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CRB denies motion for a rehearing

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From: http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/news/041607/index.shtml#B_story

"The Copyright Royalty Board has denied all parties' motion for rehearing of the ruling.
The Board claimed that the motions introduced no new evidence and were therefore legally insufficient.

The CRB did not offer any type of clarification or additional information surrounding the minimum $500 fee per channel imposed by the new ruling.

Webcasters still hold out hope for negotiations with the record industry, action in the appellate court or legislative relief."

As the last sentence indicates, it's time to take this fight to a higher level.

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i am very sad about this, i been listening to internet radio for about 3 to 4 years. before that cd's for about 5 years. hopefully something can be worked out or go to a higher court or get help from very powerful persons. i always hear music that radio has never play, it probably tarnish the copyright board and will also lose alot more money than they where getting. people like me will go back to listening to cd's again. i hopeful that something will be worked out. thanks
 
i hopeful that something will be worked out.

We're talking big Government, here. A showboat Congress. A Senate that is far from "non-partisan." With the stack of work before it, Internet Radio will need a LOT of grassroots support and more than a groundswell ... it will need a tidal wave.

The record labels, RIAA and SoundExchange have hugely deep pockets and political influence.

This will take a major effort with little time left.

Write those letters to your elected representatives in Washington today or it's back to AM, FM, XM & Sirrius ... or the international webcasters to entertain us.

It will be "Radio Hell" instead of "Radio Paradise."
 
Will this ruling affect 'Indie' webcasters and garage bands that use the internet as a medium to distribute and get their music out?

I can't believe this ruling would affect anyone besides the major record labels?

Chime me in anyone?

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
Will this ruling affect 'Indie' webcasters and garage bands that use the internet as a medium to distribute and get their music out?

I can't believe this ruling would affect anyone besides the major record labels?

Chime me in anyone?

Radiopilot

As I understand the ruling, if the band or artist has signed with a record label and/or the music is registered with one of the major publishers then, yes, their internet stream will be impacted.

If it's just a band or artist who self publishes and distributes their music then their internet stream will not be affected by the CRB ruling. Of course, if that band or artist records a cover of another band's or artist's song and the song has been published by one of the major music publishers then only that song will be affected and only the publishing fees will be collected, not performance fees.

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The Dude said:
I THINK ALL INTERNET RADIO STATIONS SHOULD JUST STAY ONLINE!!

THEY CANT GET ALL OF THEM!!!!!

I agree wholeheartedly. AND I think the stations who do stay online should continue paying the royalty rates at the pre-hike levels! As one of the guys over on another board said, this was a decision made by the CRB on behalf of nothing but a bunch of greedy bastards, and I personally would love nothing more than to see everyone on the right side of the issue piss them off by paying what they truly owe, not what they want to be owed.
 
Josh C. said:
The Dude said:
I THINK ALL INTERNET RADIO STATIONS SHOULD JUST STAY ONLINE!!

THEY CANT GET ALL OF THEM!!!!!

I agree wholeheartedly. AND I think the stations who do stay online should continue paying the royalty rates at the pre-hike levels! As one of the guys over on another board said, this was a decision made by the CRB on behalf of nothing but a bunch of greedy bastards, and I personally would love nothing more than to see everyone on the right side of the issue piss them off by paying what they truly owe, not what they want to be owed.

I'm kind of thinking the opposite; that internet broadcasters should shut down en masse. Remember when Ross Perot warned of a "great sucking sound" should Congress vote for NAFTA? I think the RIAA and the record industry in general should experience their own 'sucking sound' as revenues from webcasters suddenly dry up.

And, in the end, I think this is what will happen anyway. I mean, how can any webcaster remain alive after paying royalties all the way back to January 1, 2006 and then have their payments increase 300 to 1200% thereafter or fight a lawsuit with the RIAA for failure to pay?

The only aspect of this (I'm assuming) that a webcaster has control of is what he/she reports to SoundExchange. Frankly, their Excel spreadsheet is way too complex to allow for accurate reporting. :)

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Another alternative is to do what pirate broadcasters did and go off-shore. The Copyright Royalty Board’s rates are effective only in the U.S.

And it maybe that many webcasters will do this thereby taking their business beyond the influence of the CRB and RIAA.

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The new rules will wreak havoc on all webcast operations. Internet webcasters, whether they play all-Indie, "unsigned" artists or "major label' music will have several problems.

First, the CRB ruling mandates that ALL webcasters will still have to adapt to the new reporting methods of supplying music logs/playlists for two weeks out of every quarter - no exceptions. A major hassle, an expensive one to do and, now, a must for all webcasters (outside of terrestrial radio stations.)

The CRB ruling mandates the royalty fees are payable to Sound Exchange to subsidize Labels and Artists (performers) whether they are signed by a major label or not. Any music played counts. This is a "performance" fee/royalty to labels and artists, not the usual "composter/publisher" royalty fee paid to ASCAP, BMI & SESAC.

In other words, you play it, you report it...or you don't broadcast.

Second, the offshore idea will not work, either, as the "origination" stream -- if it comes from the US or is distributed back to a "US audience" - including advertising geared for US listeners, will allow the shutdown of streams through the US Internet provider, effectively blocking the webcast, no matter where it is broadcast.

Without a record of what is being played and submitted to SoundExchange, royalties and fees of the country launching the broadcast will also have to be paid...an even more expensive proposition.

Tough to get around these rules.

There are, as you may be aware, webcasters in Europe that are only allowed to stream inside their own countries after paying the performance right fees applicable to their own countries, which is why a great number of international streams can't be heard here. There are many British webcasters caught in this trap and broadcasting only to their respective territories but not to the USA, without paying the American royalty fees, which many don't.

Third, if the stream is operated out-of-country, then international copyrights (be it in Canada or elsewhere) will have to be paid by the streaming webcaster.

Fourth, terrestrial FM & AM stations, including HD2 stations that stream are still exempt from paying the new royalty fees, while sole-webcasters have to pay from 300% to 1200% higher rates than before. Terrestrial radio pays composer/publisher royalties only.

Finally, and most important ... the RIAA, SoundExchange, the major labels are very powerful with technology, deep pockets and very high priced legal counsel.

Despite how listeners respond with outrage to the Copyright Royalty Board decisions, unless Congress makes new mandates to block the newest decision, the fees for last year and this year are to be collected on May 15th. The higher royalty fee goes into effect on that date, with the old calculation (with the new rates) effective on an "Average Listener Hour" (as it is now) until year end.

Then, the new formula of every song for every listener royalty fee goes into effect.

The paperwork rule is now in effect, as well.

It will take more than petitions and prodding of legislators in Congress on this issue (though it will help.) The key, should this go to the US Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia will be HUGE $$$$ for legal counsel, to meet and match that of the "other side."

To that, the Court of Appeals may not even accept the case.

Congress is going to have to step in and within a month to block this ... but that is a slim chance. The chance that an Appeals Court would reverse the CRB Ruling is even slimmer.

This is a bad precedent and an unfortunate one.

Even the biggest webcasters are affected by this ruling, including Yahoo! Music, MSN, AOL, Live365, Radio Stations (that won't want to pay any higher rates to stream) and many many small-to-large webcasters including Pandora, Radio Paradise, Kurt Hanson's online stations and more.

May 15th, without the help of petitions, monetary efforts and willing a willing Congress will be the "Day the Music Died" (again) on the Internet.

A shame.
 
It won't just be the day the music died on the Internet... it will be the day the music died period. That's for two reasons: one, the royalty agencies have already said traditional radio is next. Two, the Internet is where the next generation is, and traditional radio has entirely alienated them. They don't care about traditional radio; it's not relevant to them because traditional radio never saw them as being relevant. That being the case, traditional radio has essentially sentenced itself to death.

If Congress doesn't step in, the music will be dead outright.
 
oaktree said:
Fourth, terrestrial FM & AM stations, including HD2 stations that stream are still exempt from paying the new royalty fees, while sole-webcasters have to pay from 300% to 1200% higher rates than before. Terrestrial radio pays composer/publisher royalties only.

I'm certainly not happy about the current state of affairs, but as far as I know, terrestrial broadcasters who stream also have to pay Sound Exchange. At least, out station has been doing so for several years. The only saving grace I know of is non-commercial terrestrial broadcasters who stream will pay a flat rate of $500 unless their Internet listening surpasses something in the order of 196,000 aggregate tuning hours per month. I think that works to about 225 listeners continuously for 24 hours, seven days a week. Most stations don't have that many listeners (although some certainly do - and it looks like they are screwed).

Am I missing something?
 
Just a thought that popped into my head...

Can SoundExchange and the RIAA get nailed on antitrust violations? After all, when it comes to music, they are virtually the only game in town, particularly SE.

Might be something that Congress could tackle. Oh, wait - many of them are already in the music industry's back pocket, particularly Sensenbrenner.
 
You're right, Chuck. Traditional stations do have to pay SoundExchage for their streams as well.

By the way, I have little hope of Congress overturning this. I've now written three letters/faxes (sent them both ways all three times) to all three of my Congresscritters and none of them have responded. I'm hearing similar stories all over the place. So much for being a representative republic.
 
Playing devil's advocate here. If everyone, except the big Internet streams everyone knows about just keep on going as normal what is the CRB going to do? They can't shut everyone down. There's too many out there. It'll be the RIAA thing. They will only bring to court the people that won't fight. That's why the RIAA sues little kids and Blue-hairs. Why? Cause otherwise they will lose. Imagine the RIAA suing a music lover with lots of money and friends in the industry that he can parade in court about all the money the RIAA has stolen from them.

I've been doing Internet radio for six years. I've played artists and bands on purpose and I check in on them to see if they are getting paid every so often. The answer has always been not just no, but "Hell no."

This ruling will have the same result. Because if they bring someone to court that will fight, Soundexchange will lose because this is a violation of Antitrust laws. I don't have much faith that Congress will do anything in this regard but I have more faith in a Democrat controlled Congress than a Republican controlled on this issue (cause Dems love wasting tax dollars on vote buying programs for the arts). This will go all the way to the Supreme Court.

BTW: Does anyone see a connection here between this ruling and the Sirius/XM merger? I do. Wiping out Internet Radio wipes out a lot of the competition Sirius/XM claim to have. Wiping out Internet Radio reduces the chance that the merger will be approved IMHO. You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you want.
 
oaktree said:
The new rules will wreak havoc on all webcast operations. Internet webcasters, whether they play all-Indie, "unsigned" artists or "major label' music will have several problems.

First, the CRB ruling mandates that ALL webcasters will still have to adapt to the new reporting methods of supplying music logs/playlists for two weeks out of every quarter - no exceptions. A major hassle, an expensive one to do and, now, a must for all webcasters (outside of terrestrial radio stations.)

The CRB ruling mandates the royalty fees are payable to Sound Exchange to subsidize Labels and Artists (performers) whether they are signed by a major label or not. Any music played counts. This is a "performance" fee/royalty to labels and artists, not the usual "composter/publisher" royalty fee paid to ASCAP, BMI & SESAC.

In other words, you play it, you report it...or you don't broadcast.

Second, the offshore idea will not work, either, as the "origination" stream -- if it comes from the US or is distributed back to a "US audience" - including advertising geared for US listeners, will allow the shutdown of streams through the US Internet provider, effectively blocking the webcast, no matter where it is broadcast.

Without a record of what is being played and submitted to SoundExchange, royalties and fees of the country launching the broadcast will also have to be paid...an even more expensive proposition.

Tough to get around these rules.

There are, as you may be aware, webcasters in Europe that are only allowed to stream inside their own countries after paying the performance right fees applicable to their own countries, which is why a great number of international streams can't be heard here. There are many British webcasters caught in this trap and broadcasting only to their respective territories but not to the USA, without paying the American royalty fees, which many don't.

Third, if the stream is operated out-of-country, then international copyrights (be it in Canada or elsewhere) will have to be paid by the streaming webcaster.

Fourth, terrestrial FM & AM stations, including HD2 stations that stream are still exempt from paying the new royalty fees, while sole-webcasters have to pay from 300% to 1200% higher rates than before. Terrestrial radio pays composer/publisher royalties only.

Finally, and most important ... the RIAA, SoundExchange, the major labels are very powerful with technology, deep pockets and very high priced legal counsel.

Despite how listeners respond with outrage to the Copyright Royalty Board decisions, unless Congress makes new mandates to block the newest decision, the fees for last year and this year are to be collected on May 15th. The higher royalty fee goes into effect on that date, with the old calculation (with the new rates) effective on an "Average Listener Hour" (as it is now) until year end.

Then, the new formula of every song for every listener royalty fee goes into effect.

The paperwork rule is now in effect, as well.

It will take more than petitions and prodding of legislators in Congress on this issue (though it will help.) The key, should this go to the US Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia will be HUGE $$$$ for legal counsel, to meet and match that of the "other side."

To that, the Court of Appeals may not even accept the case.

Congress is going to have to step in and within a month to block this ... but that is a slim chance. The chance that an Appeals Court would reverse the CRB Ruling is even slimmer.

This is a bad precedent and an unfortunate one.

Even the biggest webcasters are affected by this ruling, including Yahoo! Music, MSN, AOL, Live365, Radio Stations (that won't want to pay any higher rates to stream) and many many small-to-large webcasters including Pandora, Radio Paradise, Kurt Hanson's online stations and more.

May 15th, without the help of petitions, monetary efforts and willing a willing Congress will be the "Day the Music Died" (again) on the Internet.

A shame.

As I understand the CRB ruling, it applies to what is termed a "compulsory license" as described on the DWT website:

"This royalty comes about as the result of a “compulsory license” which allows Internet broadcasters to use music without the explicit permission of the artists and copyright holder, provided that the broadcaster pays this royalty fee and complies with certain usage restrictions... In order to qualify for the compulsory license, an Internet radio station must meet a number of requirements. If these requirements are not met, and the webcaster does not, through some private negotiation with the copyright holder, directly obtain permission to use the music in its transmission, then the webcaster has violated the law and is subject to damages and penalties for copyright infringement."

So in the case of a webcaster who plays his/her own music or has made direct arrangements with the artist(s), such a webcaster would not be subject to the fees as set forth by the CRB. In fact, many large webcasters and webcasting services such Live 365 are already talking about seeking agreements directly with the record industry.

With respect to paying fees for terrestrial digital streaming (such as through the IBOC system) the DWT site says this:

"The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) required that royalties be paid to the performers for all digital uses of music except those in an over-the-air digital transmission by a broadcast station, e.g. through the Ibiquity digital radio system or as part of a Digital Television stream."

So these fees do not affect broadcasters using HD-Radio.

You can read the entire CRB ruling and what it means here:

http://www.dwt.com/practc/broadcast/bulletins/08-06_InternetRadio.htm

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The five-page denial by the CRB is here: http://www.savenetradio.org

From major webcaster Live365 - home to thousands of streaming stations:

Live365 CEO: New royalties mean "there is no industry"

From webcaster legal representative, David Oxenford:

"David Oxenford, a lawyer representing several Webcasters, said the next step was likely an appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, but he noted that process could take at least a year. Meanwhile, he said, the prospects of successfully getting a court to block the decision of the royalty board judges is slim..."

The mainstream media is now on this as well:

From an AP story in MarketWatch: "Internet radio broadcasters were dealt a setback Monday when a panel of copyright judges threw out requests to reconsider a ruling that raised the royalties they must pay to record companies and artists.
 
Turn out the lights the party's over! "Internet streaming" I lived quite well before it was and I will live quite well after it is gone. Screw the greedy numbskulls!
 
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