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Who got the revenue from the Fox Sports broadcasts?

If it's FSN, I understand them paying the salaries, since they're benefiting from the broadcast. In the Cowboys case, from what i've been told and from what FlyontheWall posted, Jerry sets the salary, takes the money from the spots, but has someone else pay the salary.

As is, it looks like Jerry has a sweetheart deal. He collects all the money from the broadcast, AND has someone else pay basic expenses (salary) involved with creating that broadcast.

If you believe this
Effective this coming season, CBS gets to pay all the production expenses. Brad, Babe, et al are contract employees of CBS.
CBS is not only getting no inventory to sell, but is on the hook to Jerry for what, hundreds of thousands of dollars in expenses and salaries, JUST for the privlege of calling themselves the Cowboys station?
 
little1 said:
Who got the revenue from the Fox Sports broadcasts?

If it's FSN, I understand them paying the salaries, since they're benefiting from the broadcast. In the Cowboys case, from what i've been told and from what FlyontheWall posted, Jerry sets the salary, takes the money from the spots, but has someone else pay the salary.

I remember that Fox got what they sold and the Rangers got what they sold with radio, signage and other co marketing deals. I read the contract, but with so much legalease, it was hard to understand.
 
little1 said:
But who sets the salary? And who decides what teh correct level of expenses are?

From what I've been told, that's where Cumulus balked. Jerry wanted to set the levels, and let Cumulus write the check. So if Jerry decided to double Brad and Babe's salary, someone else would pay it. If Jerry decided to book people into the 4 Seasons Hotel while on the road, someone else would pay for it...

Like I said, great deal if you can swing it, but financially irresponsible for a company to allow someone else to negotiate contracts that they will be paying...

So here's a look back and a little history. You are quite correct about why Cumulus walked away from their deal with Jerry, exercising a 3rd year out-clause. Jerry wanted to re-do their deal that would have The Ticket paying a "mini-rights" fee of about 1/2 million dollars annually. That would presumably offset all the production costs (plus I'd guess a little extra to line Jerry's pocket!). Already being #1 in the ratings, seeing no particular results from the previous two years of being the "Official Voice of the Dallas Cowboys"...and certainly receiving no MONEY other than from a couple of special clients like Belvedere Vodka resulting from Corby's endorsement deals (plus having to air that dreadful "shoulder prrgramming" during the week...those horrible Hooter's and Glass Cactus shows the Cowboys crammed down The Ticket's throat!), Dan Bennett walked in to Jerry's office one morning after the season was over, saying bye-bye. Valley Ranch was SHOCKED! No one ever dismisses the great and powerful OZ! Those of us still employed at Cumulus back then (prior to the many "Black Friday" layoffs at Maple) actually received an email from Dan's assistant prior to his arrival at Valley Ranch, advising us of what was about to happen. Life still goes on quite well for The Little Ticket, they continue to produce a FAR superior pre & post game than anyone else, and last I looked...HA...they're STILL #1 !

Enter the current itteration of what some would have the nerve to refer to as "CBS." After flipping 105.3 to a so-called sports station in 12/08...Purdy, Henry, with Spittle in tow and that idiot Bigby pulling the reigns, all beat a path to Jerry's office. There had already been massive behind-the-scenes lobbying between the CBS brain-trust and certain ex-CBS people, now employed as staff at the Cowboys, so the paths were apparently well greased. It was almost halftime of the first pre-season game broadcast before a true "deal" was finalized (OK, I exaggerate there, but not by much!), mainly due to Jerry again insisting on getting that half-mill $ fee. OR...he would consider a Plan B: Rather than reimburse the Cowboys for production expenses, CBS had the option of simply taking over all those expenses directly. They could (and in fact DID) contract (or perhaps better said, NON-contract!) with Brad, Babe, Kristi, and the booth producer. At LEAST two of those individuals were forced to take CONSIDERABLE cuts in pay, and receive NO CBS employee benefits...IF they wanted to keep their gigs. And it was made quite clear that neither CBS nor Jerry really cared if the same "broadcast team" remained in place or not. Hey, Jerry was happy...he gets to keep all the inventory money, while spending essentially nothing to produce the game broadcasts. CBS was happy, be able to call themselves the "Official Station of THE Dallas Cowbuys...AND getting to keep the difference between what little money they are paying out vs. that half-million mini-rights fee. I'll bet certain local management even received bonuses for their creative and insightful deal-making! CBS also agreed to air all those wonderful mid-week shows, having little else to fill the airwaves with. But the icing on the cake...CBS would give the Cowboys something they have always dreamed of: their long-sought-after VERY OWN RADIO STATION!!! Nevermind the fact that it would be 105.3 HD-3!!! Cowboys executives and their plebes hardly knew the difference between AM & FM...and besides "HD-3" sounds cool...kinda like HD Television, so it must be GREAT! Wow, they must have said to one another, "an FM big-stick for the games and the incredible power of this ground breaking HD-3 technology" to spread the Cowboys party line any way they saw fit. What a genius move! "Why didn't someone else ever offer us that before?" Well, THAT was clearly the final straw...Jerry joyfully signs a record long-term deal radio deal with CBS-Dallas, reminising at the press conference about his wonderful memories of when he signed his original radio deal "with CBS and KRLD's Ron Chapman!" Rich, you really should prepare Jerry better. Yes, that "original deal" was indeed with Ron Chapman, but it took the Cowboys broadcasts AWAY from KRLD, which at the time wasn't even OWNED by CBS. I'll bet Ron laughed loudly when he heard that! I'm surprised Jerry even remembered Ron's name. Jerry has problems with names...

So here we are a year later. How's all that working out? Listen closely to the 2010 pre-season games and see for yourselves. I predict many differences.
 
I guess that KTCK walked away from the deal. Like I said earlier, having those spots BEFORE AND AFTER the Ranch Report just killed the programming flow. Now Jerry tells KTCK to add $500,000.00 to the pot as well. The Ticket did not need the Cowboys at that point. The Fan needed instant credibility so they paid for it. So far it has helped them a tad bit, but being No. 1 Men 25-54......not so much buddy.
 
The difference between Dallas and D.C. is Snyder actually owns his station. So you can expect lots of burgundy Kool-Aid there.
 
I think a lot of listeners were tuning into the Saints games on KWKH 1130 instead.

I heard the Super Bowl champions are getting an AM affiliate in Tyler, KTBB.
 
Is anyone carrying Cowboy games in Tyler?

How big is the Cowboy network these days and why aren't there more stations on it?
 
The Saints will be on KYZS in Tyler.

The Cowboys are on KTBB.

Initially, I thought it was the other way around.

As far as, "why aren't there more stations on it," is concerned, the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network is probably the biggest in the NFL. It has an affiliate in Memphis, TN as well as West Palm Beach, FL. Impressive.

For the Saints Radio Network, Dallasites can tune into KEEL-AM during the day, and KWKH-AM at night. Also, you can tune into WWL-AM for nighttime coverage of the Saints.
 
Looked at the Saints website, and they are adding another affiliate in Northeast Texas, KRVF 106-9 in Corsicana, so for Saints fans living on Dallas' southeast side, you will have an FM affiliate for Saints Radio. As for the rest of the Who Dat Nation, you will have to pull in KYZS from Tyler...

Unless it is a night game, then you can tune into the flagship station of the Super Bowl Champion New Orleans Saints, WWL 870AM, which comes in clear all across the Metroplex at night.
 
93-3TheSurge said:
Looked at the Saints website, and they are adding another affiliate in Northeast Texas, KRVF 106-9 in Corsicana, so for Saints fans living on Dallas' southeast side, you will have an FM affiliate for Saints Radio. As for the rest of the Who Dat Nation, you will have to pull in KYZS from Tyler...

Unless it is a night game, then you can tune into the flagship station of the Super Bowl Champion New Orleans Saints, WWL 870AM, which comes in clear all across the Metroplex at night.

That's kind of unrealistic, don't you think? KRVF is licensed to Kerens, with a tower east of Corsicana, and as such is located in north central, not northeast Texas. Its puny signal has virtually no impact in the Dallas-Fort Worth market, with city-grade signal ending in Ellis County, not to mention adjacent-channel interference from KZZA 106.7.

KYZS in Tyler, roughly 90 miles east-southeast of Dallas, does well to even make it out of Smith County during the day. At 1490 (the highest "graveyard" channel there is) and with abysmal ground conductivity, the station can't even cover all of the Rose City after sundown. Good reception is generally limited to less than a five mile radius from the KYZS stick.

The only valid observation here would appear to be the one about WWL.

ButtnPushr said:
Who the hell asked, or even cares about the Saints..?

I know I don't, and moreover I'd imagine there's little interest outside of N'awlins and Baton Rouge and nearby locales in Mississippi. Hell, I've long thought of even Shreveport being more of a Cowboys friendly place than a bastion of "Who Dats?" Not so with the Cowboys network, with affiliates all over Texas, and I'm really impressed about them having a Spanish affiliate in Mexico City: www.977.com.mx/dallascowboys/
 
ButtnPushr said:
Who the hell asked, or even cares about the Saints..?

Who the hell cares about the Super Bowl Champion New Orleans Saints? Is that what you actually asked? Well, everyone, of course. Several of the calls made to WWL 870AM during Super Bowl week were out of the Metroplex. Dallas Cowboys are America's team no more. The New Orleans Saints now have that distinction due to winning Super Bowl XLIV despite the destruction of Hurricane Katrina just four years prior.

And as far as no one caring about the Saints outside "N'awlins," that couldn't be further from the truth. The Saints, through good times and bad, have always had one of the strongest regional fan bases in the Gulf South, which extends from Port Arthur to Pensacola.

Also, there are definitely more Saints fans in Shreveport than Cowboys fans. There are a respectable amount of Cowboys fans in Shreveport, however. Saints fans in Shreveport spill over into Northeast Texas, but I wouldn't say there are more Saints fans than Cowboys fans in the Tyler-Longview area.

If what you say is true about the KYZS stick, then that is disappointing, but I know for a fact that KRVF 106-9 in Corsicana goes to the Southeast suburbs of Dallas. I'm not saying it goes to downtown or anything.

Here is one more valid observation: The New Orleans Saints are Super Bowl Champions!!!
 
I Did Listen To That Game on 1130 during The Superbowl. WWL Streamed the first quarter until they yanked it. Dare I Say Who Dat?
 
LibertyNT said:
I Did Listen To That Game on 1130 during The Superbowl. WWL Streamed the first quarter until they yanked it. Dare I Say Who Dat?

ButtnPushr, I guess that answers your question!

Liberty, did you try pulling in WWL 870AM during the Super Bowl? I was able to pull in both KWKH 1130 and WWL from Austin, and WWL came in clear as a bell. I always have trouble pulling in 1130 in Dallas, however.

WHO DAT!
 
I listened all night too, Jerry. Sports Radio doesn't get much better than that. Bobby Hebert is more passionate about the Saints than any other talk show host in the game. The callers were overcome with joy, exclaiming, "This is the greatest day of my life" or, "I can die now." Just great radio.
 
93-3TheSurge said:
I listened all night too, Jerry. Sports Radio doesn't get much better than that. Bobby Hebert is more passionate about the Saints than any other talk show host in the game. The callers were overcome with joy, exclaiming, "This is the greatest day of my life" or, "I can die now." Just great radio.

I also stayed up far too late listening to the Big 870 after the SB win. WWL really sounds like the unique city that is New Orleans. Deke and Bobby were passionate, that's for sure. It did sound like Hebert may have been celebrating Crescent City style as his words were not as well-formed as the night went on. :)

And of course, during the Katrina coverage, WWL was fascinating listening with Spud McConnell and Garland Robinette.
 
93-3TheSurge said:
ButtnPushr said:
Who the hell asked, or even cares about the Saints..?

The Saints, through good times and bad, have always had one of the strongest regional fan bases in the Gulf South, which extends from Port Arthur to Pensacola.
Also, there are definitely more Saints fans in Shreveport than Cowboys fans. There are a respectable amount of Cowboys fans in Shreveport, however.
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That may be so but from a radio perspective in Texas it really doesn't matter. If those stations had the rights to the westwood one or the other network that carries two nfl games each (can't think of the name..I think Don Criqui is involved) either way, those games of the week would probably have a similar number of listeners.
In terms of just actual numbers, there's more Saints interest now because of the superbowl but traditionally the Saints are in the bottom half to third of the league in overall fan support. They get no road support at all. If the Saints play in Dallas they have a couple of thousand fans but if Cowboys are in new Orleans half the stadium have cowboy jerseys. Not sure how that translates to radio ratings on small town stations but it makes sense to run the games this coming year if you have the opportunity...same way WBAP may try to make a few extra bucks this year on TCU coming off all their success.
 
tomficker said:
In terms of just actual numbers, there's more Saints interest now because of the superbowl but traditionally the Saints are in the bottom half to third of the league in overall fan support. They get no road support at all.

Well said, tom. The Saints were losers for so long, and yes I think it's great that they won it all. But this is about continuing support for the team and I expect that any Saints broadcasts on Texas stations will be short-lived. The die-hard fans will stick with the Saints, but I still believe the majority of them live in the primary coverage area of WWL.
 
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