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Court reaffirms CPB's independence

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Never “demanded” any “detailed information”. The claim was made that no CPB funds go directly to NPR, and I mentioned heavily CPB funded public radio stations buying programming from NPR so they do get that revenue as a pass through. Money is fungible, so the “they didn’t use THAT money” claims are pretty weak.

It has no bearing on my life if the government funds rural radio service in some way. There are better options that are getting better everyday, but if the consensus is that helping fund rural radio is a government function, then so be it. However, there is absolutely zero need for the government to fund any programming of any kind in today’s media environment, especially news and politics. How can you be critical of the government if they fund your operations?
Have you even listened to NPR? or a public radio station? When my ill mother was staying at my place we had the NPR station on 24/7, and most of it was programs that had nothing to do with news and politics. What 'news' or 'politics' is there in music programs like 'Live From Here', or the two mechanics' show that was on every Saturday? What 'news' or 'politics' is there in Rick Steve's travel show? Or the 'Hidden Brain' show?

What 'news' or 'politics' is there in the thousands of college and university stations that get some CPB funding to help them stay on the air? The college and community station I worked at for three years, which did get some CPB funding, had maybe two hours of news (one show, during the late afternoon). The other 22 hours of programming were music and some cultural music programming. The vast majority of the time slots and dayparts weren't news at all. Just music.

You remind me of the naysayers back in the 1930's who didn't want government funding the REA, TVA, or the Columbia Basin project.

Hey, if you choose to live on a farm out in the middle of the Great Plains where there's no electricity, you made that choice. Don't expect me to fund the power generation or power delivery infrastructure. Telephones? You already knew there were no phones out there when you decided to live there. Deal with it.

There were people back in the 1930's who were dead set against the Rural Electrification Administration, TVA, and other similar infrastructure projects, for the same basic reasons you've listed. They saw it as a waste of Federal tax money, wiring up rural areas where only a few hicks and dirt farmers lived. After all, those folks didn't need electricity. They already had kerosene lighting and wood stoves. If the power companies and phone companies didn't want to wire up those areas, obviously it was for good reason. Too expensive. Why should the government do it when the companies didn't see a profit or benefit in doing so? That was the argument used. Same one being used to yank the CPB funding.

You keep harping on the millions of channels that people have access to when they have broadband internet. OK, that's true, the internet provides for literally millions of information and entertainment 'channels'.

Do you even understand what function Radio performs, and how it's different from cruising the internet, checking out social media notifications on a smart phone, or picking up the remote and dialing through endless channels of infotainment on cable TV? Radio is not TV, it's not cable, and it's not an internet website -- it's a completely different medium and can be used in the car, in the home, or at work, and be listened to while you're doing other tasks.

Those of us who worked in Radio, or were Radio hobbyists and Radio fans all our lives, understand this.

And in many places where CPB funded public radio stations exist, those stations are the only radio station with local news, State news, and the like. It's necessary infrastructure. Where SRG lives, for example, KSKO is the only station on the radio dial. In rural Burns, Oregon, the only radio station with news -- whether it's state or national -- is the OPB public radio station. The big news and info stations on the FM and AM band in Oregon are all west of the Cascades, and none of them have workable signals in places like Burns, which is a relatively isolated town in the Eastern Oregon desert. A lot of the folks in that section of Eastern Oregon are ranchers. Radio is an important medium for them. It's not like they can carry around a satellite dish. Sure, some of them might get Sirius. But Sirius doesn't carry Oregon state news, like the OPB stations do.

CPB's costs, when compared to a lot of other subsidies and Federal programs, was a drop in the bucket. The Federal government still subsidizes the Oil Industry. They're some of the richest corporations in the world, and yet they get Federal subsidies.

But instead of being against that sort of government spending, the conservatives running Congress go after Radio.
 
But instead of being against that sort of government spending, the conservatives running Congress go after Radio.

They went after CPB in its current form.

The president is seeking to control CPB by replacing three board members. Why would he expend that energy over an agency that he just defunded?

 
They went after CPB in its current form.

The president is seeking to control CPB by replacing three board members. Why would he expend that energy over an agency that he just defunded?


Theyre messing with the wrong folks on this too... one of the people he wants to fire form the CPB board is Diane Kaplan, a lifelong Alaskan... her husband was a major force in radio in this state, mostly in the engineering.. and her son is the COO of KNBA 90.3/Kohanic Broadcasting/Native Voice 1. They have dedicated their lives to public broadcasting. Diane is/was part of the Rasmusson Foundation.

As i've said before, this loss of funding will devastate rural stations. It's 60 to 70 percent of our budget. I know of two stations in Alaska where its north of 85 percent of their budget.

I know of yet another station that will be off the air in early 2026 because of this.

We serve an underserved audience. for a good portion of alaska, public radio is all they can hear.. and for many of us, even if we got money from every living breathing human including babies, it still wouldnt be enough to cover expenses.

We get a good amount of support from locals based on our population numbers
 
Theyre messing with the wrong folks on this too... one of the people he wants to fire form the CPB board is Diane Kaplan, a lifelong Alaskan... her husband was a major force in radio in this state, mostly in the engineering.. and her son is the COO of KNBA 90.3/Kohanic Broadcasting/Native Voice 1. They have dedicated their lives to public broadcasting. Diane is/was part of the Rasmusson Foundation.

As i've said before, this loss of funding will devastate rural stations. It's 60 to 70 percent of our budget. I know of two stations in Alaska where its north of 85 percent of their budget.

I know of yet another station that will be off the air in early 2026 because of this.

We serve an underserved audience. for a good portion of alaska, public radio is all they can hear.. and for many of us, even if we got money from every living breathing human including babies, it still wouldnt be enough to cover expenses.

We get a good amount of support from locals based on our population numbers

If I remember correctly, it was the late Republican U.S. senator from Alaska, Ted Stevens, who pushed for public radio to serve the villages in your state. He must rolling over in his grave right about now...
 
Have you even listened to NPR? or a public radio station? When my ill mother was staying at my place we had the NPR station on 24/7, and most of it was programs that had nothing to do with news and politics. What 'news' or 'politics' is there in music programs like 'Live From Here', or the two mechanics' show that was on every Saturday? What 'news' or 'politics' is there in Rick Steve's travel show? Or the 'Hidden Brain' show?
Never said all of the programming was bad - just said the taxpayers shouldn't be paying for its production or to purchase it indirectly. Why is the government involved in any way in funding "Rick Steve's Travel Show"?
What 'news' or 'politics' is there in the thousands of college and university stations that get some CPB funding to help them stay on the air? The college and community station I worked at for three years, which did get some CPB funding, had maybe two hours of news (one show, during the late afternoon). The other 22 hours of programming were music and some cultural music programming. The vast majority of the time slots and dayparts weren't news at all. Just music.
The whole idea or view that these stations are somehow owed this money is crazy. College towns are full of radio coverage of all types, and the colleges themselves are generally flush with cash. You said there was a two hour daily news show - what was the source? Was it produced in house - or purchased from NPR?
You remind me of the naysayers back in the 1930's who didn't want government funding the REA, TVA, or the Columbia Basin project.

Hey, if you choose to live on a farm out in the middle of the Great Plains where there's no electricity, you made that choice. Don't expect me to fund the power generation or power delivery infrastructure. Telephones? You already knew there were no phones out there when you decided to live there. Deal with it.

There were people back in the 1930's who were dead set against the Rural Electrification Administration, TVA, and other similar infrastructure projects, for the same basic reasons you've listed. They saw it as a waste of Federal tax money, wiring up rural areas where only a few hicks and dirt farmers lived. After all, those folks didn't need electricity. They already had kerosene lighting and wood stoves. If the power companies and phone companies didn't want to wire up those areas, obviously it was for good reason. Too expensive. Why should the government do it when the companies didn't see a profit or benefit in doing so? That was the argument used. Same one being used to yank the CPB funding.
You are comparing expanding electrical service into the western part of the US in the 1930s to funding radio services in 2025 - wow. The expansion of a basic utility that is still the primary source of power 100 years later was in the best interest of the whole country, not just a few people. It allowed industry to expand westward, it provided service to everyone as it expanded, and it made vast areas more inhabitable. TVA dams are the same thing - still standing and still the main source of power in those areas. Interstate highway system is the same thing as it expanded everything for everybody. You can say none of those things about AM/FM radio in 2025. The only similarity is that it is 100 year old technology - the difference is that it has been replaced by technology that is readily available and FAR superior. Has that happened to any of those other things? Nope.
You keep harping on the millions of channels that people have access to when they have broadband internet. OK, that's true, the internet provides for literally millions of information and entertainment 'channels'.

Do you even understand what function Radio performs, and how it's different from cruising the internet, checking out social media notifications on a smart phone, or picking up the remote and dialing through endless channels of infotainment on cable TV? Radio is not TV, it's not cable, and it's not an internet website -- it's a completely different medium and can be used in the car, in the home, or at work, and be listened to while you're doing other tasks.

Those of us who worked in Radio, or were Radio hobbyists and Radio fans all our lives, understand this.
Radio is one of many choices in 2025, and unfortunately, it is no longer the top choice for many people, especially younger people some of whom never use a radio. You say radio is not TV, cable, or the internet and you are right - radio technology predates all of those mediums and is only audio. It has limited choices due to bandwidth, it is audio only, and isn't two way or interactive. It still has a place in the world, but we can all agree that clock is ticking.
And in many places where CPB funded public radio stations exist, those stations are the only radio station with local news, State news, and the like. It's necessary infrastructure. Where SRG lives, for example, KSKO is the only station on the radio dial. In rural Burns, Oregon, the only radio station with news -- whether it's state or national -- is the OPB public radio station. The big news and info stations on the FM and AM band in Oregon are all west of the Cascades, and none of them have workable signals in places like Burns, which is a relatively isolated town in the Eastern Oregon desert. A lot of the folks in that section of Eastern Oregon are ranchers. Radio is an important medium for them. It's not like they can carry around a satellite dish. Sure, some of them might get Sirius. But Sirius doesn't carry Oregon state news, like the OPB stations do.
So news on rural radio is necessary government funded infrastructure in 2025. Not sure about that. Burns, OR is a town of almost 3000 people in Harney County, served by 10 radio signals that are all actually in Burns. Burns even has a weekly newspaper. Harney County is 10,000 square miles and only has 7,600 residents - 4400 of which live within ten miles of Burns. None of the radio stations there cover more than a small portion of the county, and much of the county has no AM/FM radio service at all. However, the entire county has Sirius coverage and 150 kbs satellite internet service.

CPB's costs, when compared to a lot of other subsidies and Federal programs, was a drop in the bucket. The Federal government still subsidizes the Oil Industry. They're some of the richest corporations in the world, and yet they get Federal subsidies.
But instead of being against that sort of government spending, the conservatives running Congress go after Radio.
Crazy comparison but okay. The oil industry is critical to our well being, our security and military, industry, and US oil production is a key to our day to day lives. Our government spends too much money on things it has no business being involved in, but I am not sure the oil industry is a good example. The steel industry is another similar example.
 
The rescission letter made the same mistake you did about who has to be unbiased. So that may be grounds to question the process.

There are already two lawsuits going on right now involving CPB. One filed by the white house.

You have to admit if the shoe was on the other foot, there would be lawsuits all week.
Frivolous lawsuits are a tool of the left. The last six months is undeniable proof.
 
I will make one other comment than shut up. The U.S. democratic (that's with a small d) form of government can last only as long as the population being served is well-informed about what government policies are and the effect of those policies on portions of the population; and how candidates stand on the issues. Removing what I would argue is anon-partisan facts-based radio network from the scene because one doesn't believe that taxes should be used to pay for such a network will leave people very reliant on questionable sources for factual information and, in the long run, may mean the end of the U.S. government as we know it.
What "non-partisan facts-based radio network" is "getting removed from the scene"? Who are the "questionable sources for factual information" you are referring to?
 
The oil industry is critical to our well being, our security and military, industry, and US oil production is a key to our day to day lives.
If it really is that critical to our national security, then we should nationalize it. Heck, it's already operating on government-owned land and receiving billions of dollars in government subsidies, and we already have a government-operated strategic petroleum reserve, so why not just make the whole thing part of the government?
 
Sure, you can choose to live anywhere. But anywhere you live is dependent on Federal money. Be it for infrastructure, or outlays of tax dollars when disaster strikes. And those 'consequences' often cost people 3000 miles away a lot of money. Nationwide, insurance rates have skyrocketed thanks to California wildfires and Florida hurricanes. The tax burden to cover those disasters also affects the rest of the nation.

Their choices, to live in those areas, become our consequences. But that's how it works in an integrated, Federal society.
You are comparing natural disasters to day to day living expenses and conveniences. A more apt comparison would be the government paying for your cell phone.
"Is it more expensive right now? Probably." That's the key phrase in this discussion. You would prefer that the government spend more money than it takes to continue to subsidize an already existing, working, local community radio station. You want the government to spend more money. I don't. I want them to spend less money, money that was already allocated, on a proven infrastructure that already exists.

When the costs for the satellite stuff comes down a lot more, then look into the alternatives. And even at that, stations like KSKO are local in nature, manned by local people, with a direct link to the local community. And many of those local people may not have the $150 to spend on Starlink.
Lets use KSKO and its repeaters as an example. The entire 8-9 stations cover about 1200 people, and only when they are in town due to low power and terrain. They receive about $85,000 per year in CPB money according to the 2019 financials on their website, or about $70 for every person they cover whether they listen or not. Some of these people likely already have satellite internet service as Starlink basic service only costs $80 per month and the equipment is free. Could satellite internet hot spot service be obtained for those small towns for a similar cost? Could improved telephone services be more cost effective, especially for emergency notifications? Or are we best served by a single one way FM radio signal? That is the choice.
 
If it really is that critical to our national security, then we should nationalize it. Heck, it's already operating on government-owned land and receiving billions of dollars in government subsidies, and we already have a government-operated strategic petroleum reserve, so why not just make the whole thing part of the government?
Maybe, but anything the government does, private industry can do better, faster, and cheaper. Four years ago, $42 billion was allocated by the government for rural broadband internet expansion. No one has been connected as of today. If you gave that money to private industry, how many would be connected today? Would that number be a lot more than zero?
 
You are comparing natural disasters to day to day living expenses and conveniences. A more apt comparison would be the government paying for your cell phone.

Lets use KSKO and its repeaters as an example. The entire 8-9 stations cover about 1200 people, and only when they are in town due to low power and terrain. They receive about $85,000 per year in CPB money according to the 2019 financials on their website, or about $70 for every person they cover whether they listen or not. Some of these people likely already have satellite internet service as Starlink basic service only costs $80 per month and the equipment is free. Could satellite internet hot spot service be obtained for those small towns for a similar cost? Could improved telephone services be more cost effective, especially for emergency notifications? Or are we best served by a single one way FM radio signal? That is the choice.

Lemme answer/clear up/clarify some things.

WE cover all that counts and then some.. there is extremely little to no population outside the towns. We have signals runnign 25-50 watts form 2nd story roofs of buildings that cover all that matters.

Cell phone service is non existant in some villages, 2g in others, wireless emergency alerts are voluntary and do not work over 2 g networks.

Some people dont have, dont want, dont need internet.

To upgrade all the villages to at least 3g from 2g or give 3g to people who dont have it cost and give them starlink would cost WAY WAY more then that CPB funding..10x PLUS.

And none of that would provide the local info that +KSKO.. in particular local observations/discussions of weather trends,being bale to analyze information and provide interpretation of it.
 
If it really is that critical to our national security, then we should nationalize it.
Nothing works better when run by the government. A good example of government oil monopolies can be seen with Pemex in Mexico and the state run oil industry in Venezuela.
Heck, it's already operating on government-owned land and receiving billions of dollars in government subsidies,
Oil depletion allowances are not "subsidies". They are the equivalent to depreciation in a factory.
nd we already have a government-operated strategic petroleum reserve, so why not just make the whole thing part of the government?
Again, put the government, any government, anywhere, in charge of an industry and it will end with a bloated staff, no "shareholder audits" leading to corruption, failure to invest in technology and infrastructure and more.
 
Nothing works better when run by the government.
Health care? OK, waiting for an appointment might be annoying, but at least treatment for a serious disease or injury won't bankrupt you in countries with nationalized medicine, unlike in the U.S., where billion-dollar corporations compete for the privilege of fighting you for every penny of coverage you beg them for, then increase premiums every year.
 
Health care? OK, waiting for an appointment might be annoying, but at least treatment for a serious disease or injury won't bankrupt you in countries with nationalized medicine, unlike in the U.S., where billion-dollar corporations compete for the privilege of fighting you for every penny of coverage you beg them for, then increase premiums every year.
Essential services like education and health care and managing streets and traffic lights are better served by the government, but with extreme oversight. But if you look at Mexico, where there is universal health care,, those wishing to pick their own providers and private hospitals pay vastly less than in the U.S.

We don't want Canadian or British health care, where you can die waiting for an appointment. There are a half dozen neighbors on my street who have second homes here and they pay for U.S. insurance so they can get all their care done here, so bad is the service in Canada. Canadian hospitals are not like what we see in "Transplant" (a well told story, by the way).
 
We don't want Canadian or British health care, where you can die waiting for an appointment. There are a half dozen neighbors on my street who have second homes here and they pay for U.S. insurance so they can get all their care done here, so bad is the service in Canada. Canadian hospitals are not like what we see in "Transplant" (a well told story, by the way).

You just described something most of us will never have or be able to do... a second home and pay for healthcare here while presumably living in Canada?

Talk about being pretty well off. Comparing all of this is like apples to oranges. I hear from plenty who say Canadian healthcare overall is far better than the US and the people who poo poo it are those who are simply agaisnt the socialist/universal model
 
You just described something most of us will never have or be able to do... a second home and pay for healthcare here while presumably living in Canada?

Talk about being pretty well off. Comparing all of this is like apples to oranges. I hear from plenty who say Canadian healthcare overall is far better than the US and the people who poo poo it are those who are simply agaisnt the socialist/universal model
I hear good things about the UK system from friends in England, too. One has just undergone several rounds of treatment for cancer, has nothing but praise for his doctors and is doing very well. All anecdotal, just like David's, but David is predisposed to pooh-pooh (not poo poo; that's excrement) anything associated with the corrupt Latin American regimes he's worked and lived under.
 
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