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Crestview Radio

Tibbs2 said:
By the way poledo --- you're logic is sane. Just not as sane as Mr. Whitakers in the scheme of things. We've all been
brainwashed to over-compete, over-consume, over-dominate and (in my case) over think (and over post). Over and out.
Oh, believe me, my logic is not at all sane. My post simply stated the potential of 104.7's 100kw signal maximized. I think the current operation of WAAZ is the best darn thing the panhandle has on the dial, FM or AM (or TV for that matter). Ever since they upped power to 50 kw back in the 90's they've had the first spot on my presets. I also believe that Crestview is extremely lucky to have a 100kw local station. If WAAZ sold, they would never mention Crestview again outside of the legal ID and I assume the dial is too crowded to ever squeeze a class A FM into Crestview to replace WAAZ.

Is Mr. Whitaker the older man who does morning and afternoon drive on WAAZ or does he employ a DJ?

If I was to put on my fantasy program director hat and take over WAAZ, the first thing I would do would be to reduce the amount of newer country music and play some more cracklin' 78's. The other change I'd make would be to program some crazy outlaw country after midnight (keep in mind, they sign off air at midnight now). I believe I could keep most of it's current listeners, as long as they lived. Oh, and I think it would be cool to broadcast regular remotes from the Farmers Opry House, maybe even some live shows.

Mr. Genius Eyes
 
Tibbs....I talked to him about a week ago.....he is doing fine as frog hair. Jerry Milligan (ex owner of WCNU) works with Jimmy....I believe he is doing sales....Jerry was mayor of Crestview back in the mid 80s (if I have my dates right).

As Tibbs and I have said before on this list several times, Jimmy Whittaker is one of a kind. If there were more broadcast owner/operators like him, we (the industry) wouldn't be in the shape we are now.

Poledo....he isn't on the air much....mainly he comes in during the Braves games and runs them and makes comments over the top the play by play....the guy you hear on the air is, for lack of a better term, his operations guy.....but he also sells.
 
I've also wondered why WAAZ-FM was never upgraded to a taller stick and moved into either Pensacola or Destin-Fort Walton. My guess is that billing is pretty good where they are. Small-market country FMs can be real cash cows if they have the support of local businesses and listeners. If they moved, they'd have to fight with several established stations for a much smaller slice of the pie.

There's also the question of how close they could move towards Pensacola. 104.9/Moss Point, MS may be a factor here.
 
It shouldn't matter as long as the station covers the city.
Take a look at 98.1 there licensed to HOLT. But that's wasted air to begin with.
(and the transmitter is where? On Hollywood BLVD?)

This is a station that thinks old fashioned. They probably don't have any automation.
If they did, why do they still sign off at 12a?

Least they could do is broadcast in full stereo. But that's beside the point.

This is one of the last few remaining mom and pop operations out there.
and it won't last for long. Unless this economy picks up.

-Rob
 
Tower height in Crestview would be governed by Eglin Air Force base. They have the current antenna on the WJSB AM tower (I think) which wouldn't cost them anything. I'm sure the next owner of WAAZ will move the antenna in with the neighbors (WTKE & WZNS) in downtown Fort Walton.

WAAZ doesn't run many commercials. Most are national spots, part of the CBS news breaks. You really don't hear any commercials outside of morning and afternoon drive time. I doubt they charge farmers for telling the listeners who is harvesting corn or butter beans. There are advertisements during high school sports and Braves baseball. It's very obvious that WAAZ and WJSB are leaving a lot of money on the table and they could make 10 times what they're billing now without making any significant changes.

I'd love to know why they don't milk that station for all the money it's worth, tibbs, cceng, any idea? My best guess would be that radio is just a hobby, they have cash and no debt and use the radio station for a tax write off. Whatever they get for the station when it's eventually sold will surely be more than they've invested in it.
 
poledo said:
Tower height in Crestview would be governed by Eglin Air Force base. They have the current antenna on the WJSB AM tower (I think) which wouldn't cost them anything. I'm sure the next owner of WAAZ will move the antenna in with the neighbors (WTKE & WZNS) in downtown Fort Walton.

WAAZ doesn't run many commercials. Most are national spots, part of the CBS news breaks. You really don't hear any commercials outside of morning and afternoon drive time. I doubt they charge farmers for telling the listeners who is harvesting corn or butter beans. There are advertisements during high school sports and Braves baseball. It's very obvious that WAAZ and WJSB are leaving a lot of money on the table and they could make 10 times what they're billing now without making any significant changes.

I'd love to know why they don't milk that station for all the money it's worth, tibbs, cceng, any idea? My best guess would be that radio is just a hobby, they have cash and no debt and use the radio station for a tax write off. Whatever they get for the station when it's eventually sold will surely be more than they've invested in it.

I perrsonally like the hometown, "cozy feeling" local radio as it is now virtually a lost art. To me it beats anything that corporate "juke box" or "100kw mp3" radio will ever put out considering the big corporate "boys" attitude. On the other hand, there's no doubt that WAAZ could make much more money in Fort Walton Beach and Destin. A tower move closer to the beaches would probably allow them to increase tower height to the full 981 feet and remain 100kw with its current C1 classification. This would blanket the Panhandle.

Next time I'm up that way, I'll definately give The WAZE a listen.

Mark Tillery,
Ocala, Florida
[email protected]
 
This is CCENG on JennyWoo's computer....

Jimmy Whitaker is happy making whatever money he is making. He could make more IF he wanted to. The radio station belongs to him....the radio station plays by HIS rules......he makes plenty of money however much it is. The tower is as high as Jimmy wants it....if he wanted it higher, believe me, it would be higher (as high as Eglin AFB would let him)

As Forrest Gump said "that's all I'm gonna say about that"
 
Jenny Woo said:
This is CCENG on JennyWoo's computer....

Jimmy Whitaker is happy making whatever money he is making. He could make more IF he wanted to. The radio station belongs to him....the radio station plays by HIS rules......he makes plenty of money however much it is. The tower is as high as Jimmy wants it....if he wanted it higher, believe me, it would be higher (as high as Eglin AFB would let him)

As Forrest Gump said "that's all I'm gonna say about that"

If your reply was directed at me relating to anything I've written, you are getting defensive for no reason. I was simply making a comment and that's it!!! Thats what this board is about - making comments and asking questions about RADIO!!!

If you will please note, I gave the owner a rather high compliment in my last post relating to the station. On the other hand the respective owner(s) can do whatever he/she wants to do with it, and I couldn't care less what that might be. Otherwise, if your comments were directed at someone else, kindly disregard my rhetoric here.

And that's all "I'M" going to say about it.

Mark Tillery,
Ocala, Florida
[email protected]
 
poledo said:
I'd love to know why they don't milk that station for all the money it's worth, tibbs, cceng, any idea? My best guess would be that radio is just a hobby, they have cash and no debt and use the radio station for a tax write off. Whatever they get for the station when it's eventually sold will surely be more than they've invested in it.

For those of you bored by me already, you might want to just move on. This one touches my heart to much I guess. Forgive me for being long winded, but
I just have to say this for the sake of those who miss the heart and soul of what once was American radio. FTR, I have not been drinking. I did go trick or
treating with my family and neighbors and loved seeing hundreds of happy families spending time out together, so I am a bit sentimental.

Here goes:


I dunno, cceng, maybe poledo ought to just drop by the studios and say "hi." It's like a historic museum. Complete with the old smell and probably ghosts (I know you hate Halloween rob...boo ;D) You never know, you might get the keys. Look at what you have been saying poledo (btw, you'd be a good candidate
to join in when we all buy WPFM back from Dud-Dud-0 for $50,000 and get Charlie to jam all the Panhandle frequencies below 106.1 --- gotta let Mark keep going at 106.3 and simultcast on WAAZ....don't think that idea didn't cross my mind back in the day....and don't take this as mean toward you, Poledo, I don't mean it that way. From things I have seen you post, "you get it.")

Q by Poledo - "I'd love to know why they don't milk that station for all the money it's worth, tibbs, cceng, any idea?"
A by Tibbs ---Well of course I have an idea --- it would be me without one. Mostly wrong, btw...Jimmy doesn't measure success by dollars. He's the town crier, it's his only love left (unless something has happened after his nice wife passed away that I know not of) --- he charges his friends in business just what he needs. He helps them succeed instead of stealing from them by delivering empty promises like the over promisers in suits on the coast = mind you I have full right to call them this = I was one of them who got caught up in "the game." Milking stations is exactly why radio SUX and why radio is going to fail. It's like a relationship, you have to nurture, love and respect it...not %^&$ it all the time." Jimmy is a good egg. He makes enough to lay his head down at night and
NOT WORRY. Tell that to Mr. OM/PD/GM pulling his hair out trying to cover the uncoverable for his corporate suit quota driven tool hidden away in a palatial
suite big city usa. Point is --- rethink this Poledo --- JIMMY is living the American Dream. Most of us --- miss it because it's never enough. He is not a rat on a wheel. The station pays him in the most valuable commodity --- happiness and peace. I hope that makes sense. $$$ is secondary, so it just flows
naturally to him.


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Q from Poledo -- (okay comment, really) " My best guess would be that radio is just a hobby, they have cash and no debt."
A from Tibbs --- ever heard of one of the smartest, most logical men on the planet? DAVE RAMSEY? Now FOX and radio talk host? The world laughs at him because most people are to brainwashed and trapped to see beyond his simple beliefs. "Debt is dumb, cash is king." It's the truest thing on Earth!
RADIO is his Jimmy's hobby, vocation and life! It's his love. He LOVES what he does. I venture to say probably the only one who really does in the FWB/Destin
market other than Mark "I'm debt free" Carter of WSBZ. No person scared into submission by any other radio group in that market can say 100% they
are not worried from day to day. Jimmy probably has cash and no debt. That equals NO WORRIES. Carefree for the most part. That's worth, oh, a million bucks a year to someone. He's RICH, just in another way. I bet he pays his fair share of taxes. He's as honest as they get and does it by the book . I won't get into why he might go out of business soon based on his tax rate...though.


Q. from Poledo --- again, really a comment -- "Whatever they get for the station when it's eventually sold will surely be more than they've invested in it."
Jimmy, the owner (one person, just him) could make millions and run. It makes sense. Charlie, you have talked to him. I have talked to him. Everybody has. Most, shake their heads, dust off their suits and justify that he's a country bumpkin without a lick of sense. They've got it w-r-o-n-g. They are rats on the wheel convinced that spending millions will make them happy and rich. Won't happen in this market. By comparison --- Look at 98.1 --- moved from hell in the Black Forest to right on 98 and it's not billing what it did when it was Classic Rock with a terrible signal. --- To Jimmy WAAZ is his life, his baby --- it's not an object for sale. At least not now. (If it is Charlie -- e-mail or call me. Semi-kidding, there.) I'd keep it country and I hate country. Jimmy has invested his life in that station --- the station can't be sold for what HE was worth to it. Priceless. The station is worthless to the next person compared to what it paid IN HAPPINESS to Jimmy Whitaker. What a cool toy we'd all love to have. He, though, takes care of it. It'll be with him until he's not able to be with it, I would guess.

I think, I really do, think poledo might see this viewpoint. It's like a foreign language in this country. It's not about the money, here. It's about the lifestyle.
Jimmy's probably the richest person to ever own a station on the Panhandle. But his wealth is not measured by a checking account. Call him crazy, etc. But, I looked in the mirror after I met him and I didn't like what I saw. I am no where close to being like him, but I try. I have no debt, I run things on my own terms. Heck, I even am closing a business tomorrow because it was a business, not a passion. Go meet this man and prepare to see and hear a gentle, unique wildly awesome perspective on what's right. It'll make you feel like a million bucks!

I'm tired. I feel like I've been preachin'. But, you guys listening to WAAZ --- listen a little closer and smile when you know what's on the othe other end of that
radio. A virtual one man show like no where else on Earth. AND, be blessed to know at 106.3 you have a younger version of the same. Mark Carter another one
of a kind who has been laughed at by the corporate boys and beats to his own drum, but outshines the flash every time.

BTW: I'm not Jimmy Whitaker . And he did not approve this message.







My best guess would be that radio is just a hobby, they have cash and no debt and use the radio station for a tax write off. Whatever they get for the station when it's eventually sold will surely be more than they've invested in it.
 
jmtillery said:
A tower move closer to the beaches would probably allow them to increase tower height to the full 981 feet and remain 100kw with its current C1 classification. This would blanket the Panhandle.

The Fort Walton towers are also very close to Eglin. The tallest one they have is less than 500 feet, so they couldn't maximize there. Someone could move WAAZ north to the Alabama state line and go up on a 1000+ foot tower, but that didn't work well for 98.1 so I doubt WAAZ would go that route. I wonder if WAAZ could move to the old WYCL tower north of Pensacola? They might have to go directional to protect 104.9 in Biloxi... or sell to the giant that owns 104.9 in Biloxi, but that site would give them height and great coverage of the panhandle.
But as cceng said, all this is moot because WAAZ aint for sale, today.
 
Jenny Woo said:
This is CCENG on JennyWoo's computer....

Jimmy Whitaker is happy making whatever money he is making. He could make more IF he wanted to. The radio station belongs to him....the radio station plays by HIS rules......he makes plenty of money however much it is. The tower is as high as Jimmy wants it....if he wanted it higher, believe me, it would be higher (as high as Eglin AFB would let him)

As Forrest Gump said "that's all I'm gonna say about that"

LMAO === I missed this Charlie --- forget my rhetoric.


P.S. Trust me, that rusty tower near the AL line that probably couldn't hold any new bays for WAAZ. I miss that four hour drive into hell.

Mark -- Charlie is just speaking like Jimmy (who I hate to call him that as it's a bit disrespectful) would tell you. AND he is telling the absolute truth about
the tower height --- Jimmy loves that height --- but if he did want to go higher, I doubt Eglin AFB would say a thing. They'd just change the flight patterns
or move elsewhere. It's his show. Truthfully, it is. It's just how it works.

But could you imagine an 1,800 ft. tower with hundreds of strobeys flashing like the rising sun on the beach? Wonder if when they flip on the strobey's if the surge would microwave popcorn attached to that aluminum foil on robs radio antenna in Navarre? It would be the end of dx-ing from lower Fl and probably
ufo sightings along the beach.

BTW, I'd didn't know Charlie was your middle name, Forrest. I did know your wife was Jennaye!
 
Tibbs, your post was too long, I'm not going to quote it. But yeah, I get it. More power to Jimmy Whitaker.

You're up north and don't get to listen to WAAZ. I can not believe he is breaking even with his current add load and that's just wrong, even if he's a southern gentleman with no debt (a very common trait among true southern businessmen). I'm sure I'd get along with him. I can relate to everything you posted about him. I'm a stubborn ass and turn down all kinds of easy, profitable, ventures. I give away far too much work for the sake of goodwill and sometimes I can't believe how much I pay employees compared to other similar businesses.

Here's an example of a recent crazy business decision I made. I had a small house that I inherited from my dad. No money had been invested in it since 1970 except for a new 3000$ roof after Ivan. This house was nothing special, used as rental property, and probably worth $50,000 (debt free). People have been trying to buy this house from me since I inherited it back in 1991. About two years ago a developer approached me and told me he was buying my house. (HA!) I wouldn't talk to him. One day he tracked me down at my office and put a blank check on my desk. I gave it back to him. I would not put a price on the house, it wasn't for sale. Now you should note that I am not rich and I turned down a realistic chance to sell a $50,000 house for $1,000,000, in my world that's retirement money. I was insane! I wasn't going to sell my dad's house. The developer talked to some people who talked to me. I still wasn't impressed. Then he went and found my mom. My mom was willing to talk to him and got a grip on his situation. My mom came to me and told me that I had to sell my house or some very powerful people in the community would turn against me and my business. She insisted that I meet with the developer and work something out. No one else, besides my mom, would have gotten me to listen to the man. In the end, I never would put a price on my house. It still wasn't for sale. The developer changed tactics... my mom had told the man how much I liked land, and that I didn't like managing rental property. So the man drove me out to a nice piece of land and asked me if I wanted it. I wound up trading my $50,000 house for a plot of land worth about $750,000. It took him almost 2 years to get that house after he handed me a blank check. Now I'm turning down money from people who want to rent hunting rights on my land. Leave my deer and turkeys alone and if I catch you hunting here I'm calling the game warden!
 
poledo said:
The Fort Walton towers are also very close to Eglin. The tallest one they have is less than 500 feet, so they couldn't maximize there. Someone could move WAAZ north to the Alabama state line and go up on a 1000+ foot tower, but that didn't work well for 98.1 so I doubt WAAZ would go that route. I wonder if WAAZ could move to the old WYCL tower north of Pensacola? They might have to go directional to protect 104.9 in Biloxi... or sell to the giant that owns 104.9 in Biloxi, but that site would give them height and great coverage of the panhandle.
But as cceng said, all this is moot because WAAZ aint for sale, today.

104.9's stick is NE of Biloxi and actually city-grades the SW portion of the Mobile metro. Relocating WAAZ north of Pensacola would be way too close. Plus, you wouldn't put the necessary grade of signal over Crestview from there.
 
Besides, Okaloosa is the better market. Still growing like crazy and MUCH less media competition. There aren't that many radio properties that are still growing in value regardless of daily operation, but that's one of the few.
 
MN Maniac said:
104.9's stick is NE of Biloxi and actually city-grades the SW portion of the Mobile metro. Relocating WAAZ north of Pensacola would be way too close. Plus, you wouldn't put the necessary grade of signal over Crestview from there.
You kinda missed the point of my post. Hopefully it won't happen, but I was throwing out the possibility that Clear Channel could buy WAAZ one day and move it to the Pensacola/Mobile market. Sure, they might have to change WAAZ's city of license to Chumuckla and downgrade WBUV to a class A... I'm sure there are some other stations in the way, but it seems possible. It's also kinda strange that the 1st adjacent to 104.7 recently moved west and the second adjacent, WPFL, recently moved north. Just look at what they've done recently with major market move-ins. Or locally, the move of 98.1 from Andalusia to Fort Walton and 93.3 from Evergreen to Fort Walton. WAAZ is only stuck in Crestview as long as the man wants it there.
 
poledo said:
MN Maniac said:
104.9's stick is NE of Biloxi and actually city-grades the SW portion of the Mobile metro. Relocating WAAZ north of Pensacola would be way too close. Plus, you wouldn't put the necessary grade of signal over Crestview from there.
You kinda missed the point of my post. Hopefully it won't happen, but I was throwing out the possibility that Clear Channel could buy WAAZ one day and move it to the Pensacola/Mobile market. Sure, they might have to change WAAZ's city of license to Chumuckla and downgrade WBUV to a class A... I'm sure there are some other stations in the way, but it seems possible. It's also kinda strange that the 1st adjacent to 104.7 recently moved west and the second adjacent, WPFL, recently moved north. Just look at what they've done recently with major market move-ins. Or locally, the move of 98.1 from Andalusia to Fort Walton and 93.3 from Evergreen to Fort Walton. WAAZ is only stuck in Crestview as long as the man wants it there.

Ceartainly there all sorts of "what ifs" regarding WAAZ as well as other stations. That's probably one of the last "mom and pop" local 100kw FMs in Florida. I would hate to see it go to Clear Channel or any other major corporate radio operator. Perhaps one day that may happen, but I personally like the diversity of small market local radio. SO, if Mr. Whitiker were to ever sell that station, I would hope it would go to someone who will continue to operate it locally, serving the local community. The corporate "cookie cutter" radio on the air now is BORING!!! There's nothing special about the big stations, even to the point that cash flow has diminished.

Mark Tillery,
Ocala, Florida
[email protected]
 
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