down the highway, Philadelphia has FAR better radio
> > stations then NYC. They have Sunny - soft oldies, XTU -
> > country, Oldies 98, as well as a variety of rock, jazz and
>
> > urban stations.
> >
> > I'll say it again - NYC's radio stations stink!!!! Lite FM
>
> > is even getting really awful . They all copy one another.
> On
> > weekends, you don't know if WLTW is going all disco -
> > ridiculous. I used to be able to at least listen to LITE
> --
> > NO MORE!! HOW MUCH DANCE AND DISCO CAN WE TAKE - IS THERE
> > ANYTHING ELSE!!!!
> >
> > Growing up in this area, I'm really sad to see what's
> > happened to New York radio. Years ago everyone looked to
> New
> > York for setting an example - now everyone is looking
> away.
> >
> >
> > Jim
>
> I happen to think the NYC. market is the best in the
> country. This city has some of the most successful urban and
> dance stations in the country not to mention LITE music
> station seeing as WLTW is no. 1.
> Don't make ignorant comments simply because the market
> doesn't cater to your musical preference. You're way out
> numbered.
> The market caters to the majority of the people it serves.
> This holds true for any market.

By"worst" I mean little variety for such a large market. I'm not saying that the stations themselves are no good (except Jack FM of course) just that in this large market major formats are ignored - country (and yes it could work if done properly) Oldies, alternative, Etc. I've been in commercial radio for over 20 years in this area and I've seen large cooporations buy out stations and really ruin them. Look at what happened to the original WNEW FM. Do you think the programming that they presented after the rock format was dumped was quality???? Yes - there is very little variety in NYC whether you want to admit or not! Corporations have taken over. It's all about $$$._
No - I'm not ignorant - it's just my opinion.

Jim
>
 
> It's all a matter of personal preference. I personally agree
> that NYC radio has lost one very important aspect regardless
> of format, and that's the good personalities and local
> flavor. There's hardly anything on the terrestrial dial
> anymore that I would let my kids listen to. Real family
> values have been thrown in the garbage. The only morning
> shows etc, that I have found suitable for "everyone in the
> house" have been on country stations. (no matter what city
> they originate in) Anyone I've heard manage to keep it clean
> yet still be funny and entertaining. Kudos to Jim Kerr and
> my friend who programmed the former Y-107...they certainly
> had something good going and they had class..entertainment
> even the kids could enjoy. Shameful what's on the dial these
> days...
>
I agree with you. Country radio always keeps it clean. Jim Kerr is a great personality. I'm glad he's back on Q 104.3. There were good personalities that you could relate to. Unfortunately, the big corporates prefer automation with very little personality. THere are some that are OK. Joe Causi on 102.7 is not bad. He really has a NYC flavor and you could tell he really enjoys what he's doing.


Jim
 
> > New York has a good Classical music station. Philadelphia
> > doesn't, nor do cities like Dallas...
>
>
> Dallas has a Classical station. www.wrr101.com
>
Yes you're right. Lets hope they keep it!

Jim
 
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