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"CW" network??? WB/UPN gone?

According to this article: http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/24/news/companies/cbs_warner/index.htm?cnn=yes

WB and UPN will be merging to form the CW network. How will this affect those affiliates in cities where they currently have both a WB and UPN affiliate? I am in Houston so I am obviously interested in WB39 and UPN20... but am also curious about the overall effects.

Thanks!<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by whatever2000 on 01/24/06 05:21 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> According to this article:
http://money.cn> n.com/2006/01/24/news/companies/cbs_warner/index.htm?cnn=yes
>
>
> WB and UPN will be merging to form the CW network. How will
> this affect those affiliates in cities where they currently
> have both a WB and UPN affiliate? I am in Houston... but am
> curious about the overall effects.
>
> Thanks!
>
This is going to setup an interesting fight in alot of major markets...What will probably happen is the station with the bigger...audience....will take over the programming...I wonder who it'll be in the dallas market, seeing that UPN(21) and WB(33) affiliates here are fighting for market share. MY money is on 21, seeing its already owned by viacom and have better facilities than WB33,which is in a pretty run down part of town.
 
> This is going to setup an interesting fight in alot of major
> markets...What will probably happen is the station with the
> bigger...audience....will take over the programming...I
> wonder who it'll be in the dallas market, seeing that
> UPN(21) and WB(33) affiliates here are fighting for market
> share. MY money is on 21, seeing its already owned by viacom
> and have better facilities than WB33,which is in a pretty
> run down part of town.
>
WB 33 will become the CW affiliate in Dallas. Affiliate agreements have already been signed with those stations currently owned by Tribune to carry The CW network. WB 33 is owned by Tribune. What is now UPN 21 will be left without a network affiliation.
 
Houston/Austin/San Antonio scenarios for The CW

> WB 33 will become the CW affiliate in Dallas. WB 33
> is owned by Tribune. What is now UPN 21 will be left
> without a network affiliation.

In Houston, Tribune's KHWB/39 will get the CW network, which means Fox O&O KTXH "UPN 20" will have to find other programming. This is good for the news department at 39, as they've been rather worried about Tribune possibly giving them the axe. A stronger network leading into their 9pm newscast might mean a stay of execution.

Wonder if KHWB would change their call to KHCW ? A quick search shows that call currently unused either on TV or radio.

In San Antonio it would appear KRRT/35 will be the CW affil, while in Austin KNVA/54 will pick up the network. This leaves Belo-operated UPN KBEJ/2 out in the cold for both markets...wonder if Belo would dump the operating agreement? Is Spanish in the future for Channel 2 in Central Texas?
 
Re: Houston/Austin/San Antonio scenarios for The CW

> > WB 33 will become the CW affiliate in Dallas. WB 33
> > is owned by Tribune. What is now UPN 21 will be left
> > without a network affiliation.
>
> In Houston, Tribune's KHWB/39 will get the CW network, which
> means Fox O&O KTXH "UPN 20" will have to find other
> programming. This is good for the news department at 39, as
> they've been rather worried about Tribune possibly giving
> them the axe. A stronger network leading into their 9pm
> newscast might mean a stay of execution.
>
> Wonder if KHWB would change their call to KHCW ? A quick
> search shows that call currently unused either on TV or
> radio.
>
> In San Antonio it would appear KRRT/35 will be the CW affil,
> while in Austin KNVA/54 will pick up the network. This
> leaves Belo-operated UPN KBEJ/2 out in the cold for both
> markets...wonder if Belo would dump the operating agreement?
> Is Spanish in the future for Channel 2 in Central Texas?
>

Here's a burning question for East Texas. Since we have heard of this new merger making its way this fall, what will be the fate of the two low-power stations 48 and 58? My answer would be for them, switch to Telemundo or Univision. There is a Hispanic population for that, you know. With KCEB as a fulltime WB, it looks as though a CW network affiliation is predicted to be in order in their favor.
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UPN21/WB33 Questions/Comments about Merger...

What TV Shows Stay, and What Goes on 33/21? Mavs on Channel 33 next year? Any other interesting facts as Channel 21 goes Independent? What programming goes there to 21? Does the News @ Nine stay on 33? Only time will tell...
 
East Texas scenarios

>
> Here's a burning question for East Texas. Since we have
> heard of this new merger making its way this fall, what will
> be the fate of the two low-power stations 48 and 58?

An article I just found in the Longview paper

http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/news/stories/2006/01/21/01212006CBS/UPN.html

has this snippet:

KLPN, operating as an independent, will be able to vary the evening showings. Court shows are airing on the week nights now.

"It may change to Jerry Springer or Montel Williams, something like that, to add a little excitement. We also plan on doing some locally produced sports stuff," Balch said.

"We have some talks with TJC (Tyler Junior College) about televising some of their games. We'll be the only independent station in the market that can air local sports games — basketball, football, whatever we can get our hands on."



While the Telemundo/Univision idea is intriguing, as there are many hispanic viewers in the market, there is already a huge presence of Telemundo (thru KXTX/39 on cable as well as national feed on dish) and Univision (national feed on both cable and dish) there, and no one has ever tried to launch a local affil of either net there before. There would have to be some kind of localization involved to keep the license (pub affairs/talk show/news).

The quote by the 48/58 PD sounds tentative to me. If he expects any amount of ET viewership of a TJC game, his signal is going to have to be stronger than across-the-street or up-the-road. Plus, eventually he'll have to give up (or change) the 58 frequency when the channel list top trims to 51.

Would a station with a short tower and small radiated footprint (KCEB/54) really have the edge over a station who is now in Viacom/CBS' good graces (KYTX 18.2) regarding UPN?
 
Re: UPN21/WB33 Questions/Comments about Merger...

This only affects network shows ... primetime (7-9p) and the kids' lineups. Syndication, sports and news stay where they are. UPN21 essentially goes back to what it was before it became a UPN affiliate ... an independent station that picks its own primetime lineup. Most likely, it'll be syndicated sitcoms. What is interesting is that The CW is supposedly offering 30 hours of network shows each week. Spread that out over seven days and it's a little over four hours per day. I doubt they'll expand primetime, because that would put local news on CW stations up against the Big 3 networks. So I'm thinking there must be a daytime component of some sort.


> What TV Shows Stay, and What Goes on 33/21? Mavs on Channel
> 33 next year? Any other interesting facts as Channel 21
> goes Independent? What programming goes there to 21? Does
> the News @ Nine stay on 33? Only time will tell...
>
 
Re: East Texas scenarios

> >
> > Here's a burning question for East Texas. Since we have
> > heard of this new merger making its way this fall, what
> will
> > be the fate of the two low-power stations 48 and 58?
>
> An article I just found in the Longview paper
>
http://www.news-journal.c> om/news/content/news/stories/2006/01/21/01212006CBS/UPN.html
>
>
> has this snippet:
>
> KLPN, operating as an independent, will be able to vary the
> evening showings. Court shows are airing on the week nights
> now.
>
> "It may change to Jerry Springer or Montel Williams,
> something like that, to add a little excitement. We also
> plan on doing some locally produced sports stuff," Balch
> said.
>
> "We have some talks with TJC (Tyler Junior College) about
> televising some of their games. We'll be the only
> independent station in the market that can air local sports
> games — basketball, football, whatever we can get our hands
> on."
>
>
>
> While the Telemundo/Univision idea is intriguing, as there
> are many hispanic viewers in the market, there is already a
> huge presence of Telemundo (thru KXTX/39 on cable as well as
> national feed on dish) and Univision (national feed on both
> cable and dish) there, and no one has ever tried to launch a
> local affil of either net there before. There would have to
> be some kind of localization involved to keep the license
> (pub affairs/talk show/news).
>
> The quote by the 48/58 PD sounds tentative to me. If he
> expects any amount of ET viewership of a TJC game, his
> signal is going to have to be stronger than
> across-the-street or up-the-road. Plus, eventually he'll
> have to give up (or change) the 58 frequency when the
> channel list top trims to 51.
>
> Would a station with a short tower and small radiated
> footprint (KCEB/54) really have the edge over a station who
> is now in Viacom/CBS' good graces (KYTX 18.2) regarding UPN?
>

I suspect that KLPN/KTPN have very little over-the-air viewership. I am only about 7 miles from the KLPN tower and get a very poor picture using a Channel Master 4228 at about 30 feet. I think that the most practical thing to do would be to put KLPN on as a digital subchannel of KFXK, once they get their full power signal up, and just let 48 and 58 go dark, or switch to a different affiliation.

As for KCEB, they do have a CP on file with the FCC to move to channel 38 and to the KFXK tower in Overton. If this really happens, this would give them better coverage in Tyler, and give them an edge over UPN18.

A few scenarios are possible:

1. KCEB becomes CW affiliate, UPN18 goes dark, KLPN moves to KFXK-DT 31.2. KLPN/KTPN go dark or become other affiliate, possible Univision, Telemundo, i (PAX), or pickup some type of Christian programming.

2. UPN18 becomes CW affiliate. KCEB takes over KLPN programming. KLPN/KTPN go dark or become other affiliates.

3. Not likely, but I would like to see KERA buy or lease 48 and 58 as PBS translators for Tyler and Longview.
 
Re: UPN21/WB33 Questions/Comments about Merger...

The CW plans to broadcast the same hours as The WB. The WB programs 4 hours/day Monday-Friday (3-5 p.m., 7-9 p.m.) so that's 20 hours right there. Then 5 hours on Saturday morning and 5 hours on Sunday evening (4-9 p.m., all times central). That's your 30. Still no network programming on Saturday night.

To answer an earlier question in this thread, Mavs and The Daily Buzz stay on 21, WB33 News at Nine continues, perhaps called CW33 News at Nine.

> This only affects network shows ... primetime (7-9p) and the
> kids' lineups. Syndication, sports and news stay where they
> are. UPN21 essentially goes back to what it was before it
> became a UPN affiliate ... an independent station that picks
> its own primetime lineup. Most likely, it'll be syndicated
> sitcoms. What is interesting is that The CW is supposedly
> offering 30 hours of network shows each week. Spread that
> out over seven days and it's a little over four hours per
> day. I doubt they'll expand primetime, because that would
> put local news on CW stations up against the Big 3 networks.
> So I'm thinking there must be a daytime component of some
> sort.
>
>
> > What TV Shows Stay, and What Goes on 33/21? Mavs on
> Channel
> > 33 next year? Any other interesting facts as Channel 21
> > goes Independent? What programming goes there to 21? Does
>
> > the News @ Nine stay on 33? Only time will tell...
> >
>
 
Lubbock's WB/UPN/CW Scenario

Ramar will probably put The CW on what is now The WB22, and UPN 14 will be left without an affiliate. It's funny since The WB22 signed on the air Jan 1 (2006), displacing UPN 22 to the lower powered UPN 14 known as UPN Lubbock.
 
Re: UPN21/WB33 Questions/Comments about Merger...

Upn 21 started out as an independent 25 years ago. It was also a network back up for NBC a few times. It will back CBS11 KTVT. UPN was just a sad network. The Star Trek Franchise is the only thing that had a respectable aaudience and income. The sitcoms were the pits, unfunny uncreative poorly acted and written. It ws only a matter of time, looking at its ratings. The bulk of the programs will be WB's Smallville, Gilmour Girls, Supernatural,Charmed. Its news may move to 10 p now though.
 
ONLY NETWORK PROGRAMMING EFFECTED

UGH!!! This is such a frustratingly uninformed comment:

> What TV Shows Stay, and What Goes on 33/21? Mavs on Channel
> 33 next year? Any other interesting facts as Channel 21
> goes Independent? What programming goes there to 21? Does
> the News @ Nine stay on 33? Only time will tell...
>

The Mavs are not on the network, neither is WB33 News at Nine.
Therefore: the Mavs will stay on 21 and news will stay on 33.
 
Re: UPN21/WB33 Questions/Comments about Merger...

> Upn 21 started out as an independent 25 years ago. It was
> also a network back up for NBC a few times. It will back
> CBS11 KTVT. UPN was just a sad network. The Star Trek
> Franchise is the only thing that had a respectable aaudience
> and income.

Smackdown is on UPN also ...has done well ..
 
Re: UPN21/WB33 Questions/Comments about Merger...

> Upn 21 started out as an independent 25 years ago. It was
> also a network back up for NBC a few times. It will back
> CBS11 KTVT. UPN was just a sad network. The Star Trek
> Franchise is the only thing that had a respectable aaudience
> and income.

Smackdown is on UPN also ...has done well ..
 
Re: UPN21/WB33 Questions/Comments about Merger...

> > Upn 21 started out as an independent 25 years ago. It was
> > also a network back up for NBC a few times. It will back
> > CBS11 KTVT. UPN was just a sad network. The Star Trek
> > Franchise is the only thing that had a respectable
> aaudience
> > and income.
>
> Smackdown is on UPN also ...has done well ..
>
True good point
 
> > This is going to setup an interesting fight in alot of
> major
> > markets...What will probably happen is the station with
> the
> > bigger...audience....will take over the programming...I
> > wonder who it'll be in the dallas market, seeing that
> > UPN(21) and WB(33) affiliates here are fighting for market
>
> > share. MY money is on 21, seeing its already owned by
> viacom
> > and have better facilities than WB33,which is in a pretty
> > run down part of town.
> >
> WB 33 will become the CW affiliate in Dallas. Affiliate
> agreements have already been signed with those stations
> currently owned by Tribune to carry The CW network. WB 33
> is owned by Tribune. What is now UPN 21 will be left
> without a network affiliation.
>

This was the message on the UPN21 website:

"We want to reassure our viewers that the recent announcement regarding the new CW network will have a minimal effect on KTXA TV. UPN Network programming represents 6% of our total programming on KTXA and does NOT include some of the best syndicated programs available, such as DR. PHIL, THE BERNIE MAC SHOW, THAT '70S SHOW, SOUTH PARK, and MY WIFE & KIDS -- all of which will remain on this station.

As for replacement programming for the 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. time slot, our goals for KTXA are to provide as much local news and informational programming as possible and to aggressively pursue the expansion of our sports presence in Dallas / Fort Worth, including additional game broadcasts, when available, from our number one sports franchise, the Dallas Mavericks."

Sounds to me like KTVT/KTXA is trying to downplay the facts that (1) KTXA will lose its network affiliation, and (2) KTVT is now also going to be aligned (at least in a business sense) with KDAF/33.

A question that I would have is, if KTVT produces a local newscast for KTXA (which appears likely), would they also help contribute to KDAF's newscast? Or would the Tribune stations simply go on as before?

Also, I'd speculate that shows like "Veronica Mars," "America's Top Model," and "Everybody Hates Chris" will probably migrate over to the CW. And, given the fact that "Veronica Mars" had a one-episode tryout on CBS a while back, I wouldn't be too surprised to see that show end up on CBS, in order to steal a little thunder from the CW (which will already have "Smallville" and "Supernatural"). What do you guys think? Would "Veronica Mars" pull enough numbers and be a good enough fit with "CSI," "Cold Case," and "Without A Trace?" And, conversely, which shows might possibly leave CBS for the CW?

And they gotta change that name. What about CBS2? Nope, NY and LA already use that. CBS II? ("eye-eye") But "The CW," in my humble opinion, sounds stupid. If nothing else, just continue to call it "The WB" since that's already familiar. Or even WBC (Warner Broadcasting Company), for that matter.

And for those of you who say that stands for the World Boxing Congress (and you'd be correct), remember that back in the '30s and '40s Nabisco (the National Biscuit Company) used the initials NBC (and still does on some of its products).

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> And they gotta change that name. "The CW,"
> in my humble opinion, sounds stupid.

That's just because you're not used to it. When launched 20 years ago "Fox" sounded pretty weird, because people were used to acronyms. UPN and The WB got much the same reaction. "The CW" doesn't bother me a bit...I wish them the best of luck.
 
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