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Cumulus files for bankruptcy again

Soros bought debt, not stations, with the most recent deal. He is counting on the cash flow retiring the debt at a profit. The equity value is coincidental and may be, in the long run, zero. He bought the debt, converted it to equity. That took the company private, so he gets whatever profit he can take after paying the highly reduced remaining debt..

These purchases , as I have mentioned, are much like the purchase of near depletion oil wells or fields which may be considered to be bought for the high annual income even though the final residual value will be zero. Radio today is about as good a future play as a near depletion well.
At the end of the day, regardless of capital stack positioning, the Soros funds made an investment in broadcasting, and did so knowing that the debt was likely to be converted to equity.

The oil well depletion analogy is a decent one, because you are right, broadcast assets are declining more & more in value with each passing year. There is finite cash flow to be extracted. The key to an acceptable return on investment is properly guessing the decline curve.
 
You're sort of perpetuating a criminal narrative about Hispanics that you don't really believe. All they really did in this case was stop listening.
Well, since the station I was General Manager for in Miami was, indeed, burnt down for political reasons, I kinda' have the right to that sort of opinion.
Which is exactly what people are doing to CBS. Broadcasters can't force people to believe something they don't agree with. It's the American way.
Not at all similar. Heck, the station's name is even that of a Cuban patriot!
It doesn't matter who owns the station. Conservative talk radio is preaching to the converted on stations that don't exist to people under 60.
WAQI was not "Conservative Talk". It was "Anti-Castro Talk" and "Anti-Communist Talk".
Salem had no money to spend for more money losing AM stations. LMN did them and Univision a massive favor.
Interestingly, if left alone, those stations as a group were profitable. Several individual ones were not, but they could have left most of them alone and worked first on the negative ones... instead, they messed with several of their higher billing stations. The explanation, of course, was that "WAQI could do much better in today's world with a more moderate, international perspective". This belief started with two later-generation American Hispanics who had no family experience or perspective on the attitudes of the refugees of a totalitarian government that killed, imprisoned and penalized anyone who opposed them
 
they could have left most of them alone and worked first on the negative ones... instead, they messed with several of their higher billing stations.

They signed a deal, as you well know, to continue to run the Univision programming unchanged. That's what they did.

What they should have done was focus on the growing Venezuelan population. It's much younger and more sellable. That's what the other station did, and they're doing very well.
 
They signed a deal, as you well know, to continue to run the Univision programming unchanged. That's what they did.
No, the deal was on a station by station basis. In the case of Radio Mambí, they wanted the changes to be immediate. That is why their key anchors left immediately and others departed soon after.
What they should have done was focus on the growing Venezuelan population. It's much younger and more sellable. That's what the other station did, and they're doing very well.
The problem there is that there are far less Venezuelans in Miami and even less who would get meters. And those Venezuelans, at around 80%, have indicated that they will return home once the country is stabilized.

And, as far as ad revenue, there is little Venezuelan business in Miami. Nearly everything local is owned and run by the Cuban community.
 
No, the deal was on a station by station basis.

That's not what was reported at the time.

While the sale has crossed the finish line, no immediate programming changes are expected.” A spokesperson for LMN told Inside Radio after the deal was announced last June that the company “will engage in up to one-year Local Marketing Agreements with Univision to continue running the radio stations in each market” once the FCC greenlighted the deal.

There have been multiple reports from the markets that the stations continued to run Univision programming.
 
That's not what was reported at the time.
I talked every few days with some of my former colleagues at WAQI at the time; as soon as the sale went down, there were meetings about being more "balanced".
There have been multiple reports from the markets that the stations continued to run Univision programming.
Yes, at some of the stations... such as the sports AM in Houston. At others, the majority of which had always been locally programmed, they continued as such with new management. And, of course, some of the music FM stations like Vegas and Fresno, continued to take AM and PM personality shows from Univision.

Remember, a bunch of the stations were FMs, not AM. 3 FM in Fresno, One in Dallas, two in McAllen, two in Las Vegas. In other words, half of the stations they bought were music formatted FMs, not talk or sports AMs.
 
Heck, the station's name is even that of a Cuban patriot!
However I’ve never heard of a Cuban targeted station named “Radio Batista”.🤪
WAQI was not "Conservative Talk". It was "Anti-Castro Talk" and "Anti-Communist Talk".
With such stations being “anti this and anti that”…is there any grasp of what they are….well….for?🤔🤨

What sort of Cuba do they advocate for, other than one where Communism is gone?
 
With a "liberal " dose of cynical falsehood and deception. This whole issue was well documented at the time. here is and NPR report I remembered that summed it up: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/08/1053...talk-radio-in-miami-is-tearing-families-apart
This can be applied to all of conservative media over the last 36 years (the Limbaugh era).
LCG
You know, I can tolerate a bit of hyperbole when people are very deeply involved in a cause; for example, when our president is called a nazi (I knew real, Hitler era Nazis so I can tell the difference).

In the case of many Cuban refugees, they have endured things most of those reading this only read about, ranging from deprivation to imprisonment or even the torture or death of a family member or friend. And for many, it was the years of living in fear until a chance to flee became possible.
 
However I’ve never heard of a Cuban targeted station named “Radio Batista”.🤪
Batista was not a “prócer” so there is something you can look up.
With such stations being “anti this and anti that”…is there any grasp of what they are….well….for?🤔🤨
Yes, a democratic government with elected officials.
What sort of Cuba do they advocate for, other than one where Communism is gone?
The United States is the model.

And remember, Cuba is a dictatorship. It uses a socialist model but the leaders are installed for life.
 
You know, I can tolerate a bit of hyperbole when people are very deeply involved in a cause; for example, when our president is called a nazi (I knew real, Hitler era Nazis so I can tell the difference).

In the case of many Cuban refugees, they have endured things most of those reading this only read about, ranging from deprivation to imprisonment or even the torture or death of a family member or friend. And for many, it was the years of living in fear until a chance to flee became possible.
Yes, I am sure you are well associated with the Nazi's of Latin America. Much of the Third Reich fled that to Argentina and were welcomed. The USA took in a number of scumbags from Hitler's regime as well. Our Space program used them.

Our current kleptocrat administration will be dealt with in the next few years.


And remember, Cuba is a dictatorship. It uses a socialist model but the leaders are installed for life.
Similar to the "democracies" we ushered into Latin America & Caribbean on tanks and gunships.

Nothing excuses the lies and deception told by these right wing hosts unless you are OK with Barry Goldwater's 1964 statement ""Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" --except here we substitute commerce for liberty.

LCG
 
I talked every few days with some of my former colleagues at WAQI at the time; as soon as the sale went down, there were meetings about being more "balanced".

I don't get what the issue was. Whenever there's a change in ownership, the new owner makes changes. It's happening now with Ellison & Weiss at CBS. They came in and told everyone that there will be changes. Some people quit. Some took buyouts. That's how things go. At Cumulus, Lew Dickey came up with the Nash format at all Cumulus country stations, and that was the end of the discussion. The employees either followed the orders or left.

Now with this second Cumulus bankruptcy, there will be changes. The employees will respond based on what happens. But nothing stays the same. They shouldn't assume that because were things one way before, that they will stay the same after.
 
I don't get what the issue was.
The issue was that they were being asked to temper or tone down their intense dedication to the anti-Castro sentiments of their programming.
Whenever there's a change in ownership, the new owner makes changes. It's happening now with Ellison & Weiss at CBS. They came in and told everyone that there will be changes. Some people quit. Some took buyouts. That's how things go. At Cumulus, Lew Dickey came up with the Nash format at all Cumulus country stations, and that was the end of the discussion. The employees either followed the orders or left.
But the people on the air and in programming were there principally to support their cause against the communist dictatorship in Cuba. What you suggest is like telling a Mormon congregation that their church building has been sold and now they have to come to a Jehovah’s Witness service instead. This is about a cause, not about radio.
Now with this second Cumulus bankruptcy, there will be changes. The employees will respond based on what happens. But nothing stays the same. They shouldn't assume that because were things one way before, that they will stay the same after.
The last I looked, there are no cumulus stations based on the needs and interests of an exile community that is in opposition to the current government of their homeland.
 
The issue was that they were being asked to temper or tone down their intense dedication to the anti-Castro sentiments of their programming.

Employees get told to do things all the time. CBS News people are being told to be more attentive to the president. Some of them quit.

These people may have felt some type of entitlement. But if it wasn't in a contract, it had no meaning.

Univision could have put a format protection clause in the contract. I've seen that done with classical radio stations. The format has to be protected after the sale. There was no such protection, so the format was fair game.
What you suggest is like telling a Mormon congregation that their church building has been sold and now they have to come to a Jehovah’s Witness service instead. This is about a cause, not about radio.

That's a religious issue, protected by the first amendment. Political beliefs are only protected personally, not in the workplace. You know all this.

I was involved in a situation where a church was DE sanctified and turned into a studio. The parishioners found another church.

Some people sued Cumulus because of a company vaccine mandate. As far as I know, they all lost. A company can set work rules.

If you don't like them, you quit and go someplace else. Nothing wrong with that.
The last I looked, there are no cumulus stations based on the needs and interests of an exile community that is in opposition to the current government of their homeland.

Then this is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. This radio station didn't have any special protection.
 
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Yes, I am sure you are well associated with the Nazi's of Latin America. Much of the Third Reich fled that to Argentina and were welcomed.
Actually, I accidentally cam to assist Israeli intelligence in the 60’s in their effort to find and capture Martin Bormann. Bormann was, at the time, thought to be in the Amazon headwaters where Brazil, Ecuador and Perú meet. So, when I was invited to a reception at the estate of the local Hoechst manager and took a wrong turn leading to the bathroom, I came upon a home office where a huge picture of Hitler was hung and it had to each side the Nazi secret police flags.

I told a friend who was also a stringer for several news services. He was also connected to MOSSAD and, after a meeting with several of his friends, was told that the Hoechst guy was well known. I was asked if I could attend any further gatherings of his and report back, which I did. It was thought that the Nazi I discovered was providing supplies to Borman.

My lead engineer for my first AM stations had been one of Telefunken’s chief design engineers in Europe before the war. Because he was Jewish, he fled Europe and ended up in Quito. My first FM engineer had owned a radio factory in France; when the Germans invaded, he joined the French resistance. After the war, he also went to Ecuador and established an electronic servicing business.

So, yes, I knew many refugees of World War II, but they were all in Ecuador as a result of persecution by the Nazis.

By the time I had a full project in Argentina, starting in 1999, any of the Nazis who had fled to that nation were long gone.

The USA took in a number of scumbags from Hitler's regime as well. Our Space program used them.
Yet in fairness, it can be said that many of those scientists had no choice, but to assist their country’s government. In many cases, the situation had advanced too far for them to extricate themselves.
Similar to the "democracies" we ushered into Latin America & Caribbean on tanks and gunships.
Not similar at all. What I saw in Argentina had no relation to American “peacekeeping” in other nations in fact, I saw no involvement at all there. On the other hand, in Ecuador, it was only after the inebriated president of that nation climbed on a banquet table and walked on it across to the American ambassador and peed on him that the United States gave a assistance to the military to remove that drunk. That action was soon followed by an election that was done quite peacefully and properly.
 
Cumulus has retained its management through the end of the year:


There are also two objections, one coming from SoundExchange:

 
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Cumulus has retained its management through the end of the year:


There are also two objections, one coming from SoundExchange:

Sound exchange might as well accept the fact that they are going to "take a haircut"..

They should be able to "restructure" their contract with the large radio operators that have properties that have gone bankrupt this century. There should be some kind of language on the agreement that if the stations get more than 180 days behind in their payments, SE has the right to pull all the music they collect for. If I understand this correctly this dispute has gone on for several years. Or Sound Exchange should have the right to file "mechanics leans" for the artists' work on writing the songs. That could put them up higher in food chain of getting paid.

Get 180 days behind on you cell plan or electric bill and see what happens. Some states have the cold weather hardship but once summer comes it will be dark at night.

Personally I have never been made whole by any business 180 days late in paying my bill.

I realize that the Bankruptcy laws were enacted to do away with debters prisons, but sometimes I a wonder, are businesses that repeatedly go bankrupt every 6 to 10 years be protected instead of facing Chapter 7.

IIRC the old Citadel stations have been owned by companies in bankruptcy at least three times this century.
 
Sound exchange might as well accept the fact that they are going to "take a haircut"..

SoundExchange was just sued by SiriusXM over whether it has the ability to enforce its royalties.

 
I realize that the Bankruptcy laws were enacted to do away with debters prisons, but sometimes I a wonder, are businesses that repeatedly go bankrupt every 6 to 10 years be protected instead of facing Chapter 7.

Mary Berner has now led Cumulus into bankruptcy twice, while retaining her job and her wealth. Prior to Cumulus, she did the same at Reader's Digest.

She may not be capable of running a successful business, but she certainly seems skilled at taking care of herself.
 
Mary Berner has now led Cumulus into bankruptcy twice, while retaining her job and her wealth. Prior to Cumulus, she did the same at Reader's Digest.

She may not be capable of running a successful business, but she certainly seems skilled at taking care of herself.
She is a specialist in dealing with companies in trouble. She was brought in to Reader's Digest to plan for an inevitable bankruptcy with the idea of structuring the company so that as many of the creditors could be paid as much as they could be while maintaining relationships that would allow the business to continue after reorganization.

The same is the case with Cumulus: keep the company alive and try to create some kind of future... when the option might be total liquidation.
 


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