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Dallas HD radio thoughts...

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TironeShoes

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All the FM's sound good...BUT...it's really hard to follow talk programming on KLLI when they refuse to delay the audio to meet the IBOC codec! It's also weird to hear the last 9 seconds of a song over again on Jack. Hmmm must be an Infinity thing. I would like to hear KERA in HD to help all the multipath issues.

Now the AM band...Wow 1160, pops...it sounds amazing, as does Radio Disney in HD. Those 2 really surprised me. KRLD sounds horrible...like a 3k 1995 internet stream, BAD! Why would they screw with the analog sound to go HD just to have it sound like ass? I also don't hear them in HD after 2 in the afternoons. Why is it dayparted...for baseball?<P ID="signature">______________
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> All the FM's sound good...BUT...it's really hard to follow
> talk programming on KLLI when they refuse to delay the audio
> to meet the IBOC codec! It's also weird to hear the last 9
> seconds of a song over again on Jack. Hmmm must be an
> Infinity thing. I would like to hear KERA in HD to help all
> the multipath issues.
>
> Now the AM band...Wow 1160, pops...it sounds amazing, as
> does Radio Disney in HD. Those 2 really surprised me. KRLD
> sounds horrible...like a 3k 1995 internet stream, BAD! Why
> would they screw with the analog sound to go HD just to have
> it sound like ass? I also don't hear them in HD after 2 in
> the afternoons. Why is it dayparted...for baseball?

The engineer who supposively did all the Infinity HD installs is no longer with them.....hhhmmmm, draw your own conclusion..
 
KMKI is not in HD the last few days, they are back to broadband and sounding really good (now if they will just turn the C-Quam back on, it really will be "your music, your way" again). But I'll take the relatively broadband analog over self-jamming IBOC hiss with chopped off analog any day.

Perhaps KMKI is finally thinking about who their target audience REALLY is - and those kids aren't gonna buy trendy $250 radios to hear the station.

When KMKI was in HD - were they in stereo, or just mono? The last time I talked to someone over there, it was just mono.

As for KRLD and other news / talk / sports stations using IBOC - why bother? 3 kHz speech is 3 kHz speech. What a waste of bandwidth. Chop'em off at 5 kHz and nobody will notice or care.
 
Oh Please, Chris... get a life already.

The engineer who is "no longer with them" left for a better job. One of the main reasons Infinity hasn't put their delay on their analog stations is because they haven't gotten their traffic (freeway-monitoring-people, not log people) folks any way to listen to the signal off-air. Used to, they could listen real time - and when the jock threw it to them, they could start talking. If they go to a delay, you'll hear 8 seconds of dead air before they start talking.

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> The engineer who is "no longer with them" left for a better
> job. One of the main reasons Infinity hasn't put their
> delay on their analog stations is because they haven't
> gotten their traffic (freeway-monitoring-people, not log
> people) folks any way to listen to the signal off-air. Used
> to, they could listen real time - and when the jock threw it
> to them, they could start talking. If they go to a delay,
> you'll hear 8 seconds of dead air before they start talking.

That’s an easy fix… Most digital Codecs alow for a mix-minus from the studio. Or just use a simple two-way radio for monitoring. Think walkie-talkie.
 
Fix the audio

Yeah, but when is KLUV going to fix that lousy audio?

And KRLD, flat, muddy, IBOC or not ... lifeless.

Tin ears at Infinity ... forever ... :)



> The engineer who is "no longer with them" left for a
> better
> > job. One of the main reasons Infinity hasn't put their
> > delay on their analog stations is because they haven't
> > gotten their traffic (freeway-monitoring-people, not log
> > people) folks any way to listen to the signal off-air.
> Used
> > to, they could listen real time - and when the jock threw
> it
> > to them, they could start talking. If they go to a delay,
>
> > you'll hear 8 seconds of dead air before they start
> talking.
>
> That’s an easy fix… Most digital Codecs alow for a
> mix-minus from the studio. Or just use a simple two-way
> radio for monitoring. Think walkie-talkie.
>
 
Re: Fix the audio

> Yeah, but when is KLUV going to fix that lousy audio?
>
> And KRLD, flat, muddy, IBOC or not ... lifeless.
>
> Tin ears at Infinity ... forever ... :)
Agreed the sound on KLUV is flatter than the Texas Panhandle. I tuned in on several radios,and home receivers and it is terrible.
 
Re: Fix the audio

And all this time it seemed like I was the only one who thought they sounded awful. Tell me what you are hearing specifically that sounds bad. To me, it's just "dull sounding"...no highs, no lows...just medium fi. Oh, I forgot, Erik heads up engineering for that station too. Guess he trys to make his FM's sound like his AM! Minimilistic indeed. When will Glynn wake up and realize what a boob they have in Dallas? Fred Flintsone at the helm...HA!


> > Yeah, but when is KLUV going to fix that lousy audio?
> >
> > And KRLD, flat, muddy, IBOC or not ... lifeless.
> >
> > Tin ears at Infinity ... forever ... :)
> Agreed the sound on KLUV is flatter than the Texas
> Panhandle. I tuned in on several radios,and home receivers
> and it is terrible.
>
 
> > The engineer who is "no longer with them" left for a
> better
> > job. One of the main reasons Infinity hasn't put their
> > delay on their analog stations is because they haven't
> > gotten their traffic (freeway-monitoring-people, not log
> > people) folks any way to listen to the signal off-air.
> Used
> > to, they could listen real time - and when the jock threw
> it
> > to them, they could start talking. If they go to a delay,
>
> > you'll hear 8 seconds of dead air before they start
> talking.
>
> That’s an easy fix… Most digital Codecs alow for a
> mix-minus from the studio. Or just use a simple two-way
> radio for monitoring. Think walkie-talkie.
>

Using the 67kc analog SCA for their remote talent undelayed would be a proper way to get around the delay problem if they have no other IFB capabilities via their remote equipment they are using for them. I personally thing they REALLY screwed up when they put the delay in the encoder end anyway. The delay should be at the decoder/receiver end to prevent talent issues and play-by-play sports problems. Oh well. Leave it to the US to select the goofiest, fee-required system they could find for digital.

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> Using the 67kc analog SCA for their remote talent undelayed
> would be a proper way to get around the delay problem if
> they have no other IFB capabilities via their remote
> equipment they are using for them. I personally thing they
> REALLY screwed up when they put the delay in the encoder end
> anyway. The delay should be at the decoder/receiver end to
> prevent talent issues and play-by-play sports problems. Oh

Anytime you convert audio from analog to a digital format that is compressed,
there IS delay...period....Even modern audio processors have delay in them...
so do modern digital exciters.....some not too bad, others enough to drive talent crazy if listening off the air direct on headphones...IBOC design requires delay at the xmtr end anyway...no way to get around it unless you can run total digital and use a less lossy compression scheme on the channel (even then, there will be SOME delay...100ms to as much as 3secs or more depending on the scheme....with the current hybrid design of IBOC, 7-8 secs is the norm...and cannot be done at the rcvr (actually there IS delay there anyway...some buffering because of Error Correcting). To allow seamless switching, the ANALOG audio has to be delayed the same amount...and could not be done only at the rcvr..

You are correct in the use of the SCA for non delayed audio...some stations have done that in the past...others use their 450 RPU channels for backfeed of non delayed audio.....but ANY remote with on air audio used in the local spkrs will cause MAJOR confusion with the audience...the talent will quit talking and set the mic down 8 secs before that happens on the air.

> well. Leave it to the US to select the goofiest,
> fee-required system they could find for digital.

Yep....and AM is worse.....cant run it at night.....the new nickname for IBOC is IBUZ. I think thats more appropriate...
JUST because its digital, doesnt make it better.....with the sampling rates that they are using, the audio quality is not any better and in some cases could be worse than analog!
 
> > > The engineer who is "no longer with them" left for a
> > better
> > > job. One of the main reasons Infinity hasn't put their
> > > delay on their analog stations is because they haven't
> > > gotten their traffic (freeway-monitoring-people, not log
>
> > > people) folks any way to listen to the signal off-air.
> > Used
> > > to, they could listen real time - and when the jock
> threw
> > it
> > > to them, they could start talking. If they go to a
> delay,
> >
> > > you'll hear 8 seconds of dead air before they start
> > talking.
> >
> > That’s an easy fix… Most digital Codecs alow for a
> > mix-minus from the studio. Or just use a simple two-way
> > radio for monitoring. Think walkie-talkie.
> >
>
> Using the 67kc analog SCA for their remote talent undelayed
> would be a proper way to get around the delay problem if
> they have no other IFB capabilities via their remote
> equipment they are using for them. I personally thing they
> REALLY screwed up when they put the delay in the encoder end
> anyway. The delay should be at the decoder/receiver end to
> prevent talent issues and play-by-play sports problems. Oh
> well. Leave it to the US to select the goofiest,
> fee-required system they could find for digital.


Is a United Nations translator available please :).

How in the hell do they trust the crazy listeners they put on the air on 105.3?

Or do they put any on the air?

Or do they even care?

As you can tell, obviously, I am an avid listener.
 
Drive north and listen to 92.1 KXEZ -- for the audio

> And all this time it seemed like I was the only one who
> thought they sounded awful. Tell me what you are hearing
> specifically that sounds bad. To me, it's just "dull
> sounding"...no highs, no lows...just medium


Drive north on 75 Central as far as you can -- at least to Allen or McKinney. south Plano and Richardson is not far enough.

Listen to the tiny 92 point one .. oldies KXEZ.

NOT KTFW which is in Glen Rose-Fort Worth which is on the same frequency.

KXEZ only covers the north suburbs with a clear signal. It's not loud on the band.

But EXCELLENT audio. Not overly compressed -- clear, clean -- and punch to it like a good left jab on a boxer.

Some engineers are technical geniuses. Some have ears for audio. KXEZ has two that know their stuff.

One problem is that at some stations, the jocks can change the settings, but then again some engineers are deaf ... or close.

Last time I heard KLIF 570, it sounded great for AM -- bright as opposed to KRLD.

KRLD is the worst on the AM band among the major stations, but I will listen more closely today.

KLUV is not the worst to be sure, but it could be soooo much better.


> > > Yeah, but when is KLUV going to fix that lousy audio?
> > >
> > > And KRLD, flat, muddy, IBOC or not ... lifeless.
> > >
> > > Tin ears at Infinity ... forever ... :)
> > Agreed the sound on KLUV is flatter than the Texas
> > Panhandle. I tuned in on several radios,and home receivers
>
> > and it is terrible.
> >
>
 
Re: Drive north and listen to 92.1 KXEZ -- for the audio

> Listen to the tiny 92 point one .. oldies KXEZ.
>
> NOT KTFW which is in Glen Rose-Fort Worth which is on the
> same frequency.
>
> KXEZ only covers the north suburbs with a clear signal. It's
> not loud on the band.
>
> But EXCELLENT audio. Not overly compressed -- clear, clean
> -- and punch to it like a good left jab on a boxer.
>
> Some engineers are technical geniuses. Some have ears for
> audio. KXEZ has two that know their stuff.
>
> One problem is that at some stations, the jocks can change
> the settings, but then again some engineers are deaf ... or
> close.
>
> Last time I heard KLIF 570, it sounded great for AM --
> bright as opposed to KRLD.
>
> KRLD is the worst on the AM band among the major stations,
> but I will listen more closely today.
>
> KLUV is not the worst to be sure, but it could be soooo much
> better.
>
KXEZ has better oldies,but a lousy morning host,Ted DaBear. He is very bland,laughs at his own jokes and his adlibbing abilities would make Marcel Marceau scream. Tony Williams though is good, and very lively :)
 
Ted "The Bear" Richards, CKLW Detroit

> > Listen to the tiny 92 point one .. oldies KXEZ.
> >
> > NOT KTFW which is in Glen Rose-Fort Worth which is on the
> > same frequency.
> >
> > KXEZ only covers the north suburbs with a clear signal.
> It's
> > not loud on the band.
> >
> > But EXCELLENT audio. Not overly compressed -- clear,
> clean
> > -- and punch to it like a good left jab on a boxer.
> >
> > Some engineers are technical geniuses. Some have ears for
>
> > audio. KXEZ has two that know their stuff.
> >
> > One problem is that at some stations, the jocks can change
>
> > the settings, but then again some engineers are deaf ...
> or
> > close.
> >
> > Last time I heard KLIF 570, it sounded great for AM --
> > bright as opposed to KRLD.
> >
> > KRLD is the worst on the AM band among the major stations,
>
> > but I will listen more closely today.
> >
> > KLUV is not the worst to be sure, but it could be soooo
> much
> > better.


>> KXEZ has better oldies,but a lousy morning host,Ted DaBear.



"Better oldies" is subjective.

Has to do with your musical taste, age or both.

But how 'bout the audio?

In fairness to Ted "The Bear" Richards, he was very ill for a LONG time, was sapped of energy and voice tracked much of his show.

Now, most of it is live again. Ted "The Bear" is regaining his rare form just in the last couple of weeks really. Some great stuff last week.

Hey, give him ONE more try ... for an hour.

If you still don't like, spin the Wheel of Radio Fortune with my blessing.

Ted "The Bear" also know as "Teddy Bear" for years was the night jock at CKLW, Detroit and heard all over the Midwest.

A legend. A perfectionist.

Just listen to his early airchecks on CKLW and tell me the guy did not have talent regardless of what you may think of his style and presentation these days.

Go to www.reelradio.com,

then type "Richards" in the "Find It" space ...

Several airchecks of Ted "The Bear" aka Ted "The Bear" Richards, aka Ted Richards, aka Teddy Bear will appear.

For a short sample, click on Ted "The Bear" Richards, CKLW March 1974.

Tightly scoped ... about two minutes in length. The guy cooks -- and it's a natural gas ... man!
 
Posting is COMPLEX ... no, no, not KPLEXCOMPLEX!

> KXEZ has better oldies,but a lousy morning host,Ted DaBear.
> He is very bland,laughs at his own jokes and his adlibbing
> abilities would make Marcel Marceau scream. Tony Williams
> though is good, and very lively :)


Posting on this board is COMPLEX for me, and I DON'T mean KPlx KPLEX ... or heck, you know what I mean.

Anyway, see my other comments ... wherever the hell they are or might be.

Fortunately, Ted "The Bear" has regained his health ... listen to him now.

Tony Boy has been given a sedative now ... involuntarily ... but fortunately.
 
Re: Posting is COMPLEX ... no, no, not KPLEXCOMPLEX!

> > KXEZ has better oldies,but a lousy morning host,Ted
> DaBear.
> > He is very bland,laughs at his own jokes and his adlibbing
>
> > abilities would make Marcel Marceau scream. Tony Williams
> > though is good, and very lively :)
>
>
> Posting on this board is COMPLEX for me, and I DON'T mean
> KPlx KPLEX ... or heck, you know what I mean.
>
> Anyway, see my other comments ... wherever the hell they are
> or might be.
>
> Fortunately, Ted "The Bear" has regained his health ...
> listen to him now.
>
> Tony Boy has been given a sedative now ... involuntarily ...
> but fortunately.
>
Tony Boy has stepped up and is doing a great job.It is a good fit.:)!
 
Re: Posting is COMPLEX ... no, no, not KPLEXCOMPLEX!

> > > KXEZ has better oldies,but a lousy morning host,Ted
> > DaBear.
> > > He is very bland,laughs at his own jokes and his
> adlibbing
> >
> > > abilities would make Marcel Marceau scream. Tony
> Williams
> > > though is good, and very lively :)
> >
> >
> > Posting on this board is COMPLEX for me, and I DON'T mean
> > KPlx KPLEX ... or heck, you know what I mean.
> >
> > Anyway, see my other comments ... wherever the hell they
> are
> > or might be.
> >
> > Fortunately, Ted "The Bear" has regained his health ...
> > listen to him now.
> >
> > Tony Boy has been given a sedative now ... involuntarily
> ...
> > but fortunately.
> >
> Tony Boy has stepped up and is doing a great job.It is a
> good fit.:)!


You don't use hearing aids by chance, do you? :)
 
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