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Court reaffirms CPB's independence

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It is available now and has been for over ten years. If you went without insurance it was by choice.
My wife is on it (I have Medicare/Medicare Advantage) in a red state which would just as soon do away with it. Her 10-day hospital stay still left plenty of bills. We've always loved the "you're covered, you're not covered, you might be covered, in-network, out-of-network (which changes). But I'm sure Our Lord God Trump and GOP Supermajority are bringing Utopia, aa soon as insurance companies can deny coverage for pre-existing conditions again.
 
You just described something most of us will never have or be able to do... a second home and pay for healthcare here while presumably living in Canada?
Yes, I agree that those people are members of a small group. But they represent a universal situation in their country where health care is laden with delays and conditions.
Talk about being pretty well off. Comparing all of this is like apples to oranges. I hear from plenty who say Canadian healthcare overall is far better than the US and the people who poo poo it are those who are simply agaisnt the socialist/universal model
The neighbor I spoke with most recently said that a needed intervention for pain-producing backbone friction would take an 18 to 24 month wait at best, with constant "re-evaluation". Here, they got a CAT Scan, bone density tests and the procedure done on private U.S. insurance in less than 30 days.

Again, they have the money to do it here. Other Canadians have to wait.

And my co-editor of WorldRadioHistory in the UK died while waiting for a needed procedure that would have kept him alive with considerable guarantees of success.
 
I hear good things about the UK system from friends in England, too. One has just undergone several rounds of treatment for cancer, has nothing but praise for his doctors and is doing very well. All anecdotal, just like David's, but David is predisposed to pooh-pooh (not poo poo; that's excrement) anything associated with the corrupt Latin American regimes he's worked and lived under.
Many of the places in Latin America where have worked have fairly decent governments. Despite criticism, Mexico has been a functioning and orderly democracy for 105 years or so. Costa Rica, Chile and Uruguay and several others are long-term stable governments and others, like Panama and the Dominican Republic are well run and have been for decades.
 
You are comparing natural disasters to day to day living expenses and conveniences. A more apt comparison would be the government paying for your cell phone.
The comparison I made is valid. The disasters in the regions I mentioned (Gulf Coast, Florida, Tornado Alley, etc.) are frequent enough, and are regular occurrences, like clockwork. They happen every year, when late summer or fall hits, and they cost the entire country millions of dollars when they hit.

If you move to Florida, expect to encounter a hurricane sometime within 5-6 years (or less), because the entire state gets hit by them eventually -- Florida is right in the path for hurricanes. If you move to the Gulf Coast, expect the same thing. If you move to tornado alley, expect that there may be a tornado or other extreme weather damage.

It goes with the territory. And when the damage happens, the rest of the country pays for it.

When everybody in the US has their homeowner's insurance jacked up because of hurricanes and tornadoes, and other annually occurring events that cause damage to thousands of homes and businesses, as well as infrastructure, then everybody pays for it.
Lets use KSKO and its repeaters as an example. The entire 8-9 stations cover about 1200 people, and only when they are in town due to low power and terrain. They receive about $85,000 per year in CPB money according to the 2019 financials on their website, or about $70 for every person they cover whether they listen or not. Some of these people likely already have satellite internet service as Starlink basic service only costs $80 per month and the equipment is free. Could satellite internet hot spot service be obtained for those small towns for a similar cost? Could improved telephone services be more cost effective, especially for emergency notifications? Or are we best served by a single one way FM radio signal? That is the choice.
The people there fish and hunt. Most of them also work, much of that work away from satellite internet hot spots.

They're best served by that one way FM radio signal. That's one of Radio's strengths: you don't have to be tethered to a 'hot spot' to actually get news, information, or audio entertainment.

You want the government to pay an extra $10 to the people in rural Alaska for service that may not reach them when they're out on the job, or away from a hot spot. $10 extra. That's not savings, that's more government spending, not less.
 
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Lemme answer/clear up/clarify some things.

WE cover all that counts and then some.. there is extremely little to no population outside the towns. We have signals runnign 25-50 watts form 2nd story roofs of buildings that cover all that matters.

Cell phone service is non existant in some villages, 2g in others, wireless emergency alerts are voluntary and do not work over 2 g networks.

Some people dont have, dont want, dont need internet.

To upgrade all the villages to at least 3g from 2g or give 3g to people who dont have it cost and give them starlink would cost WAY WAY more then that CPB funding..10x PLUS.

And none of that would provide the local info that +KSKO.. in particular local observations/discussions of weather trends,being bale to analyze information and provide interpretation of it.
But that $85K/yr that would keep your station on the air would cause the entire American government's finances to collapse. By allowing KSKO to run out of funds they're going to save America.
 
When everybody in the US has their homeowner's insurance jacked up because of hurricanes and tornadoes, and other annually occurring events that cause damage to thousands of homes and businesses, as well as infrastructure, then everybody pays for it.
Insurance rates, even in individual states, are set based on risk in each area. Generally, each state has an insurance commission and they have to review to approve rate changes.

What "everybody" pays for is the enormous inflation of the last 4 years which started with the business slowdowns from the inflation and large government stimulus spending. That has nothing to do with individual area risks.

For example, try insuring a taller tower along the Gulf Coast. Then compare the cost with a similar tower in the Dakotas or Michigan... to name two different areas.
They're best served by that one way FM radio signal. That's one of Radio's strengths: you don't have to be tethered to a 'hot spot' to actually get news, information, or audio entertainment.
But with services like Musk's Starlink you get pretty much total coverage anywhere on the planet. And you can "talk back" or text or whatever.
You want the government to pay an extra $10 to the people in rural Alaska for service that may not reach them when they're out on the job, or away from a hot spot. $10 extra. That's not savings, that's more government spending, not less.
I think an analysis of that cost vs the analysis of greater police and safety costs in urban areas likely favors the rural zone.

Perhaps the way to look at this is to say that government services, while different in various urban and rural environments, should fill the needs that are specific to those places. With no factual knowledge, I am guessing that it averages out.
 
But that $85K/yr that would keep your station on the air would cause the entire American government's finances to collapse. By allowing KSKO to run out of funds they're going to save America.
Again, each area requires specific and often different government services. In SomeRadioGuy's area, isolation creates certain needs. What they don't spend on traffic cops and stoplights in a bigger city goes to the radio service in the rural area.

I suspect it all balances out. The error of the current administration is to put different government services in silos without looking at the overall picture. Rural Alaska needs improved communications, while Dearborn, MI, needs services for native Arabic speakers.

Like many, I think this kind of decision and budgeting should be at the state and even county levels, as there are too many variables for a national policy.
 
The comparison I made is valid. The disasters in the regions I mentioned (Gulf Coast, Florida, Tornado Alley, etc.) are frequent enough, and are regular occurrences, like clockwork. If you move to Florida, expect to encounter a hurricane sometime within 5-6 years (or less). If you move to the Gulf Coast, expect the same thing. If you move to tornado alley, expect that there may be a tornado or other extreme weather damage.

It goes with the territory. And when the damage happens, the rest of the country pays for it.

When everybody in the US has their homeowner's insurance jacked up because of hurricanes and tornadoes, and other annually occurring events that cause damage to thousands of homes and businesses, as well as infrastructure, then everybody pays for it.
That is how insurance works. The group takes the risk, and they are charged based on the specific risk in their area. High risk areas require additional flood insurance because the risk is higher. People in high risk areas pay more - many times it is multiples of other areas premiums - because they chose to live in those Funding FM radio service is akin to providing government funded cell phones
The people there fish and hunt. Most of them also work, much of that work away from satellite internet hot spots.

They're best served by that one way FM radio signal. That's one of Radio's strengths: you don't have to be tethered to a 'hot spot' to actually get news, information, or audio entertainment.

You want the government to pay an extra $10 to the people in rural Alaska for service that may not reach them when they're out on the job, or away from a hot spot. $10 extra. That's not savings, that's more government spending,
I don’t want the government paying for any of it but if the money is going to be spent why spend it on such a limited option? Those hunters and fisherman aren’t going to hear a 25 watt repeater 30 feet off the ground very far out into the field - you could cover almost the same area with a city wifi network. So as far as being “tethered” to town for coverage they kind of are now.
 
I don’t want the government paying for any of it but if the money is going to be spent why spend it on such a limited option? Those hunters and fisherman aren’t going to hear a 25 watt repeater 30 feet off the ground very far out into the field - you could cover almost the same area with a city wifi network. So as far as being “tethered” to town for coverage they kind of are now.
As I have now mentioned several times, each area in the country, each state and even each county and city has unique or at least separate needs.

In that rural Alaskan environment, the simple and traditional service of a low power FM (or a network of them) is easy to use and requires limited, off the shelf traditional technology.

I'm a former station chief engineer, so am sort of a "techie". Yet I seem to have a never ending battle that has lasted years and years with WiFi signals, log-ins, passwords, and more. A little radio in the kitchen is so much simpler and devoid of all the higher technology issues that seemingly many neither want nor need in this situation.
 
Never said all of the programming was bad - just said the taxpayers shouldn't be paying for its production or to purchase it indirectly. Why is the government involved in any way in funding "Rick Steve's Travel Show"?
It probably isn't getting government money. According to Steves' website, they get money from fundraisers and selling merchandise through the website. But the stations running that show got some CPB money.
The whole idea or view that these stations are somehow owed this money is crazy. College towns are full of radio coverage of all types, and the colleges themselves are generally flush with cash. You said there was a two hour daily news show - what was the source? Was it produced in house - or purchased from NPR?
The source for the weekday, two hour news shows was Pacifica, and one 2 hour show on weekends was CBC Sunday Morning. The station received some CPB money, but most of the funding was through pledge drives, and some was also from the college, although the station was not part of the college curriculum anymore.
You are comparing expanding electrical service into the western part of the US in the 1930s to funding radio services in 2025 - wow. The expansion of a basic utility that is still the primary source of power 100 years later was in the best interest of the whole country, not just a few people. It allowed industry to expand westward, it provided service to everyone as it expanded, and it made vast areas more inhabitable. TVA dams are the same thing - still standing and still the main source of power in those areas. Interstate highway system is the same thing as it expanded everything for everybody. You can say none of those things about AM/FM radio in 2025. The only similarity is that it is 100 year old technology - the difference is that it has been replaced by technology that is readily available and FAR superior. Has that happened to any of those other things? Nope.
Millions of people use and even depend on radio every day.

The Great Plains didn't have power until the REA provided the infrastructure. Back then, the power companies didn't want to extend their infrastructure out to the rural farmers and poor people. It wasn't cost effective for them. Huge swaths of the rural South didn't have power, either, until the REA provided the infrastructure. Republicans in Congress were against the TVA, and R's in Congress were also against Grand Coulee Dam being built as a high dam to provide power (some of which goes to California today). They used the same lame arguments that are now being used against CPB, i.e., government money for such things is "socialism".

They didn't care about the lives of the rural people.
Radio is one of many choices in 2025, and unfortunately, it is no longer the top choice for many people, especially younger people some of whom never use a radio. You say radio is not TV, cable, or the internet and you are right - radio technology predates all of those mediums and is only audio. It has limited choices due to bandwidth, it is audio only, and isn't two way or interactive. It still has a place in the world, but we can all agree that clock is ticking.
The clock on radio is ticking. That is about the only thing where you and I agree.

But audio entertainment and information is viable and valuable. That's why so many vehicles today still have radios.
So news on rural radio is necessary government funded infrastructure in 2025. Not sure about that. Burns, OR is a town of almost 3000 people in Harney County, served by 10 radio signals that are all actually in Burns. Burns even has a weekly newspaper. Harney County is 10,000 square miles and only has 7,600 residents - 4400 of which live within ten miles of Burns. None of the radio stations there cover more than a small portion of the county, and much of the county has no AM/FM radio service at all. However, the entire county has Sirius coverage and 150 kbs satellite internet service.
I've been to Burns. Have you? I've also been to Harney County, as well as nearby Lake County and Malheur County, parts of which are miles and miles of nothing but sagebrush, and the odd, grated entrance to a distant cattle ranch. Harney county is mostly empty desert. The people live in Burns, Hines, a small Indian reservation, and a couple other small hamlets, and the rest live out on a few ranches out in the scrub.

Did you actually look at the listing of stations receivable in Burns? Did you see that the ONLY radio station receivable in the Burns area that has news is the OPB outlet? Or did you just gloss that item over?

And radio is different from a newspaper. Try reading the newspaper while your working on a site, or at an office. Or working on a ranch. Some of the residents out in the isolated areas of the high desert might have Sirius. But Sirius costs money. Public radio is free to the consumer.

Crazy comparison but okay. The oil industry is critical to our well being, our security and military, industry, and US oil production is a key to our day to day lives. Our government spends too much money on things it has no business being involved in, but I am not sure the oil industry is a good example. The steel industry is another similar example.

The oil industry does not need even one dollar of Federal subsidies. Yet it gets Federal subsidies. It's curious at best that conservatives never complain about that incredible waste of money. But they're complaining about CPB.
 
The oil industry does not need even one dollar of Federal subsidies. Yet it gets Federal subsidies.
No, it gets "depletion" allowances which, in non-renewable resource situations is the same concept as depreciation in a factory or technology business.
It's curious at best that conservatives never complain about that incredible waste of money. But they're complaining about CPB.
If you look at the oil and gas industries you can see that depletion of resources is its principle financial concern; while a factory depreciates its installations as it uses them, depletion anticipates the end of production and encourages further exploration and development.

Think of your brand new $100,000 transmitter. You can not write it off the same year you bought it... you can deduct a portion each year while you continue to use it. In the fossil fuel energy field, you are given an incentive to reinvest in further exploration and development while the existing investment becomes, eventually, valueless.
 
You want the government to pay an extra $10 to the people in rural Alaska for service that may not reach them when they're out on the job, or away from a hot spot. $10 extra. That's not savings, that's more government spending, not less.
Not $10 extra... he was comparing public radio costing the people of rural Alaska about $70 per year, while satellite Internet would cost them $80 per month.
 
No, it gets "depletion" allowances which, in non-renewable resource situations is the same concept as depreciation in a factory or technology business.

If you look at the oil and gas industries you can see that depletion of resources is its principle financial concern; while a factory depreciates its installations as it uses them, depletion anticipates the end of production and encourages further exploration and development.

Think of your brand new $100,000 transmitter. You can not write it off the same year you bought it... you can deduct a portion each year while you continue to use it. In the fossil fuel energy field, you are given an incentive to reinvest in further exploration and development while the existing investment becomes, eventually, valueless.
OK, but the US oil industry made $102 Billion last year. How many billions has KSKO made last year? Because that's really what this entire thread is about: small public stations like KSKO, or the small public station in rural Oregon, needing funding to serve rural and Native Americans, while the party that cut those funds just enacted a wasteful spending bill that jacked up the deficit by a couple more trillion.

Why are people so dead set against something like CPB and not dead set against subsidizing companies like Exxon-Mobil and Chevron?

Does Exxon-Mobil really need any of our money? Since when is the US a charity service for corporations that make Billions each year, but if a network of rural public radio stations needs funding all of a sudden it's time to act like it's going to break the entire back of the US economy?
 
As I have now mentioned several times, each area in the country, each state and even each county and city has unique or at least separate needs.

In that rural Alaskan environment, the simple and traditional service of a low power FM (or a network of them) is easy to use and requires limited, off the shelf traditional technology.

I'm a former station chief engineer, so am sort of a "techie". Yet I seem to have a never ending battle that has lasted years and years with WiFi signals, log-ins, passwords, and more. A little radio in the kitchen is so much simpler and devoid of all the higher technology issues that seemingly many neither want nor need in this situation.
Fair enough - that simplicity is perfect for some people. The "I forget the passwords" statement is interesting though. Seems like a minor thing to deal with to improve the situation significantly, but that is why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors - everybody is different.
 
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