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Cumulus CHR's are the worst I've ever heard

wxman76 said:
Cumulus CHRs have a reputation for leaning Hot AC. I find it ironic that they aren't playing the #1 Hot AC song in the country...Mumford & Sons.

Jan must not like it. I hope one day I log in hear and find out about organizational changes at Cumulus that will result in somebody besides Jan being PD for the CHR stations.

On a side note, KKWD keeps playing "How Low" by Ludacris. If anyone remembers that song, it was a hit for a very short amount of time in the fall of 2009 and then it was forgotten, by everyone except Jan.
 
Wow they're still playing that? I remember falling in love with that song in mid-2010 when the stations around here still had it in high rotation and haven't heard it much since. I am glad to hear it's getting airplay somewhere. If they still play it 4 times a day, then they have problems.
 
bobdavcav said:
Wow they're still playing that? I remember falling in love with that song in mid-2010 when the stations around here still had it in high rotation and haven't heard it much since. I am glad to hear it's getting airplay somewhere. If they still play it 4 times a day, then they have problems.

They still play it probably a couple of times per day. Nonetheless, that isn't a song that should be in regular rotation period in 2013.
 
bchristi said:
On a side note, KKWD keeps playing "How Low" by Ludacris. If anyone remembers that song, it was a hit for a very short amount of time in the fall of 2009 and then it was forgotten, by everyone except Jan.

Someone had posted that Jan doesn't program Rhythmics - only CHR, HAC, and Country

About Mumford, I wouldn't say that Cumulus CHRs lean Hot AC anymore, since they skip so many HAC currents and/or wait forever to add them, and most of the power tracks are dance/pop - they're conservative and recurrent-based, but I wouldn't say they "lean Hot AC"

I don't think Jan dislikes Mumford/Of Monsters & Men (he plays them on his Hot ACs) - I just think he's a wuss and a control freak, and won't add anything unless he's sure it's safe to play in every single market, including tiny Republican Southern towns
 
atlantaboy said:
bchristi said:
On a side note, KKWD keeps playing "How Low" by Ludacris. If anyone remembers that song, it was a hit for a very short amount of time in the fall of 2009 and then it was forgotten, by everyone except Jan.

Someone had posted that Jan doesn't program Rhythmics - only CHR, HAC, and Country

About Mumford, I wouldn't say that Cumulus CHRs lean Hot AC anymore, since they skip so many HAC currents and/or wait forever to add them, and most of the power tracks are dance/pop - they're conservative and recurrent-based, but I wouldn't say they "lean Hot AC"

I don't think Jan dislikes Mumford/Of Monsters & Men (he plays them on his Hot ACs) - I just think he's a wuss and a control freak, and won't add anything unless he's sure it's safe to play in every single market, including tiny Republican Southern towns

True. I've always said his formula makes sense in small-town markets where one station serves as the CHR, AC, and Hot AC.

Also, Jan does program CHR/Rhythmics.
 
^So, I'm trying to imagine the situations which must go on within Cumulus...

Jeffries either allows an add, or he doesn't - he can't direct certain PDs to add certain songs, and other PDs not to, because that would discredit their job

Therefore, if he gives the okay to allow Mumford to be added, any Cumulus PD in any market is then allowed to add it

Jan must be worried, then, about the smallest, most conservative markets, and/or newer stations, and doesn't want to give any Cumulus PD the opportunity to add music that might be the least bit polarizing

It makes no sense, for example, for WPRO not to add Mumford - so I'm assuming Jan must be in a situation where allowing it in one market would mean allowing it in every market

The other bottom line is, though IMO, listeners (apparently) are not complaining - they're not calling in to their CHRs upset that they can't hear these tracks, nor are they switching to other stations in significant numbers - until something like this happens, I don't think anything is going to change
 
Tomorrow the new Avril Lavigne single is out. Cumulus loves Avril. I believe all its CHRs are going to add it the very first day even though it is not 2002-2003 anymore!
 
atlantaboy said:
^So, I'm trying to imagine the situations which must go on within Cumulus...

Jeffries either allows an add, or he doesn't - he can't direct certain PDs to add certain songs, and other PDs not to, because that would discredit their job

Therefore, if he gives the okay to allow Mumford to be added, any Cumulus PD in any market is then allowed to add it

Jan must be worried, then, about the smallest, most conservative markets, and/or newer stations, and doesn't want to give any Cumulus PD the opportunity to add music that might be the least bit polarizing

It makes no sense, for example, for WPRO not to add Mumford - so I'm assuming Jan must be in a situation where allowing it in one market would mean allowing it in every market

The other bottom line is, though IMO, listeners (apparently) are not complaining - they're not calling in to their CHRs upset that they can't hear these tracks, nor are they switching to other stations in significant numbers - until something like this happens, I don't think anything is going to change
I don't get why he won't allow it since stations are allowed to pick which songs they aren't going to add. If a song is that polarizing, the stations afraid of it should just not add it. Stations shouldn't have to be forbidden from playing a song just because some stations hundreds of miles a way has super-conservative listeners.
 
jason1589 said:
Tomorrow the new Avril Lavigne single is out. Cumulus loves Avril. I believe all its CHRs are going to add it the very first day even though it is not 2002-2003 anymore!
I hope they do. Ryan Seacrest is premiering the song tomorrow, why should Cumulus listeners have to wait months to hear it?
 
chrocket87 said:
Just heard "Can't Hold Us" by Macklemore on Star 105 while driving home today. Did Jan actually allow this this early?
Yep. This week he allowed the adds for "Can't Hold Us", "Next To Me" by Emeli Sande, and "I Love It" by Icona Pop.
 
bluestar4 said:
jason1589 said:
Tomorrow the new Avril Lavigne single is out. Cumulus loves Avril. I believe all its CHRs are going to add it the very first day even though it is not 2002-2003 anymore!
I hope they do. Ryan Seacrest is premiering the song tomorrow, why should Cumulus listeners have to wait months to hear it?

Agreed. The key will be if the song bombs, will they still be spinning it 20 times per week 3 years from now?
 
atlantaboy said:
The other bottom line is, though IMO, listeners (apparently) are not complaining - they're not calling in to their CHRs upset that they can't hear these tracks, nor are they switching to other stations in significant numbers - until something like this happens, I don't think anything is going to change

They are in Oklahoma City. Many of the winning Cumulus stations are winning on heritage as has been discussed on this thread before.

In what market has a new station comes in with a cookie cutter Jan Jeffries gold-based format and beat out a heritage current-based CHR by ClearChannel?

I wish enough Cumulus CHRs would tank to allow one of two things to happen.

A) Jan turn over programming to local or at least regional PDs

B) Jan allows larger markets more freedom with adds than the small, conservative markets that he is concerned that currents drive away listeners. Markets like Atlanta shouldn't be restricted from adds simply because they might not test well in rural Mississippi.
 
bchristi said:
atlantaboy said:
The other bottom line is, though IMO, listeners (apparently) are not complaining - they're not calling in to their CHRs upset that they can't hear these tracks, nor are they switching to other stations in significant numbers - until something like this happens, I don't think anything is going to change

Many of the winning Cumulus stations are winning on heritage as has been discussed on this thread before.

I don't think it matters - Cumulus isn't going to look at a station's ratings and say "We're only winning on heritage, so we'd better change our adds policy" - the station is either losing listeners, or it's not

Also, IMO it's really confusing that you to keep bringing up Oklahoma City, since that's not a CHR station, and isn't affected by Jan's CHR add restrictions
 
bchristi said:
bluestar4 said:
jason1589 said:
Tomorrow the new Avril Lavigne single is out. Cumulus loves Avril. I believe all its CHRs are going to add it the very first day even though it is not 2002-2003 anymore!
I hope they do. Ryan Seacrest is premiering the song tomorrow, why should Cumulus listeners have to wait months to hear it?

Agreed. The key will be if the song bombs, will they still be spinning it 20 times per week 3 years from now?

She hasn't had a hit in how long? That is something to consider. Her absence from the chart isn't the same as a situation like Justin Timberlake taking a self imposed hiatus from music. Her last CD wasn't close to doing as well as her previous work, so she may have to prove herself again.
 
Considering it's been 11 years or so since Avril came on to the scene, and the performance of her last album, I think that she has peaked. Katy Perry, Carly Rae Jepsen, Ke$ha, Rihanna, etc. are hot now. Her style is somewhat different, but she could be regarded as yesterday's news now.

Why add Emeli Sande and not Mumford & Sons/OM&M? Seriously?! "I Will Wait" and "Little Talks" got pretty screwed over on the charts.

And, just to add, there are PLENTY of small southern towns (& Republicans, lol) where Mumford & Sons are popular. I am thinking that perhaps Jan thought they and Of Monsters & Men were a little too folksy for his CHR's.
 
bchristi said:
They still play it probably a couple of times per day.

And when verified with Mediabase, it turns out that KKWD played that song exactly twice last week.

bchristi said:
Nonetheless, that isn't a song that should be in regular rotation period in 2013.

Maybe you're right, but the song got 182 spins nationwide (in Mediabase monitored markets) last week, and only 34 were from Cumulus stations. Most notably, Cox played it 14 times at WBHJ and 10 times at WPYO, and Cox is well-known for researching their records to death.

The point is, it's not possible to look at one single record and determine that a station is failing. One record may be symptomatic, but it could also be that the song just happens to test in that market. I'm not defending Cumulus in any way, just pointing out that singling out a particular song loses the forest for the trees.
 
carolinaradio said:
Considering it's been 11 years or so since Avril came on to the scene, and the performance of her last album, I think that she has peaked. Katy Perry, Carly Rae Jepsen, Ke$ha, Rihanna, etc. are hot now. Her style is somewhat different, but she could be regarded as yesterday's news now.
Well, if she has anything in common with the wave of pop-rock artists of the previous generation (Lifehouse, Daughtry, Goo Goo Dolls, Nickelback, and Matchbox 20), I don't think her new song will do very well, unless she makes some big changes to her sound (i.e. Maroon 5, Train). This wave of pop-rock popularity has really purged anyone that came before it.
 
The Outsider said:
bchristi said:
bluestar4 said:
jason1589 said:
Tomorrow the new Avril Lavigne single is out. Cumulus loves Avril. I believe all its CHRs are going to add it the very first day even though it is not 2002-2003 anymore!
I hope they do. Ryan Seacrest is premiering the song tomorrow, why should Cumulus listeners have to wait months to hear it?

Agreed. The key will be if the song bombs, will they still be spinning it 20 times per week 3 years from now?

She hasn't had a hit in how long? That is something to consider. Her absence from the chart isn't the same as a situation like Justin Timberlake taking a self imposed hiatus from music.

???

You do realize she had a song peak at #11 2 years ago (and spend 20 weeks on the CHR chart) - not really any different a situation than Taylor Swift was in
 
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