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CRTC extends the analog to digital TV conversion to August 2012 (CBC-SRC)

Does anyone have a current list of Canadian OTA stations still in analog, AND their expected shut-off date, online.....a site that is updated often?

From FL I caught Global 2 Bancroft ON 3 days in a row....wonder when THEY will convert? :)

cd
 
cd637299 said:
Does anyone have a current list of Canadian OTA stations still in analog, AND their expected shut-off date, online.....a site that is updated often?

From FL I caught Global 2 Bancroft ON 3 days in a row....wonder when THEY will convert?  :)

cd
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The CRTC hasn't set a date for rural market stations. But I imagine at this point if an analog transmitter encounters costly repairs it would be replaced with a digital one. I see most Canadian analog signals have digital applications submitted already with maps appearing on RECnet.

The best place to check for now is Wikipedia, but that relies on somebody noticing the change and updating the pages. This page has digital channels and at the bottom talks about plans to convert analog signals in the future:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_in_Canada

Global wants to have everything digital by 2016, but thats not set in stone either. It wouldn't surprise me it they ended up taking Bancroft off the air for good at that time. While the massive analog signal can make it to the more populated Belleville and Kingston areas okay I can't see a digital signal doing the same. Part of the reason the analog signal has such high power was to get coverage to these areas originally.
 
spunker88 said:
I see most Canadian analog signals have digital applications submitted already with maps appearing on RECnet.
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Not quite. The Canadian government created allotments for all the stations in Canada, but virtually none of those allotments have applications to go with them.

- Trip
 
What Trip said.

Be VERY careful reading about Canadian technical details online. The vast majority of sites use Canadian data pulled from the U.S. FCC website. This data exists only to ensure the FCC doesn't authorize anything that would cause interference in Canada. It frequently doesn't reflect actual operating stations, or even actual authorized stations.

(the U.S. records in the Canadian database are just as bad, for the same reason)

I'll try to put up a list in a day or two. Because of the layout of the Canadian database I've not been able to work up an automatic update process for my website that doesn't badly mess up the programming information.

To be VERY general about it, analog transmitters outside the largest cities are still operating in analog. The "largest cities", where the analogs are off, would be:

  • St. John's NL
  • Halifax NS
  • Fredericton NB
  • Charlottetown PEI
  • Montreal & Quebec City
  • Ottawa/Hull
  • Southwestern Ontario -- basically anything south & west of Peterborough
  • Thunder Bay
  • Winnipeg
  • Regina & Saskatoon
  • Calgary, Edmonton, and Lethbridge
  • Victoria & Vancouver

There are various exceptions out there, due to CBC stations getting a year's delay, or what us south-of-the-border types would call a "station" but are considered "transmitters" in Canadian regulations, etc.. Maybe the real takeaway here is that there are still plenty of high-powered analog transmitters operating in Canada, so if you're a DXer don't assume it's all digital.
 
Appreciated, w9wi.....it's just that there seems to be conflicting info, and what is considered a large market, different shut-off dates or planned shut-off dates, etc.

Here in FL I am just wondering which stations are still DX-able as analog, and which are not! Looks like at least CKVR is gone, and that ch 4 in Quebec City. The Global 4 around Owen Sound, not sure.....so, any help would be appreciated.

cd
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_in_Canada#Mandatory_Markets_for_Over-Air_Transition_to_Digital

"Large markets", for DTV purposes:
AB Calgary, Edmonton, Lethbridge, Lloydminster
BC Vancouver, Victoria
MB Winnipeg
NB Saint John, Moncton, Fredericton
NL St. John's
NS Halifax
PE Charlottetown
ON Barrie, Hamilton, Kitchener, London, Ottawa-Gatineau, Thunder Bay, Toronto, Windsor
QC Montreal, Quebec City, Rivière-du-Loup, Rouyn-Noranda/Val-d'Or, Saguenay, Sherbrooke, Trois-Rivières
SK Regina, Saskatoon
 
w9wi said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_in_Canada#Mandatory_Markets_for_Over-Air_Transition_to_Digital

"Large markets", for DTV purposes:
AB Calgary, Edmonton, Lethbridge, Lloydminster
BC Vancouver, Victoria
MB Winnipeg
NB Saint John, Moncton, Fredericton
NL St. John's
NS Halifax
PE Charlottetown
ON Barrie, Hamilton, Kitchener, London, Ottawa-Gatineau, Thunder Bay, Toronto, Windsor
QC Montreal, Quebec City, Rivière-du-Loup, Rouyn-Noranda/Val-d'Or, Saguenay, Sherbrooke, Trois-Rivières
SK Regina, Saskatoon
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In addition, there are a few stations not in mandatory markets that have also transitioned to digital.

* All Tele-Quebec stations has made the transition, whether or not they were in a mandatory market.
* Three TVO stations outside of mandatory markets have transitioned, in Belleville, Chatham and Cloyne (a town northwest of Kingston).
* A CFTO transmitter in Peterborough, Ontario has also transitioned, though it was not required to do so.
* CHAU-TV in Carleton, Quebec received a go-ahead to transition, yet only two of its New Brunswick transmitters, in Saint-Quentin and Kedgwick, transitioned.
* CJBR-TV in Rimouski, Quebec has also transitioned, mainly as it was an originating station for Radio-Canada's eastern Quebec region.
* CFYK-TV in Yellowknife was to have transitioned in December 2011, though it was unknown if they ever did. Though no part of the Canadian Arctic was a mandatory market, CFYK was to have made the transition back in August, but was unable to do so.
 
azumanga said:
* A CFTO transmitter in Peterborough, Ontario has also transitioned, though it was not required to do so.
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Not quite. CFTO-54 was outside of the core (2-51) and as such was required to move into the core. Going digital at the same time made perfect sense.

- Trip
 
tripinva said:
azumanga said:
* A CFTO transmitter in Peterborough, Ontario has also transitioned, though it was not required to do so.
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Not quite. CFTO-54 was outside of the core (2-51) and as such was required to move into the core. Going digital at the same time made perfect sense.

- Trip
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This was also the case for the three TVO transmitters noted.

Another transmitter that transitioned to digital was CKWS-1 at Brighton (west of Belleville), as it was on Channel 66 and had to move. That transmitter does not have a large coverage area though.
 
M.J. said:
tripinva said:
CFTO-54 was outside of the core (2-51) and as such was required to move into the core. Going digital at the same time made perfect sense.
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This was also the case for the three TVO transmitters noted.
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Not so for TVO's Cloyne transmitter, which broadcasted on channel 44 before flash-cutting to digital.
 
I see lots of references to CICO-TV-92 operating on channel 55 pre-transition, having moved to 44 to go digital.

- Trip
 
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