couple of questions if you please...

[eartotheradio]

1. What happened to WYSL 1040, the news station that was increasing their power during the fall of 2005?? Its now mid Jan '06 and I still haven't noticed any difference in power.

2. Can big 50,000 watt AM flamethrowers like KB or WHAM change their pattern coverage?? I know KB is directional and WHAM is non-directional. Which station would cover more area of the USA ?? Tuning in KB in Angola, Irving, Silver Creek, or Dunkirk is next to impossible, why even go directional when they can't even be heard in southern Erie Co. ??

3. With all the new ways of listening/getting music or talk these days via internet, Ipods, satellite, streaming radio, cd's, etc., folks will now have to shell out over 300.00 for an ugly HD system radio?? Does that mean I have to ditch my regular am/fm alarm sleep radio eventually??

Thanks in advance... (still an amateur in these kind of questions)

 

[wired]

>> > Thanks in advance...
(still an amateur in these kind of questions)
>
"Rookie here too"

I add :
Can a station, say...wkse-fm, 98.5 and the 98.9buzz
(for example), simucast the EXACT same feed, in entercomm's best
interest to cover more area, (a la, energy-FM, 90s, in canada? )

and 'sell' it as "Buzz-FM.NY Radio" on the dial @98.5/98.9 ?
(and maybe even add a syracuse station, if they have one?)..
trying to build a state-wide station ? hmmm...

Ya know me, i am always asking away...thnx , also in
advance..i wish there was more available reading material
for these exciting topics...but this board/forum, is still
pretty awesome : )

 

[Mark_Giardina]

One Answer

> 1. What happened to WYSL 1040, the news station that was
> increasing their power during the fall of 2005?? Its now
> mid Jan '06 and I still haven't noticed any difference in
> power.
>
I will answer question number #1 for you.
WYSL is planning to increase its power to 20 kw, hopefully by spring or summer of this year. Last year materials arrived at the station and work started on the new towers and transmitter. You can see the construction updates by going to their website.

www.wysl1040.com

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[alw2juv]

> 1. What happened to WYSL 1040, the news station that was
> increasing their power during the fall of 2005?? Its now
> mid Jan '06 and I still haven't noticed any difference in
> power.
>
> 2. Can big 50,000 watt AM flamethrowers like KB or WHAM
> change their pattern coverage?? I know KB is directional
> and WHAM is non-directional. Which station would cover more
> area of the USA ?? Tuning in KB in Angola, Irving, Silver
> Creek, or Dunkirk is next to impossible, why even go
> directional when they can't even be heard in southern Erie
> Co. ??
>
> 3. With all the new ways of listening/getting music or talk
> these days via internet, Ipods, satellite, streaming radio,
> cd's, etc., folks will now have to shell out over 300.00 for
> an ugly HD system radio?? Does that mean I have to ditch my
> regular am/fm alarm sleep radio eventually??
>
> Thanks in advance... (still an amateur in these kind of
> questions)

The short answer to question #2 is NO.

All coverage patterns, directional or non, are coordinated by the FCC in regard to license class, daytime power, nightime power, stations on same frequency, stations on adjacent frequencies, etc. WWKB has to protect for a 50kw signal in Oklahoma.
>

 

[JohnW]

Re: KB coverage

To answer the Dunkirk, Silver Creek, etc. part of your question, see the KB website transmitter & coverage area page:

http://www.kb1520.com/history/tower.php

 

[Bob1370]

> 1. What happened to WYSL 1040, the news station that was
> increasing their power during the fall of 2005?? Its now
> mid Jan '06 and I still haven't noticed any difference in
> power.

Their high power transmitter is on site and in the process of being hooked up to the antenna system. The daytime power increase will probably happen soon.

> 2. Can big 50,000 watt AM flamethrowers like KB or WHAM
> change their pattern coverage?? I know KB is directional
> and WHAM is non-directional. Which station would cover more
> area of the USA ?? Tuning in KB in Angola, Irving, Silver
> Creek, or Dunkirk is next to impossible, why even go
> directional when they can't even be heard in southern Erie
> Co. ??

You won't see either station changing its antenna pattern.

'KB could conceivably loosen its DAYTIME pattern, although it would sacrifice some field strength to the north and east during daylight hours if it did (they use the same pattern 24/7, and it nulls the Lake Erie shoreline while pushing more signal into the city of Buffalo, Niagara County, and east toward Rochester). Not much to be gained if you diminish your signal in Williamsville or Rochester for a little extra push in Dunkirk.
KB CANNOT reconfigure the pattern much for nighttime operation, since there is a mutual protection obligation between 'KB and co-channel KOMA in Oklahoma City, another 50,000 watter that's been sharing the 1520 channel with 'KB since 1941. The two stations are I-B stations with equal priority on the channel and legally must null toward each other.

WHAM is a non-directional I-A single stick operation 24/7 with priority on the 1180 channel, has been since 1941, and wouldn't want to change that under any circumstances.

> 3. With all the new ways of listening/getting music or talk
> these days via internet, Ipods, satellite, streaming radio,
> cd's, etc., folks will now have to shell out over 300.00 for
> an ugly HD system radio?? Does that mean I have to ditch my
> regular am/fm alarm sleep radio eventually??

Theoretically the digital and analog signals of IBOC digital-equipped stations ought to be compatible and your old radio should continue to get what it's always pulled in for the foreseeable future. Your old radio ought to work indefinitely. That's the whole idea of the IBOC system...compatibility.

 

[Bob1370]

> I add :
> Can a station, say...wkse-fm, 98.5 and the 98.9buzz
> (for example), simucast the EXACT same feed, in entercomm's
> best interest to cover more area, (a la, energy-FM, 90s, in
> canada? )
> and 'sell' it as "Buzz-FM.NY Radio" on the dial @98.5/98.9 ?
> (and maybe even add a syracuse station, if they have one?)..
> trying to build a state-wide station ? hmmm...

No real advantage. Kiss 98.5 does well in Buffalo as a CHR station, while Buzz 98.9 does well with a 70s-80s-90s classic hit format in Rochester. The two are clearly incompatible formats and couldn't coexist on the same network. Moreover, trying to bring Buzz into Buffalo would set it up against some of Entercom's own stations like Star 102.5. Never happen for that reason alone.

 

[Yeziknoradio]

> > I add :
> > Can a station, say...wkse-fm, 98.5 and the 98.9buzz
> > (for example), simucast the EXACT same feed, in
> entercomm's
> > best interest to cover more area, (a la, energy-FM, 90s,
> in
> > canada? )
> > and 'sell' it as "Buzz-FM.NY Radio" on the dial @98.5/98.9
> ?
> > (and maybe even add a syracuse station, if they have
> one?)..
> > trying to build a state-wide station ? hmmm...
>
> No real advantage. Kiss 98.5 does well in Buffalo as a CHR
> station, while Buzz 98.9 does well with a 70s-80s-90s
> classic hit format in Rochester. The two are clearly
> incompatible formats and couldn't coexist on the same
> network. Moreover, trying to bring Buzz into Buffalo would
> set it up against some of Entercom's own stations like Star
> 102.5. Never happen for that reason alone.

I want to agree, but does Buzz target men or women? Star could go after the women while Buzz grabs the men...strictly a thought, hope I'm wrong...
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[wired]

THAT WASNT MY Inquiry!!!!!

> my question WASN'T....having a chr-Buffalo station,
and the rochester buzz..mesh the two formats..
*
I was ACTUALLY is it legally possible ?? Since I am
very familiar w/the buffalo-rochester radio dial, it
makes to ask..*IS THIS POSSIBLE* to have frequencey 98.5
and 98.9 simucast the exact same Broadcast..
-
I OBVIOUSLY KNOW this would never fly..but, i want to clarify
some thing, i am having a tough time with..and, i need
to know *Legally* can the Buffalo 98.5 and Rochester 98.9
carry the exact same programming..originating out of
500 corporate parkway ???
-
I don't know other markets (coverage maps, ownership, frequencey
allotments, etc) as well as I know market #52,and market #54. That is
why I asked this question...and, that is why i typed in at the end,
(a-la, "energy-FM") of the 90s.. Which would be another thing,
Entercomm-Buffalo would have to do: to neatly have this aire on two frequencies..while covering a HUGE RANGE of area..simply call
the station "FM-98" to avoid people in monroe county(*FOR EXAMPLE*) hearing some thing "BUFFALO" / by creating the same generic "FM-98" moniker, it
would be easier to sell than a "98.5/98.9" the _____ "(buzz, for example).
-
So, is it legal...I am just curious...

 

[wired]

TO the Previous Post..

"IF" the question i proposed..is in fact, LEGAL..
then, CBS radio could:

"Move" 96.5 to 94.1 FM.

then, create "mix-96"FM on, 96.1 BUFFALO, and
96.5 Rochester..have it originate out of buffalo,
and carry it well into the Rochester market.

"Spice" it up(the playlist) a little and be able
to compete w/ star102.5; the Buzz(rochester);
the fox107.3; mix 100.5; fickle93.3; and actually
improve the numbers on warm-100... just a thought !!

 

[fybush]

Re: TO the Previous Post..

Sure, simulcasts are completely legal (the only restriction, and it's rarely enforced, is actually against simulcasts with too MUCH city-grade overlap, not too little.) And of course you need to maintain a legal main studio for each station in the simulcast, though that's not an issue for Entercom, which has such facilities in both markets.

Simulcasts are not uncommon in other parts of the state - Galaxy Broadcasting uses them pretty extensively in Syracuse ("TK99 and TK105" is a Syracuse/Oswego simulcast, as is "K-Rock" on 94.9 in Utica, 100.9 in Syracuse and 106.5 in Oswego) and in Albany ("The Bone" on two class A rimshots, neither of which hits the full market.)

But they don't always make programming sense, especially when they cross market lines. There's not a lot of point in promoting a Chippewa Street remote to listeners in Rochester who are unlikely to drive an hour to get there, or to promoting a Frontier Field event to listeners in Buffalo. Rochester listeners don't care what the traffic is like on the Scajaquada, and nobody in Buffalo cares that Webster is getting pounded with a foot of lake-effect snow. It's a tribute to the unique format of WLKK that it does as well as it does in the Rochester book, since most of the content outside the music is irrelevant to listeners here.

Once you start splitting the ads, too, you've lost most of the rationale for simulcasting in the first place, and you end up with some pretty generic breaks if you're trying to stay relevant to listeners in both markets.

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[wired]

Re: TO the Previous Post..

Thank You,and as usual, well put to answering my question,
about simucasting the same 'feed'/'thing' on different
frequencies..I was actually misinformed by a source who
I question a lot anyway, but the original situation that
made me wonder, why/if it is legal was..when religious
stations would originate in florida ( for example), and use stations
across the country to re-broadcast 'the message' I am
not against the programming, I just thought since it
was what the FCC wanted on these frequencies, it would
'let it slide' :::The other reason for me asking:: was
the recent and previous set up w/ wild 101 and having that
rebroadcasting in the states..( i know that may be different because
of canada/us ) but, again that "25 miles" rule came into play once again.

I would often hear of that "25 mile rule" when stations were
sold or in the process of the sale, to have the new owners
take over..and during the transition periods..

well, any ways, thank you !! for the *CORRECT* and WELL INFORMED response.

 

[Unregistered]

>> > Thanks in advance...
(still an amateur in these kind of questions)
>
"Rookie here too"

I add :
Can a station, say...wkse-fm, 98.5 and the 98.9buzz
(for example), simucast the EXACT same feed, in entercomm's best
interest to cover more area, (a la, energy-FM, 90s, in canada? )

and 'sell' it as "Buzz-FM.NY Radio" on the dial @98.5/98.9 ?
(and maybe even add a syracuse station, if they have one?)..
trying to build a state-wide station ? hmmm...

Ya know me, i am always asking away...thnx , also in
advance..i wish there was more available reading material
for these exciting topics...but this board/forum, is still
pretty awesome : )

WNVE did this with 95.1/95.5 in the 90s/early 2000s....95.1 covered rochester and the west half of the region, while 95.5 covered the finger lakes and beyond...the nerve was at that time the strongest station in the market, covering some 145 miles of along the thruway between batavia and verona....

 

[Unregistered]

WNVE did this with 95.1/95.5 in the 90s/early 2000s....95.1 covered rochester and the west half of the region, while 95.5 covered the finger lakes and beyond...the nerve was at that time the strongest station in the market, covering some 145 miles of along the thruway between batavia and verona....

no, thats not right. 95.1 was the main signal from bristol mountain, covering the finger lakes. 95.5 was a translator on pinnacle hill covering the immediate rochester area. once jacor moved 95.1 from bristol to baker hill (the wvor site near eastview), they didnt need the translator anymore. neither 95.1 or 95.5 was very good back then west of the river. the nerve was hard to hear in brockport or batavia. you could hear it in syracuse and ithcaa, but that was outside the market and didnt count in the ratings.