Cozi-tv Network

[TLBSQ9]

This new station which is simular to Metv and Antenna TV will be on WMAQ-TV ch. 5.2 NBC-TV in Chicago, Ill. on Jan. 1st 2013. Too bad that WTMJ-TV ch. 4 probably won't carry Cozi-TV on one of their sub channels like on ch. 4.4. Tom

 

[nathannah]

The last thing WTMJ needs is more subchannels. WDJT somehow has done it well without compromising much of the video quality of 58.1 (though it takes starving 58.4 to near anorexic broadcast quality), but 4.1 already has the lowest bitrate of any of the Milwaukee major affiliates in HD and is hardly crisp or clear because of the foolish thinking people actually want to watch public television's Create done commercially and terribly over on Live Well.

I just don't see them dumping Live Well or AccuWeather at all, and the schedule for Cozi is about 60% the same as that of RTV, which didn't do well at all on WITI two years ago. With Weigel being smart and making sure MeTV did well here before taking it national, Cozi has no chance to catch on in Milwaukee, and the only places I could see it are as a WIWN subchannel (unlikely as they just want to get the must-carry up first on 68.1) or WPVS-LD, which may never go on the air at all.

 

[TLBSQ9]

WTMJ-TV ch. 4 doesn't have to drop Living Well Network or Accuweather channels, just put Cozitv on ch. 4.4. Don't forget there's room for ninety-nine sub channels on each regular channel. Tom

 

[tripinva]

WTMJ-TV ch. 4 doesn't have to drop Living Well Network or Accuweather channels, just put Cozitv on ch. 4.4. Don't forget there's room for ninety-nine sub channels on each regular channel. Tom

No, there isn't. Could they have 99 channels? Yes. Would any of them be watchable? Not in the least.

- Trip

 

[dave73]

The last thing WTMJ needs is more subchannels. WDJT somehow has done it well without compromising much of the video quality of 58.1 (though it takes starving 58.4 to near anorexic broadcast quality), but 4.1 already has the lowest bitrate of any of the Milwaukee major affiliates in HD and is hardly crisp or clear because of the foolish thinking people actually want to watch public television's Create done commercially and terribly over on Live Well.

I just don't see them dumping Live Well or AccuWeather at all, and the schedule for Cozi is about 60% the same as that of RTV, which didn't do well at all on WITI two years ago. With Weigel being smart and making sure MeTV did well here before taking it national, Cozi has no chance to catch on in Milwaukee, and the only places I could see it are as a WIWN subchannel (unlikely as they just want to get the must-carry up first on 68.1) or WPVS-LD, which may never go on the air at all.

The reason RTV did not do well in Milwaukee, is because WITI was forced to pre-empt over half of the schedule, due to Weigel having the rights to the same programs that RTV did, when MeTV was programmed locally in Milwaukee.

As for WIWN, it might be possible to get must carry on cable in the Milwaukee market, but not on satellite. Since Fond Du Lac is licensed to the Green Bay market, satellite can not add it to the Milwaukee local channel lineup, since this station is licensed within the Green Bay market, though broadcasting from Milwaukee. Something the FCC should not have allowed, since it creates a problem for must carry on satellite (maybe for cable too, though not as hard).

For Cozi TV, WTMJ-TV already signed an affiliate agreement for Livewell Network, & they don't have room to add any additional subchannels, without having to reduce the bitrate for 4.1 even more, & affecting the HD channel even more. I don't know why WISN hasn't added any subchannels, nor their decision to have their station in 1080i, when ABC is 720p. I actually don't know how NBC plans to market Cozi TV, if they're gonna go after non-NBC affiliates as well, or go strictly with NBC affiliates. That was the reason Nonstop failed, as the programming was NBC produced programming. At least in Chicago, some shows that are seen on WMAQ-TV's main channel are also being shown on Cozi TV in the evening hours (were also shown on Nonstop when that network was around). At least ABC was smart to program Livewell Network to where it can be marketed outside of ABC O&O & ABC affiliates. If Cozi is getting marketed to NBC affiliates only, then this network will fail as well, since many NBC affiliates either have no additional room to add subchannels, or you have an affiliate that refuses to add subchannels.

 

[nathannah]

Yes, WITI's RTV resembled more a public domain graveyard than a functioning network, but they did have some good Fox library shows. Still, it didn't do well, and has been the usual mode of WITI under Local TV management, horribly advertised (at least with Antenna Tribune and Local's sharing agreement keeps some advertising and promotion consistency), and RTV's terminally lousy promo department certainly didn't do a great job either.

WISN hasn't added any subchannels because every subchannel deal Hearst has nationally has is on something else in Milwaukee; AccuWeather is with WTMJ and WMVS, and Me and This are on Weigel. They went to 1080i like all Hearst stations for master control and advertising consistencies (better to give the big three stations all 1080i ads rather than cutting several formats for the 720p and 480i stations).

I could see a small possibility of Sinclair picking it up once the Country Network carriage expires. Since they only have one NBC affiliate though, it's unlikely.

 

[dave73]

Yes, WITI's RTV resembled more a public domain graveyard than a functioning network, but they did have some good Fox library shows. Still, it didn't do well, and has been the usual mode of WITI under Local TV management, horribly advertised (at least with Antenna Tribune and Local's sharing agreement keeps some advertising and promotion consistency), and RTV's terminally lousy promo department certainly didn't do a great job either.

WISN hasn't added any subchannels because every subchannel deal Hearst has nationally has is on something else in Milwaukee; AccuWeather is with WTMJ and WMVS, and Me and This are on Weigel. They went to 1080i like all Hearst stations for master control and advertising consistencies (better to give the big three stations all 1080i ads rather than cutting several formats for the 720p and 480i stations).

I could see a small possibility of Sinclair picking it up once the Country Network carriage expires. Since they only have one NBC affiliate though, it's unlikely.

Nothing is stoppping Sinclair from picking up Cozi-TV in Milwaukee, since WVTV has no subchannels (providing Cozi can go on non-NBC affiliated stations).

 

[FightingIrish]

Yes, WITI's RTV resembled more a public domain graveyard than a functioning network, but they did have some good Fox library shows. Still, it didn't do well, and has been the usual mode of WITI under Local TV management, horribly advertised (at least with Antenna Tribune and Local's sharing agreement keeps some advertising and promotion consistency), and RTV's terminally lousy promo department certainly didn't do a great job either.

WISN hasn't added any subchannels because every subchannel deal Hearst has nationally has is on something else in Milwaukee; AccuWeather is with WTMJ and WMVS, and Me and This are on Weigel. They went to 1080i like all Hearst stations for master control and advertising consistencies (better to give the big three stations all 1080i ads rather than cutting several formats for the 720p and 480i stations).

I could see a small possibility of Sinclair picking it up once the Country Network carriage expires. Since they only have one NBC affiliate though, it's unlikely.

Nothing is stoppping Sinclair from picking up Cozi-TV in Milwaukee, since WVTV has no subchannels (providing Cozi can go on non-NBC affiliated stations).

Sinclair seems to do everything in group deals, though. Witness Tube, CoolTV, TCN, etc. It's all or nothing.

So, until they strike a deal with them, Cozi likely won't appear on a Milwaukee subchannel. WTMJ is full, until at least the LiveWell deal expires. WITI already has Antenna, which their owner has a deal with. WISN depends on what Hearst wants to do with it. WVTV and WCGV are Sinclair. It's groupthink, and they need to sort out their moving issues before they do anything else. And the Weigel stations, though they like cramming 49 and 58 with the latest new subchannel networks, doesn't want to encourage competition with their own MeTV. Then there's that new alleged Milwaukee weather station on 68 that nobody can pick up because it's on low VHF.

All that aside, it would make sense for Sinclair to start striking subchannel deals. They do run quite a few duopolies.

 

[dave73]

Yes, WITI's RTV resembled more a public domain graveyard than a functioning network, but they did have some good Fox library shows. Still, it didn't do well, and has been the usual mode of WITI under Local TV management, horribly advertised (at least with Antenna Tribune and Local's sharing agreement keeps some advertising and promotion consistency), and RTV's terminally lousy promo department certainly didn't do a great job either.

WISN hasn't added any subchannels because every subchannel deal Hearst has nationally has is on something else in Milwaukee; AccuWeather is with WTMJ and WMVS, and Me and This are on Weigel. They went to 1080i like all Hearst stations for master control and advertising consistencies (better to give the big three stations all 1080i ads rather than cutting several formats for the 720p and 480i stations).

I could see a small possibility of Sinclair picking it up once the Country Network carriage expires. Since they only have one NBC affiliate though, it's unlikely.

Nothing is stoppping Sinclair from picking up Cozi-TV in Milwaukee, since WVTV has no subchannels (providing Cozi can go on non-NBC affiliated stations).

Sinclair seems to do everything in group deals, though. Witness Tube, CoolTV, TCN, etc. It's all or nothing.

So, until they strike a deal with them, Cozi likely won't appear on a Milwaukee subchannel. WTMJ is full, until at least the LiveWell deal expires. WITI already has Antenna, which their owner has a deal with. WISN depends on what Hearst wants to do with it. WVTV and WCGV are Sinclair. It's groupthink, and they need to sort out their moving issues before they do anything else. And the Weigel stations, though they like cramming 49 and 58 with the latest new subchannel networks, doesn't want to encourage competition with their own MeTV. Then there's that new alleged Milwaukee weather station on 68 that nobody can pick up because it's on low VHF.

All that aside, it would make sense for Sinclair to start striking subchannel deals. They do run quite a few duopolies.

Weigel Broadcasting definitely won't pick up Cozi TV. They picked up Bounce, since they feel that they can market the network on their stations better than the competition. Also (at least in Chicago), they tend to program their stations to have certain timeslots devoted to african american viewers on WCIU. I don't know if WMLW is programmed similar to WCIU.

As for stations that are picking up the Cozi-TV network, most are NBC affiliates, but a few non-NBC affiliates are picking up the network as well. I don't know what goes in timeslots that would have programming that's on the NBC network as well. Also, I noticed that NBC O&O stations are keeping Cozi as a widescreen 480i channel. At least 2 affiliates that picked up Cozi also carry Antenna TV & I believe MeTV as well. So I don't believe anything is being done to stop dual affiliations. In one of the smaller, rural markets, 1 station carries both Antenna TV & MeTV on the same station (different subchannels though).

 

[dave73]

I was half asleep when I posted my last comment. To FightingIrish: You say no one can get a VHF Lo station such as WIWN on RF 5. I can tell you that if you have an outdoor antenna optimized for VHF-Lo, you can in fact get that station. It won't work with rabbit ears, but an outdoor antenna it does. I'm using an Antennacraft CS600 antenna that I use for getting Chicago's Class A digital station, WOCK-CD on RF 4. I also have a pre-amp to get that station, since it's only at 300 watts. Up to 30 - 40 miles from WIWN, you can get WIWN without a pre-amp, when using a VHF antenna, optimized for VHF-Lo. I know, because I was one of a few that got WBBM-TV when they were on RF 3 during pre-transitional digital. WBBM-TV was only at 2.8kw during pre-transitional digital, while WIWN is at 9kw. So don't tell it's impossible. I have heard of people from South Bend Indiana getting WOCK-CD with their puny 300 watt signal. It might be possible that same station could be picked up in Milwaukee as well, since 4 & 5 aren't adjacent channels in the sense of frequencies.