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CW or My station purchases?

With Fox owning the MyNetwork, and CBS involved with CW, is there any new station buyouts that could follow shortly?

In Boston, Dallas, Detroit, Los Angeles, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Sacramento and San Francisco, CBS has 2 stations - a CBS station, and a CW or indy.

But in Minneapolis, they just own the CBS, but could purchase the CW affiliate from Sinclair, that's WUCW. Before it didn't make sense, as it was a WB station and CBS wanted no business in running a WB affiliate.

If Sinclair wanted even more cash, I suppose they could sell WNUV 54 to CBS as well, which would pair up WJZ (CBS affiliate owned by CBS) and WNUV(soon to be CW), although breaking it from WBFF. My later thought is Sinclair could be the conduit for getting Fox to sell WUTB (MyNetwork) to possibly them in exchange, as this is the only market where Fox owns a station but no ability for it to be the Fox station, and Fox operating the Fox affilate. It seems CBS wont buy stations from Fox, or vice-versa, possibly at the moment, but both will do business with Sinclair. Of course, Fox could sell WUTB to Scripps, or Hearst as well.

Tribune is looking to sell off some stations, particularly their non-core assets. NYC, LA and Chicago stations will be untouched, but there maybe find that selling WPMT 43 (Fox) in Harrisburg or some of the smaller or undeperforming stations they own makes sense. Gannett bought out WATL/Atlanta from Tribune, might WDCW 50 be next?

As of now, CBS ownership cap is 39% with UHF discount in place. Without the UHF discount (which will be obsoleted with the digital transition), they'll be at roughly 43%. If CBS, Fox and I'd assume Pax and Univision lobbying efforts prove successful, then ownership caps, will probably be increased again to 45%. But it doesn't make sense for CBS to own lot of independent CW stations, if they can find a buyer.

CBS has several lone CW stations, starting with Atlanta.
Possible scenarios:
CW Atlanta WUPA Sell to Meredith**
CW W.Palm Beach WTVX Sell to Freedom or Hearst
CW Norfolk WGNT Sell to Belo
CW New Orleans WUPL Sell to Belo or Hearst
CW Oklahoma City KAUT Sell to Hearst
CW Seattle KSTW Sell to Belo
CW Tampa WTOG Sell to Gannett, or Media General
CW Providence WLWC Sell to Freedom or LIN

The latter station groups are in the market, and owning a big 3 station there.

Maybe in case of Atlanta, it may work out if CBS were to buy out the CBS affiliate owned by Meredith instead, rather than Meredith buying out the CW affiliate from CBS. I wonder if talks are in place by the companies regarding Atlanta. There'd be money savings and ownership cap savings (assuming CBS sells), if the two were co-owned.

For Fox, there'd probably be some duopolies that would also benefit them.
Starting with Detroit, they could buy out WMYD from DS Audible (station sold from Granite). It would pair WJBK with WMYD. Tampa is another market, Fox would probably be fit to buy Sinclair's WTTA 38.

St. Louis has WRBU, and Memphis has WPXX - where Fox can buy these MyNetwork affiliate stations from their respective owners, to duopoly them with the Fox station.

I'd suppose if Sinclair wanted to divest some MyNetwork affiliates, they could do it to Fox, in markets Fox owns a station. These include Milwaukee, Birmingham, and Greensboro, NC.

This would assume Sinclair wants cash, and Fox has cash to spend, and such would break an existing Sinclair duopoly (of CW and My) and pair Fox with a better and stronger duopoly of Fox and My. Sinclair would remain with the CW station.

But, some of these could work in Sinclair's favor. They could sell some smaller MyNetwork stations to Fox, and buy out Fox affiliates from Tribune in possibly Harrisburg, Grand Rapids. Makes more sense owning more Fox affiliatess, than MyNetwork or CW affiliates, which will always be a distant #5 or #6, after the big 4, esp. going into the smaller markets.

I'd assume Tribune wants to keep Fox stations in Seattle, Sacramento and Indianapolis -which are top 25 markets, but Grand Rapids or Harrisburg could be let go. The standalone CW or My station in the small or underperforming markets would also be considered for divestiture - Tribune could sell KWBP(a standalone CW) in Portland to Emmis or Belo. Philly's WPHL is an underperforming station, but Tribune may find only NBC or Fox as potential buyers. I don't know if the Washington DC and Houston, TX standalone CW stations would be worth selling; on the other hand, KWGN 2 in Denver, WTTV 4 Indianapolis and other dominant VHF CW stations will likely be kept.

I think a duopoly would strengthen Fox's position in some markets. They wouldn't want to sell their VHF stations in the smaller markets (like Birmingham) to companies like Clear Channel, as Fox would fear losing dominant positions in those markets, so they'd likely need to use cash. Don't know if they are being conservative on considering station purchases at the time. It'll be hard for them to enter new markets because of the ownership caps, but duopolies would strengthen their positions in the mentioned places.
 
This seemed like yet another episode of Joseph Gallant Speculation Theatre.
 
In Boston FOX can buy WMFP Channel 62. It is owned by EW Scripps. When EW Scripps put Shop@Home up for sale they also announced they would sell the 5 Shop@Home O&O stations including Channel 62 in Boston. The $17 million sale of Shop@Home to Jewelry Televison did not include the 5 Shop@Home O&O Stations. I'm sure FOX would love to have a duopoly in Boston. FOX 25/MY 62. That sounds like a good idea to me.
 
MarcB said:
In Boston FOX can buy WMFP Channel 62. It is owned by EW Scripps. When EW Scripps put Shop@Home up for sale they also announced they would sell the 5 Shop@Home O&O stations including Channel 62 in Boston. The $17 million sale of Shop@Home to Jewelry Televison did not include the 5 Shop@Home O&O Stations. I'm sure FOX would love to have a duopoly in Boston. FOX 25/MY 62. That sounds like a good idea to me.

Fox would love to have a duopoly in Boston, but I suspect they'll unload some smaller market stations before they try to pull off a deal like this.
 
tested said:
MarcB said:
In Boston FOX can buy WMFP Channel 62. It is owned by EW Scripps. When EW Scripps put Shop@Home up for sale they also announced they would sell the 5 Shop@Home O&O stations including Channel 62 in Boston. The $17 million sale of Shop@Home to Jewelry Televison did not include the 5 Shop@Home O&O Stations. I'm sure FOX would love to have a duopoly in Boston. FOX 25/MY 62. That sounds like a good idea to me.

Fox would love to have a duopoly in Boston, but I suspect they'll unload some smaller market stations before they try to pull off a deal like this.

They don't legally or financially need to unload stations to pull a deal like this off. The ownership cap doesn't increase, as they are already in Boston. From a strategic view - they could unload WUTB 24 in Baltimore, as it's not co-owned with the Fox affiliate in Baltimore. Lastly, Fox won't sell off their smaller market stations, I assume you mean: Kansas City, Milwaukee, Salt Lake City, Birmingham, Memphis, Greensboro Austin stations, anyways, as they are VHF dominant stations in the market they serve. Selling it to a third party only opens the possibility of the station losing affiliation for another network. As for raising cash, or using a swap for cash:

Fox has cash, Remember, they purchased WPWR for $425 million in cash:
http://www.newscorp.com/news/news_171.html

They could probably purchase WFMP from Scripps for Boston, WTTA 38(My Network-fall 2006) from Sinclair for Tampa, WMYD 20 (My Network-fall 2006) from DS Audible for Detroit, all for under $100 million each, and reach more TV HH collectively than WPWR does.

"In those markets where we already operate two stations, we've started to see the benefits of our duopoly strategy in the form of increased profit margins, better-quality news and entertainment for viewers and improved offerings to advertisers."

The main problem in Boston is WZMY. They have the My branding already in place, which would put Fox in a predicament of buying and marketing a new My station.
 
I have had some email from the owner of WZMY in Derry, NH - she didn't say they would affiliate but she didn't totally reject it either, I think they are looking at things since it would get them a larger viewership given that My Network would be carrying some highly acclaimed Spanish originated soaps and given that many of the larger cities in the viewing area have high Hispanic viewers and now that I Television is going to be doing Warner Brothers stuff starting in August, it would be hard for an independent station to do it all by themselves. WZMY cut out their news broadcast, candlepin shows etc and probably due to lack of advertising/sponsors. All sponsors/advertisers are looking to see where is best to spend their money.
 
Re: CW or My station purchases? - PART ONE OF THREE

Hi everyone:

RCH66...Your post is SO DUMB & STOOPID, I'm splitting my response in three parts (The board won't take it whole). The breakdown will be as follows....

THIS POST:
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Beginning thru CBS analysis

NEXT POST:
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FOX analysis

NEXT POST AFTER THAT:
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Tribune analysis to end.

Enjoy....

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First off...Lemme preface this by saying that this DOES smell of Joseph Gallant Speculation Theatre...... :(

That said, here's why I think some of the following things either will or won't happen....

rch66 said:
With Fox owning the MyNetwork, and CBS involved with CW, is there any new station buyouts that could follow shortly?
In a word...NO. Here's why....
In Boston, Dallas, Detroit, Los Angeles, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Sacramento and San Francisco, CBS has 2 stations - a CBS station, and a CW or indy.
Your point is?
But in Minneapolis, they just own the CBS, but could purchase the CW affiliate from Sinclair, that's WUCW. Before it didn't make sense, as it was a WB station and CBS wanted no business in running a WB affiliate.
Why should they do this? Because they own WCCO 4 (CBS)? That's lame. CBS also owns KCNC 4 here in Denver, yet look who owns the CW affiliate - Tribune.
If Sinclair wanted even more cash, I suppose they could sell WNUV 54 to CBS as well, which would pair up WJZ (CBS affiliate owned by CBS) and WNUV(soon to be CW), although breaking it from WBFF.
If Sinclair wants or needs more $$$, they can sell it TO ANYBODY. It doesn't have to be to Fox or CBS.
My later thought is Sinclair could be the conduit for getting Fox to sell WUTB (MyNetwork) to possibly them in exchange, as this is the only market where Fox owns a station but no ability for it to be the Fox station, and Fox operating the Fox affilate.
HUH???? ???

Am I the only one left scratching my head over this one?
It seems CBS wont buy stations from Fox, or vice-versa, possibly at the moment,
Why should they do it at all?
but both will do business with Sinclair.
That doesn't matter.
Of course, Fox could sell WUTB to Scripps, or Hearst as well.
Why should they sell it AT ALL??

Besides, someone correct me please by all means feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here, but hasn't already FOX allocated WUTB to the MY Network? Selling all their non-FOX O&Os would be counter-productive and defeat the purpose of putting together a new network, dontcha think RCH66?
Tribune is looking to sell off some stations, particularly their non-core assets.
True, but Tribune can afford to do this because they aren't the ones trying to form a new network.
NYC, LA and Chicago stations will be untouched, but there maybe find that selling WPMT 43 (Fox) in Harrisburg or some of the smaller or undeperforming stations they own makes sense. Gannett bought out WATL/Atlanta from Tribune, might WDCW 50 be next?
Ohh....Puh-LEAZE. Spare us....
As of now, CBS ownership cap is 39% with UHF discount in place. Without the UHF discount (which will be obsoleted with the digital transition), they'll be at roughly 43%.
What's your point?
If CBS, Fox and I'd assume Pax and Univision lobbying efforts prove successful, then ownership caps, will probably be increased again to 45%.
So?
But it doesn't make sense for CBS to own lot of independent CW stations, if they can find a buyer.
They're not buying. THEY ARE AFFILIATING!!! FOX is doing the same thing for MY. Who told you that CBS was buying stations to become CW-O&Os? They've already got a core group of stations for that purpose. They don't need anymore.

In short....READ THE DAMN POSTS HERE BEFORE SHOOTING YOUR MOUTH OFF!!!!!
CBS has several lone CW stations, starting with Atlanta.
Possible scenarios:
Ohh....PUH-LEAZE....
CW Atlanta WUPA Sell to Meredith**
Why? So it can be a duopoly with CBS 46? Lame.
CW W.Palm Beach WTVX Sell to Freedom or Hearst
First off, they can't sell it because of its ties to WFOR in Miami. Secondly, why would they want to in the first place? Again...What's the incentive (Aside from pairing it with the local CBS affiliate there)?
CW Norfolk WGNT Sell to Belo
See WTVX.
CW New Orleans WUPL Sell to Belo or Hearst
First off, Hearst owns WDSU 6, the local NBC affiliate if I'm not mistaken. As such, I would think it'd be more logical to sell to Tribune, who owns the local ABC affiliate. CBS won't sell to Belo because last time I heard, CBS was suing Belo.

But what's even more logical is hanging on to it (Particularly if the price Belo may have to pay as a result of the court case is giving up WWL 4).
CW Oklahoma City KAUT Sell to Hearst
Now this one I can see. But even that is because Oklahoma City isn't a Top 40 market. But why sell to the competition of KWTV 9, the local CBS affiliate when they can just sell it directly to Griffith Broadcasting (owners of KWTV) themselves?

Again, that is if we follow your so-called "logic"....
CW Seattle KSTW Sell to Belo
WHY??? Here's why I think I think that will NEVER happen....

1). They are in a legal battle with Belo over WWL

2). Belo already owns KING 5, the local NBC affiliate. Would look kinda foolish selling out to someone affiliated with the competition, dontcha think?

3). They've virtually got first dibs on KIRO 7 should Bonneville ever decide to give it up.

4). Neither Belo NOR Bonneville want to have to go through the hassle of having to justify having a VHF-VHF duopoly (Especially when you consider that Belo already owns KONG 6/16 on top of that).

So given all this....WHAT is your rationale as to why CBS should give up KSTW 11 again?
CW Tampa WTOG Sell to Gannett, or Media General
One word - WHY? Is there some logic behind this?
CW Providence WLWC Sell to Freedom or LIN
ARE YOU CRAZY????

This merely complements the WBZ 4/WSBK 38 duopoly they already have (And enjoy I might add!) in nearby Boston, MA.
The latter station groups are in the market, and owning a big 3 station there.
Yes. And like I said before, they virtually have first dibs on KIRO 7 and keeping WLWC (And maybe flipping the calls to WLCW?) in Providence merely compliments the duopoly they enjoy in Boston.
Maybe in case of Atlanta, it may work out if CBS were to buy out the CBS affiliate owned by Meredith instead, rather than Meredith buying out the CW affiliate from CBS.
Umm...Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but I do believe one of the reasons why CBS sold its station there (the calls escape me at the moment) to Meredith in the first place was because it was under-performing compared to the rest of the O&Os and Meredith wanted it. Is there some reason to think this has somehow changed or is this just your illogical, self-serving way of saying that you'd like to see CBS back in town as a station owner?
I wonder if talks are in place by the companies regarding Atlanta.
For the above reason I just outlined - NO.
There'd be money savings and ownership cap savings (assuming CBS sells), if the two were co-owned.
Not really (Except in your little fantasy world of yours perhaps).

TO BE CONTINUED...
 
Re: CW or My station purchases? PART TWO OF THREE

...Continuing From Previous Post.

rch66 said:
For Fox, there'd probably be some duopolies that would also benefit them.
There already are (As indicated below).
Starting with Detroit, they could buy out WMYD from DS Audible (station sold from Granite). It would pair WJBK with WMYD.
Given Granite's situation, I'm sure they're in talks.
Tampa is another market, Fox would probably be fit to buy Sinclair's WTTA 38.
Again....WHY BUY??? Just to satisfy YOUR self-serving interests?
St. Louis has WRBU, and Memphis has WPXX - where Fox can buy these MyNetwork affiliate stations from their respective owners, to duopoly them with the Fox station.
See WTTA.
I'd suppose if Sinclair wanted to divest some MyNetwork affiliates, they could do it to Fox, in markets Fox owns a station. These include Milwaukee, Birmingham, and Greensboro, NC.
WHY would Sinclair affiliate these stations with MY, only to turn right around and sell them to FOX?? Doesn't make sense to me (Then again, nothing in your post has).
This would assume Sinclair wants cash, and Fox has cash to spend,
Ohh...Fox HAS the $$$ to $pend. So does CBS. But it doesn't neccessarily mean that either of them will actually spend it.
But, some of these could work in Sinclair's favor. They could sell some smaller MyNetwork stations to Fox, and buy out Fox affiliates from Tribune in possibly Harrisburg, Grand Rapids.
Why would they want to do this? You obviously don't get it, do you?
Makes more sense owning more Fox affiliatess, than MyNetwork or CW affiliates, which will always be a distant #5 or #6, after the big 4, esp. going into the smaller markets.
Heh...That's funny. People were saying the same damn thing about those who owned more FOX affiliates back in the day when no one knew who Bart Simpson was. Remember THOSE days???

TO BE CONTINUED....
 
Re: CW or My station purchases? PART THREE OF THREE

...Continued From Previous Post.

rch66 said:
I'd assume Tribune wants to keep Fox stations in Seattle, Sacramento and Indianapolis -which are top 25 markets,
*DOH!*
but Grand Rapids or Harrisburg could be let go.
You and your twisted little fantasy world are ASSuMING that Tribune is even interested in selling.
The standalone CW or My station in the small or underperforming markets would also be considered for divestiture
Ohh...PUH-LEAZE. Here we go again...
Tribune could sell KWBP(a standalone CW) in Portland to Emmis or Belo.
Emmis I believe wants to get out of TV and is trying to sell off what they already have (I stand corected if this isn't the case BTW). If so, why would they want to buy a new one? Doesn't make sense (Or $sen$e for that matter!).
Philly's WPHL is an underperforming station, but Tribune may find only NBC or Fox as potential buyers.
They won't sell. Drop the crack pipe.
I don't know if the Washington DC and Houston, TX standalone CW stations would be worth selling; on the other hand, KWGN 2 in Denver, WTTV 4 Indianapolis and other dominant VHF CW stations will likely be kept.
This is THE most sensible thing you have said in your entire post.
I think a duopoly would strengthen Fox's position in some markets. They wouldn't want to sell their VHF stations in the smaller markets (like Birmingham) to companies like Clear Channel, as Fox would fear losing dominant positions in those markets, so they'd likely need to use cash. Don't know if they are being conservative on considering station purchases at the time. It'll be hard for them to enter new markets because of the ownership caps, but duopolies would strengthen their positions in the mentioned places.
Again....Assuming they follow the so-called "logic" that makes up your twisted little fantasy world.

Nothing personal. But what you said above, with the lone exception of the comment before your last one, makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE (OR $EN$E FOR THAT MATTER) AT ALL!!!

Time for me to take my medicine (Better known as my chill pill) now.

Cheers :)

Pat
 
Re: CW or My station purchases? PART THREE OF THREE

Pat Cook said:
Nothing personal. But what you said above, with the lone exception of the comment before your last one, makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE (OR $EN$E FOR THAT MATTER) AT ALL!!!

Dang, Pat! I'd hate to see how the post would have read if you truly disliked the guy!!! ;D

Cheers - OR ELSE!
 
Re: CW or My station purchases? - PART ONE OF THREE

They've virtually got first dibs on KIRO 7 should Bonneville ever decide to give it up
Cox owns KIRO not Booneville

Umm...Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but I do believe one of the reasons why CBS sold its station there (the calls escape me at the moment) to Meredith in the first place was because it was under-performing compared to the rest of the O&Os and Meredith wanted it. Is there some reason to think this has somehow changed or is this just your illogical, self-serving way of saying that you'd like to see CBS back in town as a station owner?
CBS has not sold a station in Atlanta, they bought current UPN and future CW affiliate WUPA 69 with initial plans to make it the new CBS affiliate when WAGA 5 announced it was going FOX. Meredith bought WGCL 46 from Tribune because CBS never owned 46. Tribune made a deal that lead them to eventually own WATL 36 (the origional FOX then WB and future MY affiliate). Tribune was able to convince CBS that is was better for them to affilate with 46 which had a news department than to use 69 which did not do news. Two other high-end VHF's that CBS bought in Milwaukee and Detroit that were made replacement CBS stations in the big fox deal of the mid-90s they have no real news department in Detroit at this time yet the CBS replacement in Atlanta does have local news.
 
It could be just a coincidence but WZMY Channel 50 Derry NH has just posted Breaking News that the last show of MY TV prime which aired from 8 pm to 9:30 pm weekdays will be Friday, June 30, 2006 - it also would appear that they would be making way to become the affiliate for My Network TV since the prime time slot is 8 pm to 10 pm. Time will tell.
 
Whoever said CBS should sell CW28 WLWC in Providence to LIN-TV is nuts. It can't be done LIN-TV owns or operates 2 stations in Providence already. WPRI/12 CBS and WNAC/64 FOX. Under current FCC regs you can not own more than 2 stations in one market*.

Unless your name is Univision. Univision, using two different names on it's licenses own 3 stations in the New York City Market.

WXTV/41 Univision (Paterson, NJ) - WXTV License Partnership
WFTY/67 Telefutura (Smithtown, Long Island) Univision New York LLC.
WFUT/68 Telefutura (Newark, NJ) Univision New York LLC
 
Hi everyone:
MarcB said:
Whoever said CBS should sell CW28 WLWC in Providence to LIN-TV is nuts. It can't be done LIN-TV owns or operates 2 stations in Providence already. WPRI/12 CBS and WNAC/64 FOX. Under current FCC regs you can not own more than 2 stations in one market*.
You can IF the third station as well.
MarcB said:
Unless your name is Univision. Univision, using two different names on it's licenses own 3 stations in the New York City Market.
Not true. A single UHF outlet, regardless of network affiliation (Or lack thereof) only count as half of what a single VHF outlet would.

Hence, conceivably, LIN could own WPRI 12 (CBS), WLWC 28 (WB, soon to be CW), and WNAC 64 (FOX) and do so legally.

Don't believe me? Look it up...

Cheers :D

Pat
 
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