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Buffalo Cumulus was planning to shut down Talk 1270 last Friday

Conservative Talk “Talk 1270” WHLD Niagara Falls/Buffalo was on Cumulus’ list to sign-off on Friday, March 21 and while its website was taken down the station has continued broadcasting perhaps indicating a deal to transfer the station is forthcoming.

 
Maybe Bill Yuhnke is looking for an actual Buffalo signal. Great coverage daytime but limited at night. According to FCCdata.org the signal was brought into its specified operating parameters last fall. It could also be an ethnic operator. Maybe WUFO is looking for a full-time signal. WHLD would reach their primary service area nicely.
 
One poster says it has a great signal, the other says it has a poor signal. Which is it? I was traveling from Toronto to Erie last week and the signal did not fade once. It was very strong .
 
Move the Bills out of Buffalo and WGR falls below a 1 share. WECK has several FM translators. Not sure what year you think this is, but nobody is lining up to buy AM signals...
What about WBEN. Do they do well on AM? Do they have translators? I would think any signal is viable as long as you put content people want. IE. Buffalo Bills. Does this station make money? I do not think you are correct about AM signals. For the right person, and the right content, it seems to me they do pretty well.

You make a point about “if the bills “. Well, they are in Buffalo. They are not leaving. WGR seems to have very decent ratings thru the year.

Maybe you should talk to a successful PD.

I just explained that a few weeks ago, I listened to WHLD from Toronto to Erie and the signal was terrific, with great talk programming. Are you saying this signal is such that nobody could find a way to use it? That seems silly and short sighted
 
One poster says it has a great signal, the other says it has a poor signal. Which is it? I was traveling from Toronto to Erie last week and the signal did not fade once. It was very strong .
Five towers of directional fun. It you are in a lobe pretty good. If you are in a null not so good. The land involved could be worth multiples of any broadcasting profit. But who owns the land?
 
Five towers of directional fun. It you are in a lobe pretty good. If you are in a null not so good. The land involved could be worth multiples of any broadcasting profit. But who owns the land?
Crawford. It's the old WEBR/WNED 970 site that Crawford bought from WNED as part of the deal for 970 (now WDCZ).
 
Perhaps Buddy will take on 1270 and pair it up with one of his translators.
Why? I am sure he knows that adding another AM today would just increase his overhead but not his revenue, advertiser response or overall success.
 
I just explained that a few weeks ago, I listened to WHLD from Toronto to Erie and the signal was terrific, with great talk programming. Are you saying this signal is such that nobody could find a way to use it? That seems silly and short sighted
The main point is that every day, every week, every month and every year fewer and fewer people are using AM stations at all. And the average age of the listeners increases with that same passage of time.

Many AM stations exist only to allow an FM translator to operate. Were the rules to permit the AM to be turned off and the translator made "permanent" I have no doubt that perhaps half of all AM stations would be turned off the next day.

Scott Fybush is more deeply involved with translators and their underlying AM stations and perhaps can give us his perspective on the sustainability of stand-alone AM stations.
 
I think we can already discern the sustainability of stand alone AM stations.

Look at WBEN and WGR in Buffalo.

Not sure how everybody here sees negativity in the face of success.

David, I would expect more from you. Let’s not forget, Buffalo is the #1 AM market in the country

Explain these please

The biggest AM-only station in a large market is WISN 1130 with double-digit ratings. It's consistently the #1 station in Milwaukee. And it has to compete with another AM-only station in Milwaukee with a great signal and strong line-up, WTMJ. That makes its top station status even more impressive.

14 other markets have an AM station in their Nielsen top ten and Boston has two of them. (Stations with an * have an FM translator but that's not really a full power FM simulcast.)

#7 tie ....... New York ................... WABC ...... Red Apple .................... Talk
#8 ............. Los Angeles .............. KFI ............ iHeart ............................. Talk
#5 tie ...... Chicago ...................... WGN ....... Nexstar .......................... Talk
#7 ............ Houston .................... KTRH ........ iHeart ............................. Talk
#3 ............ Boston ....................... WBZ .......... iHeart .............................. All-News (Talk in evenings)
#10 .......... Boston ....................... WRKO ...... iHeart ............................. Talk
#4 tie ....... Detroit ....................... WWJ ......... Audacy .......................... All-News
#8 tie ...... Minneapolis ............. WCCO ...... Audacy ........................... News/Talk
#2 ............ Puerto Rico ............... WKAQ ....... WAPA Media ,.............. Spanish language Talk
#10 tie .... Tampa ........................ WFLA* ....... iHeart ............................. Talk
#4 ............. Austin ........................ KLBJ ............ Sinclair Telecable ........ Talk
#3 ............ Cincinnati ................. WLW* .......... iHeart ............................. Talk/Sports
#7 ............ Cleveland ................. WTAM ......... iHeart ............................. Talk
#2 ............ Columbus ................ WTVN ......... iHeart ............................. Talk
#1 ............ Milwaukee ............... WISN .......... iHeart ............................. Talk
#6 ............ Providence .............. WPRO ........ Cumulus ........................ Talk

Honorable Mention: All of these AM stations are at #11 in their markets: KFYI Phoenix, WBAL* Baltimore, KOGO San Diego, WOAI San Antonio, KEX Portland and KDKA* Pittsburgh.
 
The main point is that every day, every week, every month and every year fewer and fewer people are using AM stations at all. And the average age of the listeners increases with that same passage of time.

Many AM stations exist only to allow an FM translator to operate. Were the rules to permit the AM to be turned off and the translator made "permanent" I have no doubt that perhaps half of all AM stations would be turned off the next day.

Scott Fybush is more deeply involved with translators and their underlying AM stations and perhaps can give us his perspective on the sustainability of stand-alone AM stations.
There's really nothing that I haven't said over and over again for years. Aside from a handful of outliers like WISN, WBEN and WGR (all in markets that skew old and have the kind of very stable populations that remain loyal to an established local station because they've lived there forever, whatever else is left of AM listenership is on an irreversible demographic slide.

All those ratings cited in the musicianslegacy post above? They're all the vanity-show 6+ ratings, and if you have access to the demographic breakdowns, those are all driven by listenership that's now almost entirely 50-plus and largely 60-plus. There's nothing out there showing that younger listeners are aging into an AM radio habit.

Which, once again, means that aside from the perhaps two dozen or so AM stations in large markets that are still producing significant revenue for now (KFI, KNX, WLW, WISN), most of the remaining thousand-plus AMs that don't have translators can't be sold to anyone except the most niche broadcasters, and that's assuming the land under the tower isn't worth more than the value of the license itself.

Even the markets that are exceptions for now, like Buffalo, are just aging out more slowly than the others. If almost nobody under 40 or 45 is listening to WBEN now (and they aren't), that becomes nobody under 50 or 55 before long, and you can't sustain advertiser revenue forever like that, even in Buffalo.
 
Why? I am sure he knows that adding another AM today would just increase his overhead but not his revenue, advertiser response or overall success.
In theory, 2 of Buddy's translators could translate another station--only 1 is bound to WECK. . But that would mean diminishing the reach of WECK. Kind of like robbing Peter to pay Paul. Makes no sense.
 
There's really nothing that I haven't said over and over again for years. Aside from a handful of outliers like WISN, WBEN and WGR (all in markets that skew old and have the kind of very stable populations that remain loyal to an established local station because they've lived there forever, whatever else is left of AM listenership is on an irreversible demographic slide.

All those ratings cited in the musicianslegacy post above? They're all the vanity-show 6+ ratings, and if you have access to the demographic breakdowns, those are all driven by listenership that's now almost entirely 50-plus and largely 60-plus. There's nothing out there showing that younger listeners are aging into an AM radio habit.

Which, once again, means that aside from the perhaps two dozen or so AM stations in large markets that are still producing significant revenue for now (KFI, KNX, WLW, WISN), most of the remaining thousand-plus AMs that don't have translators can't be sold to anyone except the most niche broadcasters, and that's assuming the land under the tower isn't worth more than the value of the license itself.

Even the markets that are exceptions for now, like Buffalo, are just aging out more slowly than the others. If almost nobody under 40 or 45 is listening to WBEN now (and they aren't), that becomes nobody under 50 or 55 before long, and you can't sustain advertiser revenue forever like that, even in Buffalo.
You’re the programming “expert”. Seems to me that this station could be designed to reach an older audience in an older Buffalo market.

Who gives a crap about 50 and under in radio? The ones who do are filing for bankruptcy.

As usual, I think you all will be surprised with what will happen :)

Perhaps if you shared this board with people in broadcasting who actually care and no what they are doing, you may be further ahead in the guessing game.
 


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