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Crossing the US/Canada border to work?

Hi all,

I am a radio engineer in the US looking to move to Canada. I would like to move directly to Montreal, as I am completely in love with that city. However, a number of people have suggested it would be better for me to move to Toronto first, as my Quebecois, though growing, is still rather shaky. Then once I have citzenship and a few langauge classes behind me, move to Montreal when I can.

Does anyone have any experience with this that they would share?

Any info would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks.
 
> Hi all,
>
> I am a radio engineer in the US looking to move to Canada. I
> would like to move directly to Montreal, as I am completely
> in love with that city. However, a number of people have
> suggested it would be better for me to move to Toronto
> first, as my Quebecois, though growing, is still rather
> shaky. Then once I have citzenship and a few langauge
> classes behind me, move to Montreal when I can.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this that they would
> share?
>
> Any info would be greatly appreciated...
>
> Thanks.

I just want to let you know that Montreal is a beatiful city, but it is part of Quebec where racism is not only legal, it is celebrated. I don't and never have supported any form of discrimitation, therefore, I will not go back.
>
 
> I just want to let you know that Montreal is a beatiful
> city, but it is part of Quebec where racism is not only
> legal, it is celebrated. I don't and never have supported
> any form of discrimitation, therefore, I will not go back.

Ha! You are refering to the seperatists that live there eh? Wanting to seperate, but keep using Canadian money? HA! They want to be all french, but that's not going to happen.
Staying on hte topic of radio, it does make me wonder if they's want to keep the crtc too...or launch their own QRTC if they could seperate.<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
I share your desire to live and work in Canada. The city I have fallen in love with is Toronto, I go there as often as possible. Unfortunately, that's only once a year so far. I check job listings from the Toronto area every day and I apply to everything that's open in my range of skills (I'm in television technical operations, over 25 years experience and a shelf full of Emmys...in case anyone in television who can hire happens to be reading this!) I think that if I get a job offer, I will be legal to work and live there. Good luck to you, I certainly understand your desires. If you learn anything new, please post it here or shoot me an email.




> Hi all,
>
> I am a radio engineer in the US looking to move to Canada. I
> would like to move directly to Montreal, as I am completely
> in love with that city. However, a number of people have
> suggested it would be better for me to move to Toronto
> first, as my Quebecois, though growing, is still rather
> shaky. Then once I have citzenship and a few langauge
> classes behind me, move to Montreal when I can.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this that they would
> share?
>
> Any info would be greatly appreciated...
>
> Thanks.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Consolidated Corporate Radio S U C K S !!!!!!</P>
 
QRTC?

Actually would it be called. Le committe de radio-television de Quebec.
LCRTQ, instead of QRTC, becuase of the French language laws or la langue du francais. FRENCH ALWAYS FIRST!(THANKS TO BILL 101 ) I actually lived in MOntreal and Toronto for a while, but it is hard to get a work visa in Canada. I whish I can go back, but my work visa has expired.


> > I just want to let you know that Montreal is a beatiful
> > city, but it is part of Quebec where racism is not only
> > legal, it is celebrated. I don't and never have supported
>
> > any form of discrimitation, therefore, I will not go back.
>
>
> Ha! You are refering to the seperatists that live there eh?
> Wanting to seperate, but keep using Canadian money? HA! They
> want to be all french, but that's not going to happen.
> Staying on hte topic of radio, it does make me wonder if
> they's want to keep the crtc too...or launch their own QRTC
> if they could seperate.
>
 
> I share your desire to live and work in Canada. The city I
> have fallen in love with is Toronto, I go there as often as
> possible. Unfortunately, that's only once a year so far. I
> check job listings from the Toronto area every day and I
> apply to everything that's open in my range of skills (I'm
> in television technical operations, over 25 years experience
> and a shelf full of Emmys...in case anyone in television who
> can hire happens to be reading this!)
I think that if I get
> a job offer, I will be legal to work and live there. Good
> luck to you, I certainly understand your desires. If you
> learn anything new, please post it here or shoot me an
> email.

Hey Big Al:

Bad news, if it's tv you're focused in on, visit the radio info Canadain Tv board and read all about the crap going on at global tv. MANY jobs lost as master control out of Toronto moves to Calgary...

City Tv did the same thing a short while back, so jobs in tv land are not a pretty picture being painted right now...<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Yeah, I have read about that. Sad to see that happen. It is happening south of the border too, I think it started down here. It's amazing to me how they want to automate everything. Gee, we're making record profits already...but they, the owners and managers, are so damn greedy that it's not enough for them. They have to have more! Greed...it'll be the downfall or corporate America and Canada. Fortunately I don't work in the master control area unless it's a fill-in overtime situation.


> > I share your desire to live and work in Canada. The city
> I
> > have fallen in love with is Toronto, I go there as often
> as
> > possible. Unfortunately, that's only once a year so far.
> I
> > check job listings from the Toronto area every day and I
> > apply to everything that's open in my range of skills (I'm
>
> > in television technical operations, over 25 years
> experience
> > and a shelf full of Emmys...in case anyone in television
> who
> > can hire happens to be reading this!) I think that if I
> get
> > a job offer, I will be legal to work and live there. Good
>
> > luck to you, I certainly understand your desires. If you
> > learn anything new, please post it here or shoot me an
> > email.
>
> Hey Big Al:
>
> Bad news, if it's tv you're focused in on, visit the radio
> info Canadain Tv board and read all about the crap going on
> at global tv. MANY jobs lost as master control out of
> Toronto moves to Calgary...
>
> City Tv did the same thing a short while back, so jobs in tv
> land are not a pretty picture being painted right now...
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Consolidated Corporate Radio S U C K S !!!!!!</P>
 
Hmmm sorry that you had trouble... Would you mind elaborating? You can email me privately about it if you like. I would be interested to hear what happened.

> I just want to let you know that Montreal is a beatiful
> city, but it is part of Quebec where racism is not only
> legal, it is celebrated. I don't and never have supported
> any form of discrimitation, therefore, I will not go back.
 
Yes I had originally wanted to move to Toronto, and may still yet, since my Québécois (Canadian French) is not so good (aka- basically non-existant). Toronto is a *beautiful* city, and I think is the most beautiful city I've ever been to. But Montreal seems a little more rough-edged; it's the artist-colony to Toronto's office-block.

I have engineered numerous remote broadcasts in Toronto, from hotels and SkyDome, but my favorites are the ones we do from the observation deck of the CN Tower. Those are **FUN**. We all hang out for the afternoon and eat stuff from the Horizons Café (the pecan waffle is the best!), and then sometimes we have dinner that night at 360 Restaurant - the rotating restaurant at the top of the tower. The best spot up there is on the outside observation deck, facing northeast, overlooking the downtown core of the city - especially at night. It's incredibly beautiful - you look *down* at the 88-floor TD Canada Trust building, and and all the other highrise buildings downtown.

The next time you get to Toronto, make a point of taking the ferry out to the island park - it's at the foot of Bay Street behind the Westin Harbor Castle Hotel. Rent a bicycle and ride east towards Ward Island. There is a park bench on the north edge of the island, at the foot of Ojibway Avenue, with a view of the city that will take your breath away. The city skyline from that perspective has got to be the most beautiful skyline in the world. The last time I went there, a cat popped out of the bushes, I assume from one of the cottages there, and jumped up and sat on my lap and enjoyed the sunny day with me & my friend. :)

Here is a Google Maps link to that park bench. If you zoom in to the 2nd last magnification setting, the little red balloon on the satellite image is about 10 feet away from the bench:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...3.628597,-79.359999&spn=0.002644,0.006094&t=h

Enjoy!!! :)

> I share your desire to live and work in Canada. The city I
> have fallen in love with is Toronto, I go there as often as
> possible. Unfortunately, that's only once a year so far. I
> check job listings from the Toronto area every day and I
> apply to everything that's open in my range of skills (I'm
> in television technical operations, over 25 years experience
> and a shelf full of Emmys...in case anyone in television who
> can hire happens to be reading this!) I think that if I get
> a job offer, I will be legal to work and live there. Good
> luck to you, I certainly understand your desires. If you
> learn anything new, please post it here or shoot me an
> email.
 
We had that happen here in Buffalo too, at WIVB Ch. 4. Lots of people lost their jobs. And what's sad is that you can see it on the news too... Tape is constantly mis-cued, wrong cameras are turned on, audio routed incorrectly. I had heard through the grapevine that some of the news talent were ready to walk out because they were looking like idiots on the air with all the screwups at the new master control in a different city. Nothing beats having people on the spot, hopefully sooner or later the money hogs will realize that.

> Yeah, I have read about that. Sad to see that happen. It is
> happening south of the border too, I think it started down
> here. It's amazing to me how they want to automate
> everything. Gee, we're making record profits already...but
> they, the owners and managers, are so damn greedy that it's
> not enough for them. They have to have more! Greed...it'll
> be the downfall or corporate America and Canada.
> Fortunately I don't work in the master control area unless
> it's a fill-in overtime situation.
 
> I actually lived in MOntreal and Toronto for a
> while, but it is hard to get a work visa in Canada. I whish
> I can go back, but my work visa has expired.

What about actually living there and getting citizenship?
 
> I have engineered numerous remote broadcasts in Toronto,
> from hotels and SkyDome,

The Skydome is now the Rogers centre. The building was sold, along with the Toronto Blue Jays. They are now all owned by Rogers Communications (owners of CHFI, 680 news, Fan 590, and Jack Fm Toronto)

It feels very strange calling it the Rogers centre...kinda makes me feel as if though I'm talking about a shopping mall or something...<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
> > I have engineered numerous remote broadcasts in Toronto,
> > from hotels and SkyDome,
>
> The Skydome is now the Rogers centre. The building was sold,
> along with the Toronto Blue Jays. They are now all owned by
> Rogers Communications (owners of CHFI, 680 news, Fan 590,
> and Jack Fm Toronto)
>
> It feels very strange calling it the Rogers centre...kinda
> makes me feel as if though I'm talking about a shopping mall
> or something...

Meh don't worry about it. The baseball stadium here in Buffalo was originally called Pilot Field when it was built 20 years ago. About 10 years ago they changed the name to North Americare Park, which didn't last long, and honestly very few people here around town had any clue who that company was or what they did. And as if that isn't bad enough, as I sit here typing right now, the current name of the stadium completely escapes me... LOL! :)

Hmmmm... Come to think about it, I'll be engineering the Sabres-Leafs game on April 3rd for Sabres home radio... I suppose I should get the name of the stadium correct in my head, eh? ACC, right? :)
 
> Hmmmm... Come to think about it, I'll be engineering the
> Sabres-Leafs game on April 3rd for Sabres home radio... I
> suppose I should get the name of the stadium correct in my
> head, eh? ACC, right? :)
>
One would indeed be correct in saying "The ACC" wether Air Canada likes it or not.
The story behind the leaf games in Toronto is that Maple leaf Gardens was getting old, and perhaps beyond repair, so they found a new home next door to the skydome (now the Rogers centre), and Air Canada paid big bucks to own the naming rights to the place, only to be known as "ACC centre" or "The ACC" LOL! no one ever actually says "The Air Canada Centre"...perhaps they should change their company name to AC...naww, that would just get people to think it's a flight with air conditioning...even in winter..lol!

The best joke has to be this one: It's too bad Maple leaf foods didn't buy the naming rights to the cenre, because then it could be called "Maple leaf" gardens again! LOL!

<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Yea we did the same thing in Buffalo in 1994. We closed the old "Memorial Auditorium" and now we have the big shiny fabulous "HSBC Arena" - named after the bank that owns the naming rights. Sometimes I still goof up and call it by its old name, which is Marine Midland Arena. The two stadiums are only a few blocks apart and still share parking lots. There's been this big political tease going around Buffalo for years now that Bass Pro Shops, a big sporting goods retailer, is supposed to open a "super center" in the old Auditorium. It's supposed to "revitalize" the Buffalo economy, but they want guarantees of massive tax breaks to do it (in other words, no taxes at all), so I'll be surprised to see if it actually happens. So... "The Aud" continues to be yet another one of Buffalo's big open dusty unused spaces populated only by pigeons making didjeridoo noises... :)

> The story behind the leaf games in Toronto is that Maple
> leaf Gardens was getting old, and perhaps beyond repair, so
> they found a new home next door to the skydome (now the
> Rogers centre), and Air Canada paid big bucks to own the
> naming rights to the place, only to be known as "ACC centre"
> or "The ACC" LOL! no one ever actually says "The Air Canada
> Centre"...perhaps they should change their company name to
> AC...naww, that would just get people to think it's a flight
> with air conditioning...even in winter..lol!
>
> The best joke has to be this one: It's too bad Maple leaf
> foods didn't buy the naming rights to the cenre, because
> then it could be called "Maple leaf" gardens again! LOL!
>
 
Yes, I visited the observation deck of the CN Tower during my visit last summer and I have dined in the 360 restaurant before. I've been up there during daylight hours, as well as at night. The night view is breathtaking. And I have taken the ferry out to the island several times. I don't think I've been to the exact spot you are talking about, but I have seen some beautiful views of the city from out there. For the past two summers I have been there for the Canada Day holiday and enjoyed the fireworks show on July 1. I don't know yet if I will make the trip this summer. It depends on $$ of course...as well as the price of gasoline (I prefer to drive there) and/or plane tickets. And, of course, whatever the wife may have in mind. I love Toronto!!! Come on CTV, CBC, Global, CITY, Rogers...somebody give me a job up there! :)



> Yes I had originally wanted to move to Toronto, and may
> still yet, since my Québécois (Canadian French) is not so
> good (aka- basically non-existant). Toronto is a *beautiful*
> city, and I think is the most beautiful city I've ever been
> to. But Montreal seems a little more rough-edged; it's the
> artist-colony to Toronto's office-block.
>
> I have engineered numerous remote broadcasts in Toronto,
> from hotels and SkyDome, but my favorites are the ones we do
> from the observation deck of the CN Tower. Those are
> **FUN**. We all hang out for the afternoon and eat stuff
> from the Horizons Café (the pecan waffle is the best!), and
> then sometimes we have dinner that night at 360 Restaurant -
> the rotating restaurant at the top of the tower. The best
> spot up there is on the outside observation deck, facing
> northeast, overlooking the downtown core of the city -
> especially at night. It's incredibly beautiful - you look
> *down* at the 88-floor TD Canada Trust building, and and all
> the other highrise buildings downtown.
>
> The next time you get to Toronto, make a point of taking the
> ferry out to the island park - it's at the foot of Bay
> Street behind the Westin Harbor Castle Hotel. Rent a bicycle
> and ride east towards Ward Island. There is a park bench on
> the north edge of the island, at the foot of Ojibway Avenue,
> with a view of the city that will take your breath away. The
> city skyline from that perspective has got to be the most
> beautiful skyline in the world. The last time I went there,
> a cat popped out of the bushes, I assume from one of the
> cottages there, and jumped up and sat on my lap and enjoyed
> the sunny day with me & my friend. :)
>
> Here is a Google Maps link to that park bench. If you zoom
> in to the 2nd last magnification setting, the little red
> balloon on the satellite image is about 10 feet away from
> the bench:
>
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=seneca+%26+ojibway,+toron> to,+on&t=h&ll=43.628597,-79.359999&spn=0.002644,0.006094&t=h
>
>
> Enjoy!!! :)
>
> > I share your desire to live and work in Canada. The city
> I
> > have fallen in love with is Toronto, I go there as often
> as
> > possible. Unfortunately, that's only once a year so far.
> I
> > check job listings from the Toronto area every day and I
> > apply to everything that's open in my range of skills (I'm
>
> > in television technical operations, over 25 years
> experience
> > and a shelf full of Emmys...in case anyone in television
> who
> > can hire happens to be reading this!) I think that if I
> get
> > a job offer, I will be legal to work and live there. Good
>
> > luck to you, I certainly understand your desires. If you
> > learn anything new, please post it here or shoot me an
> > email.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Consolidated Corporate Radio S U C K S !!!!!!</P>
 
> I love Toronto!!! Come on CTV, CBC, Global, CITY,
> Rogers...somebody give me a job up there! :)

There may be work in the Omni building, (Rogers owned, was Channel 47 cable 4 a few years back) But I can't promise anything. Send them a resume...not sure if knowledge of other languages will be required or not though, as this is a multicultural station, with some english language programming. (They also own Omni 2)
<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Thanks for the info! I will check into that. I've been in that building, got a tour there a few years ago. At the time it was still branded as "CFMT" which was, obviously, before "Omni-2" was added. A nice facility they have there. I'm not sure if the same is true for over-the-air reception, but watching their SD feed via StarChoice, I believe the two Omni stations have the best video quality...at least for their in-studio productions...as compared to the other local Toronto stations' studio productions. That's not saying I think anyone else looks bad...but the Omnis seem to have a slight edge on the video quality. I bet their new facility will be really nice.


> > I love Toronto!!! Come on CTV, CBC, Global, CITY,
> > Rogers...somebody give me a job up there! :)
>
> There may be work in the Omni building, (Rogers owned, was
> Channel 47 cable 4 a few years back) But I can't promise
> anything. Send them a resume...not sure if knowledge of
> other languages will be required or not though, as this is a
> multicultural station, with some english language
> programming. (They also own Omni 2)
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Consolidated Corporate Radio S U C K S !!!!!!</P>
 
More info...

> > I actually lived in MOntreal and Toronto for a
> > while, but it is hard to get a work visa in Canada. I
> whish
> > I can go back, but my work visa has expired.
>
> What about actually living there and getting citizenship?
>

Perhaps somebody can give you better info on it, but from what I can see, it's fairly easy for an American to get permanent residence. The big thing that you have to do is take a test (a practice test is available online) that evaluates you on a point-scale. You need 67 to get residence as a "skilled worker", and even without a job offer (a 10 point deduction), I was able to score a 72. Even if you don't score a 67, the immigration service encourages you to apply with documents to support your claims. The main things you need to score high on the test are fluency in either English or French and at least a couple of years of work experience.

Try getting in contact with the Canadian Immigration folks. They are nice people...I'm in the same situation that you're in and I found them to be very helpful.

(Note: I think it's pretty hard to get citizenship right off the bat. You need to be a permanent resident of Canada for 3 years before applying for citizenship. As far as I know, the only things you can't do as a permanent resident is vote and leave Canada for more than 6 months at a time)

Also, be advised that the immigration requirements for Quebec are different than than the rest of Canada.

Good luck,

Radio-X<P ID="signature">______________
Formerly shocking, rocking, and angering the R-I community as radiodxrichmond!</P>
 
Re: More info...

Yes I did find the test and scored well on it.

> Try getting in contact with the Canadian Immigration folks.

I've just put the phone number on a sticky note in my pocket this morning. I am going to call on my lunch break today. :)

I am lucky because Buffalo is one of only 6 Canadian Consulates in the USA that has an immigration office.

> Also, be advised that the immigration requirements for
> Quebec are different than than the rest of Canada.

Ahhhhhhhh... That's a good bit of information. Thanks for that one...
 
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